At a Christmas party on Saturday night, the conversation turned to hot water radiators. My husband, who is mechanically inclined, explained to a woman, who was trying to save money by conserving heat, how to bleed the air out of an old-style hot water heating system.
Eventually, the conversation revealed why the woman was trying to save money. She’d purchased an old farmhouse for her business. She secured a $150,000 construction loan to renovate the house and retained a contractor. The contractor insisted on installing the thermostat for the hot water heating system on a wall directly across from a wood burning stove. (For those of you who are not mechanically inclined, this is a really dumb idea.) The contractor also told the woman that she couldn’t insulate the farmhouse because moisture would create a mold problem. (This is true, but it is a problem that is readily solved, and insulating the house is a really good idea.)
Further conversation revealed that the contractor, who was president of some kind of historical building society, had not completed $70,000 worth of work for which he had been paid. The bank repeatedly came to inspect the job, bought the guy’s stories about why the work wasn’t done, and released the next installment of money. The farmhouse owner, of course, signed off on all the payments.
At one point a bank representative asked the farmhouse owner, “Are you sure about this guy?”
“Oh, he’s fine,” she replied. “He’s the president of the historical building society.”
The contractor hasn’t paid the subcontractors, and they’re demanding their money from the farmhouse owner. She hired a lawyer, who went along with a plan suggested by the contractor’s lawyer, which was useless. So now the woman is trying to save her home and her business. Plus, she’s cold.
“Sounds like you’re dealing with a sociopath,” I said.
I don’t know if this woman has any good options. We suggested that she sue the bank, because the bank released the money. But she approved payments, so that may not work. She can’t afford another lawyer. As has happened to many of us who have dealt with sociopaths, she may be stuck holding the bag.
Fort Dix Five
This woman may suffer terrible financial losses. But others involved with sociopaths lose much more.
A few weeks ago, in The con man, the thug and the jihadists, I wrote about the five young Muslim men who were on trial for plotting a terrorist attack against U.S. soldiers at Fort Dix, New Jersey. Most of the prosecution’s case was based on conversations secretly recorded by an informant, an illegal immigrant from Egypt, who was paid $240,000 by the FBI.
I predicted that the jury would see that the informant was a con man who manipulated the young men. I predicted that the defendants would walk. I was wrong.
The five young Muslims were convicted of conspiring to kill military personnel. They were acquitted of the more serious charge of attempted murder because they didn’t actually do anything. Still, they all face life in prison.
Yes, they did go to a shooting range in the Pocono Mountains of Pennsylvania, shot at targets and shouted “Allahu Akbar,” or “God is great.” They videotaped themselves doing this and brought the tape to a Circuit City store to be converted to DVD. One of them also downloaded violent jihadist videos from the Internet.
But would they have actually have gone any further? Would they have even discussed plans, which were nothing more than vague, wild ideas, if they hadn’t been goaded on by the sociopath, who was being paid to keep them talking?
I know how convincing sociopaths can be, so I don’t think they would have done anything without his encouragement. But I wasn’t on the jury, and the people who were apparently don’t understand sociopaths. So the young Muslims were left holding the bag. They may spend the rest of their lives in prison.
For his efforts, the con man informant, who was twice convicted of bank fraud, was promised legal residency in the United States, courtesy of our Justice Department.
Education is key
The consequences of entanglements with sociopaths are always negative, ranging in scale from unpleasant to deadly.
That’s why Lovefraud’s mission is to educate people about sociopaths. Right now, most people find Lovefraud because they’re already entangled with a sociopath and facing the consequences. We’ll soon announce a new initiative to help people cope with what has happened to them.
But eventually we hope to have programs to educate people about this personality disorder and the red flags of sociopathic behavior. Our goal is to help people escape the terrible consequences by avoiding the predators in the first place.
no apology was needed – some of them are still lurking about – some scorned gals come here claiming their x husbands are sociopaths or narcissit when in reality they just be a bitch, I mean it was so evident in what they said – i only keep up with a handful of posters here anymore onestep – i am so past the pain and out of the fog sometimes I just dont relate anymore – and to be honest it is not good for me to get involved emotionally with victims when they are so obviouly at the worst time of their lives, it keeps me from moving on,, how ever i still need occasional reinforcement of what I believe to be true about people in my life that have effected me so negatively – and sometime just encouraging others that they will get through this is enuff to keep me coming back – and I also have no social life so here i be..
There ya go…..
LF has been a pillar for me!!! In so many ways!!!
i am trying to get a better sense of the ‘culture’ of lf. there is layers and layers to it.
i vacillate about how much i want to be here…it could suck my energy right out. and i do get caught sometimes.
i really like to come and just play sometimes. that’s easiest at night. i realyl miss the night time with the spath…we laughed and joked a lot and would talk for a couple of hours at night. so coming here and playing feels really good. i am not alone and i have peeps to play with.
that said it’s almost 3 am here…g night hens and Eb xox
good night to you One….
I know you’ll do whatever you need to and must to get this done….
Like my gf’s say to me….with every new spath story….
GETERDONE!
Nighty night….
XXOO
EB
Erin Brock. I was getting the wierdest vibes about a recent poster who had recently changed her user name.Seemed to me to be drinking and or pill popping a lot. Oxy had a stern but loving word with her. I was also getting very irritated that her posts were almost incoherent, made little or no sense. Looking back, I think I was more pissed off with this than with the F words. her comments didnt add up. Do you think she is a spath, or just very mixed up? The wierd vibes and uncomfy feelings seem to have gone.Thank goodness! we had a lot of fun tonight, and it felt GOOD! Love, mamaGemXXPs I hope Im wrong about this person.
OX,
The plan is to go back and say nothing. However, good plan or not, it most likely will fail at one point or another. The very mention of his name, throws me into a panic attack. Any thought of him, makes me start weaving back and forth, rocking myself for comfort.
I am highly defensive about the whole issue, because what he claims was just a “mistaken imagined” relationship on my part, broke up a very happy marriage, and emotionally scared me for life. I am still traumatized by the memories, and all the things I lost in my life, and in my phyci. I still have nightmares every day, and I still start crying from the flash backs with no apparent reason. I am remarried, but that does not decrease the value of what I lost by his “game.”
He is the head of all the lead workers, and I will be under him somewhere, no matter how much they try to put up mirrors and smoke to cover it. If someone says to me, “Jeff requires this, or wants that,” or if they say, “My lead worker told me to….” I am most likely to explode in offense to any reference to HIM that “sociopath/pathological liar/ mother f-er/ son of satin” having any authority over ME in any way under the sun. I’m liable to jump down any one’s throat who dares to tell me what HE wants or requires, weather he’s THEIR lead worker or not.
I am also likely to walk past him sitting and flirting with some young or nieve thing, and make a side comment about “does he other girlfriends know about you?” or “you know he gave his ex hpv that he caught from the mistress he picked up the month after he got married don’t you?”
If I can keep my cool, I will be able to keep my job. However, if I make references to sociopaths, STD, or the fact that he is on interview panels picking out his next victims… I will probably get fired. Seems like a clear black and white choice, except that the emotional trauma he has caused, makes me feel like I’m still in the middle of the worse years in my life, and I can feel myself sitting in the chair as he hung up on me to go screw his/ “only a friend” mistress, as I contemplated where I wanted to kill myself.
It’s hard to act logically when you are in a split second thrown back to the moment you almost took your own life over someone who couldn’t give a damn if you had lived or died.
Logic is not the issue. Emotional trauma, and the instability it causes is the issue.
I’m so sorry you’re going through this, Sherry.
Maybe you should cut your losses and, “Get the hell outta Dodge.” I know that’s easier said than done, and that you’ll probably be giving up a lot that you’ve worked for, but in the long run, the quality of your life may be so much better. Is it worth all the bad energy it’s causing in you?
I read in a self-help book once that if you’ve got a decision to make, to close your eyes, breath evenly, and relax…then, concentrate on both alternitives one at a time…be very conscience of your physical sensations and notice which choice makes you feel,”lighter.” Which choice makes you feel, “heavier.” Pick the light choice.
I hope you have that option.
My home, and my career are the only things left from the old life the ex-s took from me. If I quit I would lose those too.
Also, my new husband is retiring in a few months, given that I can stay employed to pay for the health insurance. I didn’t mind keeping working even though he’s younger, because I have no retirement after the sociopath ruined my life any way, so I’d been planning on working until I dropped before I met my new husband. If I quit, it would be like saying, “keep working cause I don’t want to!”
I may not last long any way, and I know the trauma will be horrible, but I have to try. My thought is also, if I’m going down and going to lose every thing any way, I’m going down KICKING AND SCREAMING, and hopefully the sociopath and any who would ally themselves with him, will come out a little worse for the trauma. Life’s short, mess with someone else’ … is what one of my old friends email message says. If I’m going to be traumatized, and they wont even let me slink off with my tail between my legs, they can have a few war scars too.
I’d rather not fight… I’d rather not argue. But I’m sure as heck, not going to lie like they are, and say the emperor is dressed in fine clothes.
Dear All,
First of all, please be assured that I am not on anything (at the moment at least). I hope this post will reflect that.
As admitted, I do like my red wine and the occasional parsley cigarette to tell the str8 up truth. Nothing else for this gal. I don’t even take anti biotics. My doc will say “this is what we typically do, but what are you going to do?”about any health issue that may arise.
Once again I will apologize for any confusion or hurt I’ve caused to any posters here.
Oxy: You Do know everything!! lol And I so appreciate your candor when calling me to the mat about my 2 times that I have been binging to numb the pain while posting. The last 6 weeks have been incredibly difficult for me. The guns situation last week just about did me in.
I am grateful for all the posters that took a moment to encourage me or even understand when I wasn’t “coherent”.
I am feeling quite saddened and angry by some of the posts that I have read from the previous evening.
I am no troll. I have been reading in the background since last October as I stated when I first arrived to this site. I decided this was a safe place that I could let it all out and be understood(excepting the wine escapades). And for the most part that was true.
Oxy you said something today I think, about feeling bad about posters being posted around and therefore do the best you can to welcome everyone. I believe you do and that is highly commendable. I have even tried to bring a poster’s cry to the attention of others when I’ve felt I would not be adequate at replying.
I don’t want to get into a peein match with anyone, but I also saw Aeyala’s post today wondering if she was being judged when in fact it was obviously Conomo being judged. my heart went out to her knowing that I felt the same way when “mike” was posting not long after I arrived. Perhaps I was lumped into that as well.
I would also like to say MamaGem that I saw the F word sprayed around a fair bit before I decided to post, which was a bit of a comforting point for me to feel I could spill my guts here. Frankly I don’t find the f word any more offensive than s*t or b*tch.
We come here initially because it looks like a safe, friendly, supportive and FUN environment. But yes, we are HURTING AND RAW AND HYPER SENSITIVE looking for understanding and acceptance.
If y’all want to speak double speak and post around those beneath you then perhaps you could share your parties on IM.
I think this might benefit many newbies not just myself. And then perhaps it would also be easier to identify the true trolls.