The headline of a New York Times article sent to me by a Lovefraud reader last week was, Maybe bullies just want to be loved.
Yeah, right, I thought.
The article related the findings of two recent studies, one of them about schoolyard bullies. Dutch researchers from the University of Groningen investigated 481 elementary school children. Their findings, according to the Times:
Bullies tended to divide their classmates into potential sources of affection and targets for domination. The latter were children who had already been rejected by kids the bullies cared about: They didn’t count. Interestingly, bullies cared only about the approval of classmates of the same sex. Boys pick on kids whom their male peers disdain, but couldn’t care less what the girls think. Similarly, mean girls disregard their male classmates’ opinions. “Bullies are very strategic in their behavior,” explains the lead author, René Veenstra. “They’re looking for attention and affection from their own peer group.” In other words, bullies want friends.
The idea that bullies wanted affection and friends struck me as a bit odd, so I looked for more information on the study. It was published in the March/April 2010 issue of the journal Child Development. The full title is, The complex relation between bullying, victimization, acceptance, and rejection: Giving special attention to status, affection and sex differences.
Reading the beginning of the study, I came to realize the depth to which even the scientific community does not understand sociopaths. But before I explain this observation, let me provide a bit more background.
Multiple studies
This particular study is one of several published by the same group of Dutch researchers, apparently led by René Veenstra. They are involved in a long-term study of Dutch children called TRAILS (Tracking Adolescents’ Individual Lives Survey), designed to chart and explain the development of mental health and social development from preadolescence into adulthood. It began in 2000 and will continue through 2016.
Veenstra and colleagues published another study in 2005 called Bullying and victimization in elementary schools: A comparison of bullies, victims, bully/victims and uninvolved preadolescents. In the introduction, the study recounted the “Knowledge base on bullying:”
Research suggests that children and adolescents identified as bullies demonstrate poorer psychosocial functioning than their classmates. Bullies have been reported to be aggressive, impulsive, hostile, domineering, antisocial, and uncooperative toward peers and to exhibit little anxiety or insecurity. When they are in control, bullies feel more secure and less anxious. Surprisingly, according to self-reports, bullies make friends easily and obtain classmate support similar to that of uninvolved youth. Bullies believe they will achieve success through their aggression, are unaffected by inflicting pain and suffering, and process information about victims in a rigid and automatic fashion. Bullies believe that they pick on their victim because they are provoked or because they do not like the victim. They show poorer school adjustment, both in terms of achievement and well-being, and perceive less social support from teachers. These children may be more difficult in the classroom and frustrating for teachers. Evidence suggests that bullies come from homes in which parents prefer physical discipline, are sometimes hostile and rejecting, have poor problem-solving skills, and are permissive toward aggressive childhood behavior or even teach their children to strike back at the least provocation. (Citations omitted.)
In other words, schoolyard bullies are budding sociopaths, and often the children of full-fledged sociopaths. Other findings in the 2005 paper include:
- A boy was more likely to be a bully than was a girl.
- Parenting characteristics had no impact on bullying and victimization.
- A main characteristic of bullies was aggressiveness.
- Although bullies were disliked, they were not marginalized.
All of these findings are consistent with what we at Lovefraud know about sociopaths: They are more likely to be male than female. They do not necessarily come from a disadvantaged background. They make friends easily, even though they can be, when they feel like it, hostile, aggressive and impulsive. They feel entitled to abuse someone, claiming they are provoked.
Veenstra, therefore, is studying people who are high in sociopathic traits.
Seeking affection?
So let’s go back to the most recent study of schoolyard bullying by Veenstra et. al. In the beginning of it, he lays out a “theoretical elaboration” of the background for his study:
When studying interactions among children, what goals should be considered? Status and affection goals have frequently been identified as important for all human beings. Although we do not measure these goals directly, we have good evidence for their importance. Pendell (2002) has reviewed much literature that shows affection to be a universal need. The evolutionary and developmental importance of affection has also been shown. Status has also been established as a universal goal, and the importance of this goal for bullying has recently been directly assessed. Both goals are prominent in childhood and preadolescence as well. Thus, it seems to be a safe assumption that bullies, like other human beings, want to realize status and affection. (Citations omitted.)
This assumption is wrong. Bullies are, most likely, high in sociopathic traits. Sociopaths do not feel empathy for other human beings. They are not capable of love. They don’t want affection; they want narcissistic supply.
This study, however, concluded that bullies chose their victims in order to minimize the loss of affection from other members of their peer group. How did the researchers come to this conclusion? The children filled out self-report surveys in their school class. They were asked to name whom among their classmates were their friends, and whom they disliked. They were asked, “Who do you bully?” and “By whom are you bullied?” Based on the answers from all the participating children in the class, the researchers figured out which children were popular, which were bullies and which were victims, and who was friends with whom.
From this, the researchers determined that the bullies generally picked on the unpopular kids in the class. They wrote:
We predicted that bullies focus strategically on those potential same-gender victims who were rejected by and had low acceptance from same-gender classmates. For potential other-gender victims we hypothesized that children would focus on those who were rejected by the bullies’ same gender classmates. We found that victims of male bullies were indeed rejected by boys only and that male bullies were never low on acceptance. Thus, as expected, boys seem to choose their victims so as to minimize loss of affection.
I don’t know how these researchers made the leap from bullies picking low-status targets to bullies not wanting to lose the affection of their friends. I couldn’t find anyplace in the paper that described the researchers actually asking the bullies how they chose victims. If they had asked, I’m sure the answer would have been this: Unpopular kids were easy targets.
Clueless experts
These researchers are studying bullies. Bullying is a good indication of sociopathy. But the researchers are absolutely clueless about the nature of sociopaths.
Sociopaths do not want affection. They want power, control and sex. I hope these child bullies weren’t demanding sex from their victims, but they were certainly in pursuit of power and control.
If the experts on bullying don’t get it, no wonder the regular people of the world are confused about sociopaths.
Donna,
One problem here is that it appears that there is an assumption being made that psychopathy manifests the same for a youth as it does for an adult. Yet some of the features of psychopathy for adults can be viewed as a norm or grown out of by youth (i.e. lack of long term goals, impulsivity, parasitic lifestyle, etc). And these are elementary school kids in the study so they are not even adolescents yet. There are huge changes that occur in children as they become adults.
In one study, 71% of the adolescents who obtained extremely high scores on a measure of psychopathy at age 13 were not later classified as psychopaths at age 24. Adolescents scores on the PCL have been shown to decrease over time significantly more than those of adults.
So it is hard enough to try and pick out the 1% of adults but with kids you have to try and pick out the 29% of the 1%. Talk about a low base rate nightmare.
I would also add that this is not “experts” as in all experts but rather just those doing a study to test a hypothesis that looks at bullying. There are usually exceptions to the rule when looking at groups and how the data on groups plays out does not always carry over to how an individual will, making it even harder to assess.
There is a new(ish) book out that you might want to read. You can view a piece of it here (talks about psychopathy) http://tinyurl.com/33k5mw3 you may have to click previous and then next. The text starts on pg 179 and I think it is well done. If you scroll through it you will come to the “Myths” section and more that is very good!!
Donna, thank you for another outstanding article!
The “bullies” that I have known in my lifetime have bullied people because they could, and not because of any need for attention, affection, etc.
What I found to be most typical was that bullies worked in groups, and not alone. The alpha of the group would hone in on a person who didn’t fall into their category of acceptance and they would goad the rest of the group on to torment these targets.
The term/definition, “sociopath,” is NEVER used to describe these groups of people, especially by media who cover news reports about bullying that results in some sort of violent response.
Very sad, very sick, and very much growing at an exponential rate. Thanks, again, for this enlightening article!
Blogger T:
You make valid points about the fact that children may grow out of many sociopathic traits.
My basic problem with this research is the blanket statement that “bullies, like other human beings, want to realize status and affection.” I’ve had many conversations and e-mail exchanges with parents of children who seem to show sociopathic traits. These children have no real need for affection. What affection they do show is for manipulation purposes. It appears that the researchers do not understand this.
Dear Blogger and Donna,
I’m like Donna I have seen some kids who were “bullies” at age 10-12 (mostly in inpatient settings) that had I thought full blown “psychopathic traits” that there was little likelyhood they would grow out of, and I’ve seen neighborhood kids who were pretty aggressive that grew up to be pretty OK young adults.
I was the victim of severe bullying by a girl in 2nd grade (my jaw was broken) and have no way to know if she grew up to be a P or not, but she was darned sure aggressive & she didn’t seem to want any affection from me at least. I was one of the younger (by more than a year) of my classmates and also a smaller child and not having any siblings I had no idea of how to “fight back.” I was a perfect victim and didn’t even tell on her until she went a bit far and broke my jaw and it got noticed.
My son who did grow up to be a P was not a bully when he was little, but I think when he reached adolescence he became very aggressive at least with CHOSEN victims rather than generally aggressive. My half brother who I think IS a psychopathic adult was a very aggressive child even in second and third grade and would usually come home with his clothes torn off from fighting in school on a daily basis. Neither of my other two half sibs that grew up to not be Ps were aggressive or bullies.
Liane has written several articles about how the dominance drive is highly represented in psychopathic individuals and there is not a reason I can think of to suspect that it wouldn’t be demonstated in children as in bullying or “picking on the weaker” individuals in a group. Since at that age kids tend to interact more with their own gender it would stand to reason that boys would bully boys and girls girls I would think.
Bully to “seek affection”? Nah, but bully to seek ATTENTION? yea. To feel dominance? Yea. Bully to seek approval from others who would like to bully but don’t have the self assurance to actually do it? Yea.
While most every kid who was somewhat of a bully as a child may grow out of it, or be taught out of it, I would think some of those that ARE bullies are early blooming Ps.
Maybe these experts are operating on a faulty premise to begin with.
They are basing their conclusions on the assumption that status and affection are “universal” needs, so bullies must need these things, too.
They are applying this theory to kids who fall OUTSIDE of this “universal” premise….which would be the sociopathic kids.
Whether they realize it or not, it seems like they are trying to include these bullies who possess sociopathic traits in with the empath kids who have the ability to love and a conscience.
That way, they can say that we are all one big human species, and they don’t have to admit that some people in the world are lacking the most basic elements of what makes someone human….a conscience, moral reasoning ability, empathy, and ability to love.
I don’t think these experts can wrap their heads around the fact that there are sociopaths in the world who have no conscience or ability to love.
They would rather come to the conclusion that bullies need affection, too.
It’s like me saying that I love chocolate, so the whole world must love chocolate.
It’s not true. Chocolate makes some people break out in hives.
Most people love chocolate….just like most people want love and affection.
But, it’s not UNIVERSAL. And it’s not always the case.
i don’t think that bullies are looking for friends. i was a bully when i was younger … 12 or 13. but my reason for bullying other girls was that i was being bullied at home; by my father, and two older brothers. i had no way out of being constantly teased, pushed, hit, called names that denigrated both my appearance and my spirit. i was the youngest and most vulnerable in my family. i was also a strong, athletic young girl. i feel as though i just passed it down. i picked on weak girls; threatened to beat them up. my abuse of others at that age was verbal. but when older, stronger girls bullied me, i fought them in physical fights. eventually, i began to identify with the ‘weak’ girls and fought on their behalf. before graduating high school, i apologized to everyone i ever victimized.
this remembrance is very difficult right now. the thought that i hurt others as i was being hurt is terrible, but somehow i grew to be a protector.
the ex-spath was a bully all his life (and still is at 40). there was always a malice about it, but i interpreted it as strength and security.
as a teacher, i see many students who are bullies. the vast majority have terrible home lives, and are themselves, bullied. what a tragic cycle.
it seems that sociopathic bullies would have no remorse. after my anger would subside, i would cry that i hurt someone else’s feelings. bullying is complex, and i believe, often stems from the bully being on the receiving end first. JMHO.
It reminds me of this article published in Wired about Newman’s work: “Psychos Need a Little Sympathy”
http://www.wired.com/medtech/health/news/2006/09/71819
The problem with the studies is that the experts want a clear and concise end result of these studies. A black and white, concrete, boxed up and tied neatly in a bow, answer.
It’s not that simple. It’s to complex and there isn’t just ONE reason why a bully is a bully.
It is no different than the age old argument nurture or nature question of sociopathic originations. There is no ONE reason nature or nurture for this either.
Lostingrief made a very good point. Of the cycle that she “learned” at home by being on the recieving end. And how in the end she grew up to be a protecter.
Human nature, illnesses and disorders of the brain are so complex and everything can’t be compared to a mathematical problem that has ONE RIGHT answer.
Rosa made a good point that possibly the experts are operating on a faulty premise to begin with.
A family of 5 siblings can grow up in the same alcoholic “abusive” household. Each of thise 5 siblings can grow up and have their own perspective of what they experienced as a child. These perspectives can vary. Each, as adults will take on that childhood experience differently. Some of the siblings might continue the cycle, some will not.
This prooves that nurture can produce different results.
Oh my this subject is very painful for me. The bullying was relentless from older brother, boys at school and from some teachers. I would play hookie or play sick to stay away from school. I guess I was different and weird, quite and reserved…at my age now I still have bad dreams about being taunted, called a sissy..add to that being raised as a Jehovas witness and your mother tells you not to salute the flag or join in pagan holiday stuff at school..this makes me so sad…when my boys were little I took them to karate classes and told them to defend themselves from bullies, and they were never bullied and they are not bullies, I guess I taught them self respect even when I didnt have any…I am still a big misfit in this world, I just make the most of every day..memorial day BAH HUM BUG…
Dear Henry,
Well, my dear, if you are a misfit I wish there were more like you!!!! (((Hugs)))) It is astounding to me that someone with the BULLYING you had as a child came out with a heart and soul, whereas your BULLY brother is still a psychopath without a conscience or a soul! With a P for a father, a P for a brother and an a pathological Narcissist for a mother, I don’t know how you did it, but it proves SOMETHING that you are NOT like them. That you have a conscience and you did raise your kids to not be bullies or be victims of them either.
Dear Learning, I think the examples we have had of others bullying or verbally abusing us have made us do or say things to strike back at what we didn’t (then) understand as our internalized anger and sense of injustice, but in the end, once we understand, also makes us realize that being abused can cause the victims to strike out as abusers themselves. But, understanding that can also ULTIMATELY give us empathy for both the abuser and the abused.
It is the abuser who has no conscience, who never has a conscience, that is unable to have empathy, who is unable to do anything except continue to abuse/bully and seek dominance.
I’ve seen it in various animals (primarily dogs) where an abused dog will become violent, and another one will become a belly crawling peeing on itself subservient animal—I think again, it is the “clay and the wax” lying together in the sunshine, the RESULTS of the same situation and conditions will have different results depending on the make up of the thing to start with. The sun melts the WAX, but it hardens the CLAY.
Sometimes a dog that has become viscious because it was abused can be gentled, and sometimes it can’t. My little dog that is of a breed that is usually aggressive has apparently been abused enough in a previous home that he cowers, and I had a border collie that cowered if anyone talked loudly around her because a previous owner a loud male had abused her.
Her son, a wonderful dog, has no problem with loud voices because he has never been abused by someone with a loud voice.
Plus, different people will react differently in different situations of abuse. There are some things that will or did make me come out fighting like a badger and other times I “cowered down and belly crawled.”
I think about some of the studies that were done a couple of generations ago that were based on the fact that “bad parenting” caused every “bad” out come in children as it was ASSUMED that all babies were BLANK SLATES on which parenting wrote 100% of the programming. We now know that many things HAVE genetic components as well as environmental components, so it is only when we get the basic assumptions (as Rosa pointed out) that there are MULTIPLE components to humans and not all of the “same behaivor” is motivated by the same motivations.