At a Christmas party on Saturday night, the conversation turned to hot water radiators. My husband, who is mechanically inclined, explained to a woman, who was trying to save money by conserving heat, how to bleed the air out of an old-style hot water heating system.
Eventually, the conversation revealed why the woman was trying to save money. She’d purchased an old farmhouse for her business. She secured a $150,000 construction loan to renovate the house and retained a contractor. The contractor insisted on installing the thermostat for the hot water heating system on a wall directly across from a wood burning stove. (For those of you who are not mechanically inclined, this is a really dumb idea.) The contractor also told the woman that she couldn’t insulate the farmhouse because moisture would create a mold problem. (This is true, but it is a problem that is readily solved, and insulating the house is a really good idea.)
Further conversation revealed that the contractor, who was president of some kind of historical building society, had not completed $70,000 worth of work for which he had been paid. The bank repeatedly came to inspect the job, bought the guy’s stories about why the work wasn’t done, and released the next installment of money. The farmhouse owner, of course, signed off on all the payments.
At one point a bank representative asked the farmhouse owner, “Are you sure about this guy?”
“Oh, he’s fine,” she replied. “He’s the president of the historical building society.”
The contractor hasn’t paid the subcontractors, and they’re demanding their money from the farmhouse owner. She hired a lawyer, who went along with a plan suggested by the contractor’s lawyer, which was useless. So now the woman is trying to save her home and her business. Plus, she’s cold.
“Sounds like you’re dealing with a sociopath,” I said.
I don’t know if this woman has any good options. We suggested that she sue the bank, because the bank released the money. But she approved payments, so that may not work. She can’t afford another lawyer. As has happened to many of us who have dealt with sociopaths, she may be stuck holding the bag.
Fort Dix Five
This woman may suffer terrible financial losses. But others involved with sociopaths lose much more.
A few weeks ago, in The con man, the thug and the jihadists, I wrote about the five young Muslim men who were on trial for plotting a terrorist attack against U.S. soldiers at Fort Dix, New Jersey. Most of the prosecution’s case was based on conversations secretly recorded by an informant, an illegal immigrant from Egypt, who was paid $240,000 by the FBI.
I predicted that the jury would see that the informant was a con man who manipulated the young men. I predicted that the defendants would walk. I was wrong.
The five young Muslims were convicted of conspiring to kill military personnel. They were acquitted of the more serious charge of attempted murder because they didn’t actually do anything. Still, they all face life in prison.
Yes, they did go to a shooting range in the Pocono Mountains of Pennsylvania, shot at targets and shouted “Allahu Akbar,” or “God is great.” They videotaped themselves doing this and brought the tape to a Circuit City store to be converted to DVD. One of them also downloaded violent jihadist videos from the Internet.
But would they have actually have gone any further? Would they have even discussed plans, which were nothing more than vague, wild ideas, if they hadn’t been goaded on by the sociopath, who was being paid to keep them talking?
I know how convincing sociopaths can be, so I don’t think they would have done anything without his encouragement. But I wasn’t on the jury, and the people who were apparently don’t understand sociopaths. So the young Muslims were left holding the bag. They may spend the rest of their lives in prison.
For his efforts, the con man informant, who was twice convicted of bank fraud, was promised legal residency in the United States, courtesy of our Justice Department.
Education is key
The consequences of entanglements with sociopaths are always negative, ranging in scale from unpleasant to deadly.
That’s why Lovefraud’s mission is to educate people about sociopaths. Right now, most people find Lovefraud because they’re already entangled with a sociopath and facing the consequences. We’ll soon announce a new initiative to help people cope with what has happened to them.
But eventually we hope to have programs to educate people about this personality disorder and the red flags of sociopathic behavior. Our goal is to help people escape the terrible consequences by avoiding the predators in the first place.
Dear Conomo,
Thank you for being up front in the above post. It is difficult for me to answer you on this thread at length as my computer hook up is so slow on these threads with many comments, it takes a “minute” for each word typed to come through, so I will move to anyother shorter thread.
conomo,
I am sorry that you were misunderstood. There is always that risk of hurting someones feelings, and I am sorry if yours were hurt. Personally I think Oxy did handle it best by just asking openly about the self medicating. And you were honest with your answer.
I wish I had been able to be this direct about this and ask you the time that you and I were on late at night, but for me this is one of my personal triggers. And I backed off.
I made a choice after my husband died. No more alcohol/drug abusers in my life period. I was surrounded by them during many periods of my life. I have stuck to this for 13 years however now that I have been away from this for so long I just am unable to deal with it at all. This is MY problem and not yours. And I am hyper sensitive about this. Again not your problem….All mine.
I hope that you will continue to come back and feel welcome here. This is a place of healing and support and understanding. Generally late at night there is more fun posting on one thread, but anytime someone has a problem on another thread, usually someone will jump over and lend support.
It will be helpful if we can follow and understand your post, so being “coherent” is helpful, but its your choice…And when I say this I ain’t judging, I’m just saying….
Hi Conomo.
I’ve never said a word about your drinking, mostly because I enjoy a glass or two of red wine, myself. Early on, however, I was noticing that if I posted after drinking just a little too much, I was waking up, making apologies. Alcohol loosens my mouth and I can become quite out-spoken and sometimes abrasive…so when I feel myself getting to that point, I log-off. I don’t personally have a problem with the F-bomb, but some folks do, so out of respect, I try to limit it’s use.
When you first came here, I enjyed your posts to me, and liked being able to encourage you,with your music.
There were a couple of times I got confused and didn’t know what to think…that kind of thing has happened in the past, for me , and I ended up hurting someones feeling, even though I didn’t mean too. So, after the second time I was confused, and you never cleared it up for me, I decided I would keep my distance.
If I hurt your feelings, I’m sorry. Please don’t let it stop you from coming here to heal.
I’m glad you addressed the issue…
Conomo:
I will post a response on another thread…..Im having the same slow problem as others….
Witsend and Kim,
I am so very touched with your immediate replies and apologies.. .tears in fact.
I did not only post for my own concern but some of the underlying comments that others could have been self guessing themselves about.
And I am aware of my issues and sorry for getting so s*tfaced and posting when I was so hurt angry confused…not by you folks but the xS b/f and all the other hurts that have come rolling to the surface since the encounter with him.
I hope that I do not slip in this regard again.
Having said that, I’m not so sure that being obsessed with this sit e is helping me as I thought it would. I sure makes the wounds more intense sometimes and gives me a headache! I rarely get headaches—even hangover headaches.
Thank you again. Call me to the mat but please don’t think my situation is a contrived story.
Still no ephiphanies but I did talk to a good friend who helped me sort out a bit of the pain. Here’s what she said…
“Hes not happy. He may think he is for a second, but he could be making it look like he is happy. You saw his true colors–princess doesnt like princess. He probably loved that you saw that picture-to punish you for not putting up with his crap and dumping him. The only way he would treat her better is to set her up to use her. Who needs that? If it looks better, it is an illusion. His life is, Im sure, still messed up-I dont think he recently had an awakening. It is sad that he let a prize like you slip away. He cant help it, cause he knows your out of his league.”
I STILL dont understand one his last texts that said this (why Im having a block over this is making me CRAZY)…”we just need and want different things from a partner. You boundaries blocked out alot of what I needed the most.”
You see what happens when I re-read this is I begin to feel like I didnt do that SOMETHING to make things right. I gave what I could, in a healthy relationship, and struggle with understandign from his perspective what I he didnt get from me and NOW, is he getting whatever he ‘needed and wanted’ from HER?
One more thing…Ive come up with a few rationalizations for why he posted the picture of he and the mystery girl…although they look like a couple to me…
1. To provoke me-as he may love nothing more than to have me squirm over knowing hes with someone else (he used to tell me he ‘wished’ I would get jealous).
2. To punish me-as he may have posted the picture to throw it in my face that he’s with someone now in sort of a passive way.
3. To tell me he doesn’t care about me-I may be the last thing on his mind.
4. To make me feel bad-sorta a way to say “f’ you to me.
OR…maybe Im being paranoid…and a little self absorbed thinking he has me in any of his thought…Maybe Im the LAST thing on his mind, although knowing him (or so I think), he wouldnt post a picture of he and anyone…it would ruin his ‘chances’ of finding someone else–UNLESS he’s with her…and he calls her his girlfriend. (Her profile has only her picture up…none with him).
I dont know…what do you guys think
Robx-
“We just need different things from a partner” ….
He wants no strings attached, run around, free-bird (pun intended), nothing serious, no questions, do as he pleases…
Perhaps you wouldve liked a more mature serious partner who can handle a commitment and honesty, sensitivity, respectful reciprocal partnership.
Your boundaries….No messing around with others… no crossing the line.. no bending on certain things you felt uncomfortable with to continue…his lies, his vagueness his cheating his lack of making you a priority and the only one…. those are things things he needs to be able to do…if you value yourself, respect yourself and cant shut up and put out then the relationship isnt going to be “Compatible” for him…
You did RIGHT …you just didnt do what he wanted you to do — be at his beck and call and dont expect anything more than that from him. If you ask questions and want to talk…he will walk. ON ANYONE. NOT JUST YOU.
RBabe….this is my last post tonight…I don’t know your story, but think that your # 1 to 4 + maybe sounds right on if you are healing from a sociopath…it’s hard to label it because then you have to go through the next process of WHY??? I think the best bottom line is: he has hurt you to the point of being obsessed by being hurt…posting pictures to you about his current happiness is absurd–In my current opion—do you think there were times of absurdity in your relationship?? I know I had them….and it only escalated to dangerous….as people said to me…only you will know with retrospect and introspect….it’s #### hard to move forward in most partings…most of all parting with a deranged individual….As I said I don’t have the bestor any answers…just saying If you are obsessing…that is a good sign that it is time to take the bull(scrotum)by the horns and lay it down girl…there are lots of threads here that give ideas on how to do that….sometimes just reading current posts help …. I don’t know what books you’ve read…but read the suggested ones….and do what you feel is right for you…I wish you the intuit and fortitude you need to move forward RBabe… 🙂
learning:
It is true, and knowing what little I know about his past ‘relationships’, what he ‘wanted and needed’ was a benefriend who could supply him with all he wanted (house, car, money, etc). You are right…I put up boundaries (or he called them walls) around things he COULDNT have…like my soul, and without that, he wasnt able to GET everything he wanted and needed because I wasnt so enamored by him that I would sell myself for him. Is that REALLY what he wanted and needed in a partner? Who does that?
Thnak you, learning