At a Christmas party on Saturday night, the conversation turned to hot water radiators. My husband, who is mechanically inclined, explained to a woman, who was trying to save money by conserving heat, how to bleed the air out of an old-style hot water heating system.
Eventually, the conversation revealed why the woman was trying to save money. She’d purchased an old farmhouse for her business. She secured a $150,000 construction loan to renovate the house and retained a contractor. The contractor insisted on installing the thermostat for the hot water heating system on a wall directly across from a wood burning stove. (For those of you who are not mechanically inclined, this is a really dumb idea.) The contractor also told the woman that she couldn’t insulate the farmhouse because moisture would create a mold problem. (This is true, but it is a problem that is readily solved, and insulating the house is a really good idea.)
Further conversation revealed that the contractor, who was president of some kind of historical building society, had not completed $70,000 worth of work for which he had been paid. The bank repeatedly came to inspect the job, bought the guy’s stories about why the work wasn’t done, and released the next installment of money. The farmhouse owner, of course, signed off on all the payments.
At one point a bank representative asked the farmhouse owner, “Are you sure about this guy?”
“Oh, he’s fine,” she replied. “He’s the president of the historical building society.”
The contractor hasn’t paid the subcontractors, and they’re demanding their money from the farmhouse owner. She hired a lawyer, who went along with a plan suggested by the contractor’s lawyer, which was useless. So now the woman is trying to save her home and her business. Plus, she’s cold.
“Sounds like you’re dealing with a sociopath,” I said.
I don’t know if this woman has any good options. We suggested that she sue the bank, because the bank released the money. But she approved payments, so that may not work. She can’t afford another lawyer. As has happened to many of us who have dealt with sociopaths, she may be stuck holding the bag.
Fort Dix Five
This woman may suffer terrible financial losses. But others involved with sociopaths lose much more.
A few weeks ago, in The con man, the thug and the jihadists, I wrote about the five young Muslim men who were on trial for plotting a terrorist attack against U.S. soldiers at Fort Dix, New Jersey. Most of the prosecution’s case was based on conversations secretly recorded by an informant, an illegal immigrant from Egypt, who was paid $240,000 by the FBI.
I predicted that the jury would see that the informant was a con man who manipulated the young men. I predicted that the defendants would walk. I was wrong.
The five young Muslims were convicted of conspiring to kill military personnel. They were acquitted of the more serious charge of attempted murder because they didn’t actually do anything. Still, they all face life in prison.
Yes, they did go to a shooting range in the Pocono Mountains of Pennsylvania, shot at targets and shouted “Allahu Akbar,” or “God is great.” They videotaped themselves doing this and brought the tape to a Circuit City store to be converted to DVD. One of them also downloaded violent jihadist videos from the Internet.
But would they have actually have gone any further? Would they have even discussed plans, which were nothing more than vague, wild ideas, if they hadn’t been goaded on by the sociopath, who was being paid to keep them talking?
I know how convincing sociopaths can be, so I don’t think they would have done anything without his encouragement. But I wasn’t on the jury, and the people who were apparently don’t understand sociopaths. So the young Muslims were left holding the bag. They may spend the rest of their lives in prison.
For his efforts, the con man informant, who was twice convicted of bank fraud, was promised legal residency in the United States, courtesy of our Justice Department.
Education is key
The consequences of entanglements with sociopaths are always negative, ranging in scale from unpleasant to deadly.
That’s why Lovefraud’s mission is to educate people about sociopaths. Right now, most people find Lovefraud because they’re already entangled with a sociopath and facing the consequences. We’ll soon announce a new initiative to help people cope with what has happened to them.
But eventually we hope to have programs to educate people about this personality disorder and the red flags of sociopathic behavior. Our goal is to help people escape the terrible consequences by avoiding the predators in the first place.
I LOVE YOU OXDROVER! Right now I’ve got this RAGING headache! And I guess you are so right about ridding these people in my thoughts and on a stupid my space page–BUT WHY AM I SO SCARED? WHY THE HELL AM I SCARED TO BLOCK THESE PPL.? Is it because NOW I’ll look like I’m upset with these ex.’s? And they’ve won AGAIN…with my emotions.
G-d what a skin head he looked like! REAL CREEPY–I must of been hypnotized! It’s that stare that I can’t get past now! OMG whwhwhwyyywhywhywhywhy….did I! WHAT WAS I THINKING? I MEAN REALLY.
Tryingtoheal–I find that it could be twenty yrs. ago, and I am still being attracted to these types of ppl. I mean, all these crazies! Women friends, men as boyfriends or husbands and EVEN my family. I look at myself and feel jipped….like somethings wrong with me! Like I am at fault…and i’m not asking for anyones sympathy here but There is something about me that is wrong. I just wish I had the money to get the counseling that I need to rid myself of these weirdos. I mean, just my association with him and every weirdo out there –It’s my damned fault. Not very strong of me huh?
hey everyone…
its been a long time since ive written anything. iam always checking in and reading updates and seeing how everyone is doing. i see there are some new people here trying to heal and deal with these sociopaths.
im doing pretty good. i go days sometimes week without thinking about my x, then something triggers me and i think about him, or us. its been over 6 months since the break up and i’m still sad sometimes. i’m sad that im not farther along the healing process. i feel like im never going to meet anyone who i have feelings for like the x. he was my best friend and its sad. i loved that man with all of me.
new years is tomorrow and this year i just dont feel like doing anything. there is not one person i want to be with. i want to be alone. i miss that coupled up relationship stuff and i dont have it.. even after 6 months i still miss parts of him..or maybe just parts of the relationships….anyway hope everyone has a great new years and be safe…
Hi Blondie,
I’m one of the “new” folks on this site, and its good to read your post. I broke up with my ex 10 months ago, but then did some back and forth (once a month got together with him when I felt like I couldn’t go on without a hit) until 4 months ago when I went NC. The NC hasn’t been pure because he has continued to email/text/call, though it is dying out, mercifully.
I’m definitely feeling much better than I did 10 months ago, 8 months ago, 6 months ago – but still feel sad, at times, that I am not further along. I was only with this man for 9 months, but its been so painful trying to recover that I feel like he has taken up almost two years of my life. I want to be “over” him. But like you, I have a hard time connecting with other people, and often want to be alone. For a long time I PUSHED myself to spend time with others in order to keep myself busy and try to propel myself to move forward. I’ve done less of that more recently – though was with family a lot (and it was nice) during the holiday.
I, too, feel afraid that I will never have a relationship like the one I had with the ex (the imagined relationship – but it sure as hell felt real). I’m afraid I’ll never get over him and move past it. That he’ll always haunt me to some degree.
It bothers me that he treated me so cruelly, I KNOW he’s an S, yet I still have fond feelings for him at times, and think about him with some longing on occasion.
Thankfully I mostly feel angry or repulsed by him. But I want to feel nothing. I don’t want him taking up any more of my energy.
This site has helped alot. And probably prevented me from going back to him again and again. I’ve been reading this site for 10 months, though only posting for 3 weeks.
I hope you hang in there, blondie. You are a power of example for me
Dear Hairellen,
Thanks sweetie! XOXOXOX
I have had a “series” of Ns and Ps in my life, and I too knew there was SOMETHING About me, ME, that flashed a neon sign that said “PICK ME, I’M A GREAT VICTIM!”
Yes, I think there is something about ALL of us (both positive things and negative things) that make us ALL GREAT VICTIMS.
Each of us must find what is in him/her self that is the negative things, and also the positive things.
I realized that for some reason in my childhood that I did not develop APPROPRIATE BOUNDARIES ON HOW I ALLOWED PEOPLE TO TREAT ME, especially people who were “family friends” or “family members.” Okay, that’s a problem so what to do about it.
Start to learn to set boundaries WITH EVERYONE. And, to realize that I have a RIGHT to set boundaries with anyone, that NO one should be allowed to mistreat me no matter how much I love them.
Well, I also reaized that it is RISKY to set boundaries, because if people don’t willing respect those boundaries, you may lose the relationship entirely. You may have to “divorce” them, (NC) like you would a husband who beat youo or refused to treat you with respect. And that’s a KEY WORD—-RESPECT—-I had to develop RESPECT FOR MYSELF.
I do NOT deserve to be treated without respect.
ANY ONE who treats me with disrespect does NOT love me.
Therefore 2+2=4 and I can conclude that I do not want anyone in my “circle of trust and love” who does NOT respect me. Guess what? That included nearly my whole darned family! My mother and my P son. And, for a while, my son C who was married to a person with a personality disorder because it was “her way sor the highway” for him, and at the time he chose to stay with her UNTIL HE SAW THE TRUTH FOR HIMSELF, when she and her BF tried to kill him. Why did he stay with her for 7+ years when she had abused him almost the entire time? Because his mother (ME!) had trained him to, just like my mother had trained me to put up with the abuse.
Well, now, my son C and I are healing, together and separately. We are back in a sustained, committed and honest relationship with boundaries on both our sides.
My adopted son C had been trained to accept that kind of abuse because I had done that to him. I had to accept this “bad” part of my life, and what I had done to my own son. Sure, he had choices, but at the same time, I realized that part of his accepting abuse was because of ME. I apologized to him for this. He apologized to me for “not believing” me etc. WE RESTORED OUR RELATIONSHIP, but on an IMPROVED BASIS. A better basis.
Fortunately, I did have my adopted son D who stood beside me and believed me the entire time, but I had not influenced him the way I had with son C (who is older) so in a way, I did a better job in my relationshp with him,a nd he has a better grasp of healthy relationships than C and I did. Part my doing and part other (I didn’t raise him from early childhood.)
Tryingtoheal, my advice to you is to just hang on to your hope for your son, his relationship with her may not be permanent, many times it takes them a long time to get out, and I prayed for my son, and eventually he got out.
Blondie, I suggest that for a while longer you don’t think about finding another relationship, that you FOCUS on yourself, AS yourself. Six months may seem a “long time” to go without dating and a year or more may seem like “FOREVER” but it takes a long time for us to retrain our brains, minds and hearts to be independent and strong enough to not just go out and pick another “one”—we need to be independent and WHOLE in ourselves, with ourselves before we can be really a WHOLE part of a healthy relationship. I think so many times the reason we get sucked into another one is the fact that we are LONELY, vulnerable, “missing something” and we think a relationship will solve that lonliness etc. and It won’t. I wish it would, but usually we make some baaaaad choices when we are lonely. (((hugs))))
Oh g-d and I’m so lonely. but looking at that creepo, I thank g-d he did to me like he did…yup. I might be lonely, but thank my lucky stars HE’S EFFIN GONE BABY! I think it was supposed to happen that way. Because he always told me that if I broke up with him he’d “plow through my hair salon with his Dakota truck.” Wow I guess it was karma he left me like he did because otherwise I might still be dealing with his arse. Happy New Year EVERYONE –(if I go back to hiding again) Ellen
Perhaps somewhat off the thread but I had an epihpany last nite that I wanted to share with you all.
I have been realizing that I need to go back to before the P to understand how I could be conditioned to accepting his fake reality and constant stealth abuse for decades.
I think the connection is that as a neglected and unwanted child, of parents who were traumatized by two world wars, I grew up with “unlove”. At a very young age I ran away – 13 – and continued in my youth to act out, act recklessly, promiscuously etc. Seeking love. And finding, invariably, unlove.
All of my previous relationships were deeply flawed, at least two were N’s, one had recovered from a physcotic episode but became raginly jealous and physically abusive, one kidnapped my daughter when she was two and left me without news for several months, (he was the father), one was totally emotianlly unavailble, ALL of them gave me UNLOVE. Sooo…..
As I learned to finally eke some love out of my likely N dad, ( my mother has horror stories even by lovefraud standards), I did it by being tough, by standing up to him (NOBODY DID THAT), by drinking with him, talking politics and science with him. By giving him the companionship, attention and SUPPLY that he wanted.
And when it came to relationships, boy oh boy, the tough, powerful and successful types? Very fascinating to me. And I afterall had proven that I could handle them,right?
Little did I know that I had hit the jackpot of P/S/N/ land, working in the brokerage business. When I think back how openly and gleefully they lied cheated and so on. Captains of industry. Masters of the universe. These were the people that drove the engine that made the country run. This was the source and the root of prosperity and so on. I was indoctrinated and I believed.
But I digress. My point is the pool of men I was exposed to were very socipathic in their business lives, cheating on their wives was the norm and it was all for the common good, afterall.
I realize now of course what a nasty crooked rigged game the whole thing is, and how likely most of the big players were at least N’s. I was sprinkled into the mix with a few other naive and impressionable innocents.
In any event, having come from “unlove”, I think it likely that I have been attracted to “unlove” all along. I just kept telling myself each time that this one is different.
The last one I hung onto for decades out of sheer determination not to be wrong, denying all the massive red flags, denying my misery, papering and pasting over all the places that my fantasy was in shreds, determined, no matter what to be a family, to raise my kids with a dad.
He played his role very well. Beautiful cards and roses on birthdays and christmas, for a while. But it was always “unlove” in action, glossed over with the words that kept me hooked, despite having ceased to love him many years before. In fairness he was always there for his kids, not emotionally, but there.
I guess the question is, having fled misery and dysfunction in our own families, are we really doomed to be attracted to those that will make it impossible to break the cycle?
I agree with all who have posted about educating, and for us survivors, I guess it is never to late to learn. One defining factor of the P is the inability to love. “Unlove”.
It is our nature to seek out that which we know. If we have only known “unlove” we must relearn the process. Perhpas even better, be at peace without seeking, and real love will come.
Peace to all,
blondie: good to hear from you. seems we are all plodding along in our healing; good days, bad days, angry days, s/p thought-free days.
i’ll be all alone on new years, too, and i don’t mind one bit. this is a time to meditate on moving into a new year, leaving behind what we do not want to take with us into a future full of wonderful possibilities.
i wish you — and everyone here — peace and healing.
Hey everybody – I will be spending NYE on my own, too. I got several offers, but decided that the best way to handle closing up 2008, would be to do it on my own. Like LOG said, this is a time meditate on moving into the new year.
Yes the road to recovery feels bumpy, and full of good days and bad days. I know I’m progressing forward, but I get frustrated when I have a “bad” day after having so many good ones in a row. And, I’m tired of being hurt and angry. It’s getting better, but I want it to be gone! Maybe God doesn’t want it to be gone until I’ve really, truly, learned the lessons delivered through this devastating relationship.
May 2009 be year of healing, joy, peace, and serenity
Healing Heart~ i feel like i relate to you so well. all your fears and emotions i feel as well. one of my biggest fears is that i’ll never get over him. this is the hardest break up ive ever gone though. as much as i know my x is a big fat loser and is the not the guy for me, i still have those feelings sometimes for him. when you lose your best friend or the friend you thought you had, its a long healing process. I just want it to be over!
welcome to lovefraud my dear, and it was good to meet you..keep in touch we will heal together!!! 🙂
I’ll be alone too………well, except for my best friend , my =^..^= !
One thing I can say now that my life is calmer and more peaceful………I’d rather be alone than wish I were!
Best Wishes to everyone for 2009.
Eye of the Storm