At a Christmas party on Saturday night, the conversation turned to hot water radiators. My husband, who is mechanically inclined, explained to a woman, who was trying to save money by conserving heat, how to bleed the air out of an old-style hot water heating system.
Eventually, the conversation revealed why the woman was trying to save money. She’d purchased an old farmhouse for her business. She secured a $150,000 construction loan to renovate the house and retained a contractor. The contractor insisted on installing the thermostat for the hot water heating system on a wall directly across from a wood burning stove. (For those of you who are not mechanically inclined, this is a really dumb idea.) The contractor also told the woman that she couldn’t insulate the farmhouse because moisture would create a mold problem. (This is true, but it is a problem that is readily solved, and insulating the house is a really good idea.)
Further conversation revealed that the contractor, who was president of some kind of historical building society, had not completed $70,000 worth of work for which he had been paid. The bank repeatedly came to inspect the job, bought the guy’s stories about why the work wasn’t done, and released the next installment of money. The farmhouse owner, of course, signed off on all the payments.
At one point a bank representative asked the farmhouse owner, “Are you sure about this guy?”
“Oh, he’s fine,” she replied. “He’s the president of the historical building society.”
The contractor hasn’t paid the subcontractors, and they’re demanding their money from the farmhouse owner. She hired a lawyer, who went along with a plan suggested by the contractor’s lawyer, which was useless. So now the woman is trying to save her home and her business. Plus, she’s cold.
“Sounds like you’re dealing with a sociopath,” I said.
I don’t know if this woman has any good options. We suggested that she sue the bank, because the bank released the money. But she approved payments, so that may not work. She can’t afford another lawyer. As has happened to many of us who have dealt with sociopaths, she may be stuck holding the bag.
Fort Dix Five
This woman may suffer terrible financial losses. But others involved with sociopaths lose much more.
A few weeks ago, in The con man, the thug and the jihadists, I wrote about the five young Muslim men who were on trial for plotting a terrorist attack against U.S. soldiers at Fort Dix, New Jersey. Most of the prosecution’s case was based on conversations secretly recorded by an informant, an illegal immigrant from Egypt, who was paid $240,000 by the FBI.
I predicted that the jury would see that the informant was a con man who manipulated the young men. I predicted that the defendants would walk. I was wrong.
The five young Muslims were convicted of conspiring to kill military personnel. They were acquitted of the more serious charge of attempted murder because they didn’t actually do anything. Still, they all face life in prison.
Yes, they did go to a shooting range in the Pocono Mountains of Pennsylvania, shot at targets and shouted “Allahu Akbar,” or “God is great.” They videotaped themselves doing this and brought the tape to a Circuit City store to be converted to DVD. One of them also downloaded violent jihadist videos from the Internet.
But would they have actually have gone any further? Would they have even discussed plans, which were nothing more than vague, wild ideas, if they hadn’t been goaded on by the sociopath, who was being paid to keep them talking?
I know how convincing sociopaths can be, so I don’t think they would have done anything without his encouragement. But I wasn’t on the jury, and the people who were apparently don’t understand sociopaths. So the young Muslims were left holding the bag. They may spend the rest of their lives in prison.
For his efforts, the con man informant, who was twice convicted of bank fraud, was promised legal residency in the United States, courtesy of our Justice Department.
Education is key
The consequences of entanglements with sociopaths are always negative, ranging in scale from unpleasant to deadly.
That’s why Lovefraud’s mission is to educate people about sociopaths. Right now, most people find Lovefraud because they’re already entangled with a sociopath and facing the consequences. We’ll soon announce a new initiative to help people cope with what has happened to them.
But eventually we hope to have programs to educate people about this personality disorder and the red flags of sociopathic behavior. Our goal is to help people escape the terrible consequences by avoiding the predators in the first place.
OxDrover:
“..but while I would love to meet a bunch of you FACE TO FACE, I also realize that ONE person from LF that I DID meet turned out to be what I think is a PSYCHOPATH.”
Yikes! I am with you on this one, OxDrover.
The one person from LF I tried to help OFFLINE ended up clobbering me.
I don’t want to be clobbered anymore.
Well, OX,
That would just make a mess of the whole thing. Reminds me of an old Jerry Jeff Walker song- “Drinks before dinner, drinks with dinner and after dinner drnks, darling I don’t know who I insulted last night, but I hope it wasn’t you…..”
I’m done. It was a fun idea while it lasted. Yeah. It sounds like one of those fun ideas that crashes when you put the time, money and ownership test to it.
What you wrote gave me the instant feeling that an idea to do it or any forward momentum might be seen as something which trespasses on Donna which I by NO MEANS intended to do.
I did ask Donna and Dr. Leedom about the possibility of a site for teens and it seems like something that might be pursued down the road but not immediately, there are books forthcoming and other projects on the plate etc.
Just looking at the situation from where I sit, I’m going to invest in myself and my son and if the resources to do so were within this community, it would be awesome- I’d be happy to make the investment here. If they aren’t, no harm no foul. No determent.
But, what this community is, is awesome without that too.
If LF ever does put one together, I’d be very interested in an invitation. If I had a cance to meet you there, it would be a loving and profound pleasure to do so.
All is well.
Well, I will extend a personal invitation for anyone who ever wants to come to Denver. If money is an issue, I can comfortably sleep two people here, though it’s a small place. Another option is camping in NE Colorado in the summer. It costs next to nothing except a vehicle that could get us all there. I can research inexpensive hotels in town if anyone ever has the interest.
I’m curious about the person from LF that was a sociopath. That certainly is disturbing, but in general I feel trusting of the people here I’ve come to know. Besides, I don’t really have anything worth stealing.
Dear Star,
Anyone can be anything they want to “present” over the internet and some people are very good at it and iin presenting themselves as a VICTIM who needs help, when in fact, they were an abuser and just happened to end up in a pickle…like many psychopaths do. It is difficult to pick out the real innocent victim when both of the pair are saying “THEY Victimized me”
So if you look at the PITY PLAY many psychopaths play about how they were abused by their x wife/gf or parents when they were a child and all they need is someone to give them a chance, and so on.
There are people all over the internet who can pretend to be anything, including a victim, when in fact, they are anything but, and are just looking for someone to con into taking care of them, or giving them money etc. The person I met was also assessed by a professional as a psychopath, so this is not just my “opinion” of them. Fortunately, they did not con me either emotionally or financially–in fact, I am rather proud of the fact that My “P-DAR” is working fairly well.
And, while I too know that there are some great people here, I have no doubt that there are some people who pass by these pages who “talk a great game” but do not walk the WALK that they talk.
Just like there are “dry drunks” (psychopaths) in AA who really can give you a great AA pep talk but are not to be trusted at all.
I’m here at LF because I continue to learn every day here, and I hope that I give back as much as I get, because I think that it is important that we do that in life, but at the same time, I am CAUTIOUS of anyone I meet anywhere until I get to know them “in the flesh” and they EARN my trust.
When I find that a person has lied to me, misled me, or in any way “fed me a line” then They will never be allowed to get any closer. That’s why I don’t “internet date.”
Star,
When I come out this summer, I will look you up. I have friends in Denver that I stay in touch with – love the Front Range, Poudre Canyon and Manitou Springs! Another favorite is to stroll through Garden of the Gods. that place is so AWESOME just after a rain when you can smell the sage!
The whole thing about “trolls” is unerving. Its come up a few times. But, there isn’t much to be done about them I guess. I’m not so practiced I can tell.
It serves as a reminder that trust must be earned. No?
I was under the impression that when sociopaths show up here they usually get sniffed out pretty quickly and eliminated. I don’t think I would offer my hospitality to any stranger from a website, but the majority of people I’ve gotten to “know” I feel comfortable enough with to visit with them. I don’t approach people here with any kind of mistrust until they give me reason to. I don’t know if that’s a good thing or a bad thing, but in 49 years and the many relationships I’ve had, only one was a true sociopath. So based on my own personal experiences, I feel the odds are more in favor of me meeting decent people here.
Silvermoon,
One of my favorite dates is lunch at Le Creperie in downtown Colorado Springs and a hike in Garden of the Gods afterward. Colorado is just gorgeous in the spring.
Well, I think it’s a lovely idea. $$$$ for me is always an issue.
I think anyone who wanted to attend would be wise to have reservsations well in place…..Maybe it’s too soon for LF, but, it’s not unthinkable, at some point it could happen….
We could make it happen.
Dear Star,
If you talked to my egg donor or my P-son, or the Trojan Horse psychopath, you know they would all agree that I am a HORRIBLE PERSON, and that I had victimized them something awful. Since all of them are literate and can write well, you would probably think (if the only contact you had with them) was blogging with them about how I had victimzed them, that I was TERRIBLE and they were innocent victims.
However, if you started hanging with them before too long, you might start to see some signs that maybe they were lying, or they would sort of get their “stories” mixed up a bit, and contradict themselves some, etc.
You cannot look at a person (Charllie Manson excepted LOL) and tell by looking whether or not they are a psychopath.
Heck, Ann sat by Ted Bundy for a long time and hung out with him off and on for years before she figured out that he was LYING about killing those girls. Heck he had been in prison for quite some time before she figured it out.
The wife of the BTK killer didn’t know he was a psychopath, and lots of other people who have lived with them, worked with them, been their friends, etc. Unfortunately not everyoone who is a psychopath is “branded on the forehead” with a big letter “P”–and not every psychopath spits in your eye right away or steals from you the first time they meet you.
It takes a certain level of intimacy to be conned by most of them, you have to extend trust to them. I no longer freely extend trust to people before I know them well, and at the first sign of dishonesty I distance myself from them.
I used to be much more trusting, never locked my door, literally, I didn’t even know if there WAS a key to my house. I rented my rental properties to people without much of a back ground check and did business on a hand shake. NOT any more, people must earn trust with me now.
I’m still a “friendly” outgoing person but I keep my hand on my wallet and keep an eye out for my heart!
Yes, Rosa, I made the mistake of asking Donna if I could give my personal email to this former LF blogger,{you prob remember her, mame began with Tand ended in Y}. She turned out to be an absolute biatch and started to send me horrible abusive emails.I think he was VERY disturbed and a P. To start with, she really played on the sympathy card, and I think she fooled most of us, she certainly fooled me! Thank God she longer emails me, but if I saw one from her, I deleted it straight away, unread.I knew if I read them Id be upset,-no point. MamGem.XXPs Donna had to ban her from LF in the end.So, even here, we have spaths and trolls.