The headline of a New York Times article sent to me by a Lovefraud reader last week was, Maybe bullies just want to be loved.
Yeah, right, I thought.
The article related the findings of two recent studies, one of them about schoolyard bullies. Dutch researchers from the University of Groningen investigated 481 elementary school children. Their findings, according to the Times:
Bullies tended to divide their classmates into potential sources of affection and targets for domination. The latter were children who had already been rejected by kids the bullies cared about: They didn’t count. Interestingly, bullies cared only about the approval of classmates of the same sex. Boys pick on kids whom their male peers disdain, but couldn’t care less what the girls think. Similarly, mean girls disregard their male classmates’ opinions. “Bullies are very strategic in their behavior,” explains the lead author, René Veenstra. “They’re looking for attention and affection from their own peer group.” In other words, bullies want friends.
The idea that bullies wanted affection and friends struck me as a bit odd, so I looked for more information on the study. It was published in the March/April 2010 issue of the journal Child Development. The full title is, The complex relation between bullying, victimization, acceptance, and rejection: Giving special attention to status, affection and sex differences.
Reading the beginning of the study, I came to realize the depth to which even the scientific community does not understand sociopaths. But before I explain this observation, let me provide a bit more background.
Multiple studies
This particular study is one of several published by the same group of Dutch researchers, apparently led by René Veenstra. They are involved in a long-term study of Dutch children called TRAILS (Tracking Adolescents’ Individual Lives Survey), designed to chart and explain the development of mental health and social development from preadolescence into adulthood. It began in 2000 and will continue through 2016.
Veenstra and colleagues published another study in 2005 called Bullying and victimization in elementary schools: A comparison of bullies, victims, bully/victims and uninvolved preadolescents. In the introduction, the study recounted the “Knowledge base on bullying:”
Research suggests that children and adolescents identified as bullies demonstrate poorer psychosocial functioning than their classmates. Bullies have been reported to be aggressive, impulsive, hostile, domineering, antisocial, and uncooperative toward peers and to exhibit little anxiety or insecurity. When they are in control, bullies feel more secure and less anxious. Surprisingly, according to self-reports, bullies make friends easily and obtain classmate support similar to that of uninvolved youth. Bullies believe they will achieve success through their aggression, are unaffected by inflicting pain and suffering, and process information about victims in a rigid and automatic fashion. Bullies believe that they pick on their victim because they are provoked or because they do not like the victim. They show poorer school adjustment, both in terms of achievement and well-being, and perceive less social support from teachers. These children may be more difficult in the classroom and frustrating for teachers. Evidence suggests that bullies come from homes in which parents prefer physical discipline, are sometimes hostile and rejecting, have poor problem-solving skills, and are permissive toward aggressive childhood behavior or even teach their children to strike back at the least provocation. (Citations omitted.)
In other words, schoolyard bullies are budding sociopaths, and often the children of full-fledged sociopaths. Other findings in the 2005 paper include:
- A boy was more likely to be a bully than was a girl.
- Parenting characteristics had no impact on bullying and victimization.
- A main characteristic of bullies was aggressiveness.
- Although bullies were disliked, they were not marginalized.
All of these findings are consistent with what we at Lovefraud know about sociopaths: They are more likely to be male than female. They do not necessarily come from a disadvantaged background. They make friends easily, even though they can be, when they feel like it, hostile, aggressive and impulsive. They feel entitled to abuse someone, claiming they are provoked.
Veenstra, therefore, is studying people who are high in sociopathic traits.
Seeking affection?
So let’s go back to the most recent study of schoolyard bullying by Veenstra et. al. In the beginning of it, he lays out a “theoretical elaboration” of the background for his study:
When studying interactions among children, what goals should be considered? Status and affection goals have frequently been identified as important for all human beings. Although we do not measure these goals directly, we have good evidence for their importance. Pendell (2002) has reviewed much literature that shows affection to be a universal need. The evolutionary and developmental importance of affection has also been shown. Status has also been established as a universal goal, and the importance of this goal for bullying has recently been directly assessed. Both goals are prominent in childhood and preadolescence as well. Thus, it seems to be a safe assumption that bullies, like other human beings, want to realize status and affection. (Citations omitted.)
This assumption is wrong. Bullies are, most likely, high in sociopathic traits. Sociopaths do not feel empathy for other human beings. They are not capable of love. They don’t want affection; they want narcissistic supply.
This study, however, concluded that bullies chose their victims in order to minimize the loss of affection from other members of their peer group. How did the researchers come to this conclusion? The children filled out self-report surveys in their school class. They were asked to name whom among their classmates were their friends, and whom they disliked. They were asked, “Who do you bully?” and “By whom are you bullied?” Based on the answers from all the participating children in the class, the researchers figured out which children were popular, which were bullies and which were victims, and who was friends with whom.
From this, the researchers determined that the bullies generally picked on the unpopular kids in the class. They wrote:
We predicted that bullies focus strategically on those potential same-gender victims who were rejected by and had low acceptance from same-gender classmates. For potential other-gender victims we hypothesized that children would focus on those who were rejected by the bullies’ same gender classmates. We found that victims of male bullies were indeed rejected by boys only and that male bullies were never low on acceptance. Thus, as expected, boys seem to choose their victims so as to minimize loss of affection.
I don’t know how these researchers made the leap from bullies picking low-status targets to bullies not wanting to lose the affection of their friends. I couldn’t find anyplace in the paper that described the researchers actually asking the bullies how they chose victims. If they had asked, I’m sure the answer would have been this: Unpopular kids were easy targets.
Clueless experts
These researchers are studying bullies. Bullying is a good indication of sociopathy. But the researchers are absolutely clueless about the nature of sociopaths.
Sociopaths do not want affection. They want power, control and sex. I hope these child bullies weren’t demanding sex from their victims, but they were certainly in pursuit of power and control.
If the experts on bullying don’t get it, no wonder the regular people of the world are confused about sociopaths.
If the experts are as cluless as this, what hope do those of us who have been burned by sociopaths have? We are labled by coworkers as CRAZY, when we warn them about the “charming” leadworker with alterior motives. We are told we are spiteful when we warn current “victims” that the love of their life has 4 other women going behind their backs.
If even the experts can look a sociopath in the face, see every single symptom, and still assume they just want love, what hope do we have to open the eyes of the world to the “danger with a smile,” among us?
I have given up on any hope of being heard, and BELIEVED, in my workplace. I have lost friend after friend, for being SPITEFUL and UNFORGIVING, because I finally see my EX for the dangerous sociopath he is. If I could change things even a little better for those who have been victimized and who WILL be victimized I would dedicate my life to it… just as I had TRIED to dedicate my life to the man who stabbed me in the back… but there is nothing for me to do, but to wish things were different.
At 53 yrs old, I am not going to get a doctorite in phycology, and start a following that will FINALLY educate the world to the TRUTH about the 4% that uses the 96% as their puppets. I wish I could, but the dreamer in me has already died along with my inocence.
Dear Sherry,
Trying to educate others who are not willing to listen is like throwing pearls before swine.” That is just the truth of the matter and no matter how we like it, we can’t deny it.
People will only listen to the truth when & IF it suits them to believe it.
We SHOOT OURSELVES IN THE FOOT if we try to force others to see a truth that THEY DO NOT WANT TO HEAR.
I HAVE BEEN THERE BIG TIME!!!! It is not right or fair, but IT IS THE WAY IT IS.
I am at a ipoint now, where I no longer feel a need to be VINDICATED BY OTHERS IN REAL LIFE. I vindicate and validate myself, I accept my own knowledge of MY TRUTH.
I can get vindication and validation here where others do understand.
I NO LONGER REQUIRE VINDICATION OR VALIDATION FROM those around me in life. It isn’t going to come, and by DEMANDING IT and not getting it, I am continually being DEVALUED AND DISCARDED over and over.
It is like a kid at Christmas who WANTS and EXPECTS a live pony for Christmas and if he doesn’t get that, then nothing else is as good. So when he doesn’t get the pony, the new bike is worthless or even the car he gets, he wants a PONY OR NOTHING. Well, if he keeps that attitude, then he will never be happy when he opens his presents.
When we realize we are NOT GOING TO BE VALIDATED OR VINDICATED BY OTHERS —–and stop demanding that for ourselves—-AND VINDICATE AND VALIDATE OURSELVES, then we are happy.
Sure it would be nice if those around you listened but that isn’t your power to make them listen or validate or vindicate you. IT IS IN YOUR POWER THOUGH TO ACCEPT YOUR OWN VALIDATION AS VALID. AS GOOD. AS ENOUGH! Forget the others, let them take care of themselves. YOU take care of YOU.
I had that hard and difficult lesson to learn as well, and it finally came and now I no longer give a rat’s behind what the egg donor, the neighbors or anyone else thinks. I AMNOW FREE OF EXTERNAL CONTROL.
Oxy, from one survivor to another … GREAT POST.
Piece of cake, piece of pie.
Hey, is anyone watching the Sarah Ferguson interview with Oprah? Is Sarah a Spath?
Hey, henry!! Im glad to be home, and able to contact my real mates on LF!! Hey, if you were stoopid, and I dont think you were, just kind, in love, and vulnerable, that makes us ALLhere on LF stoopid, as weve ALL done th ese things, and more to those we believed loved us.
Ultimately they are the losers as they have no love of themselves and are total fakes.We are still winners as we can still feel love, compassion and empathy. Our painful life-lessons are priceless, as they have made us into the people we are now.{Stronger in the broken places!} henry, we love you!! Mama gem.XX
She may not be a psychopath, but she is a STOOOOOOOPID woman that is for sure!!!!! And GREEDY andf SHALLOW and IMMORAL and DISHONEST….but other than that, she might be OKAY.
She just carped in her mess-kit that is for sure!@....... What gets me though, is that she doesn’t seem to have a great deal of SHAME about it, I saw an interview of her at the book signing and she was making jjokes about it….some of the commenters thought that was pretty cool of her to joke about it, but I didn’t particularly think it showed anything good. Much less commendable.
Hey Gem Thanx for the nice words, where have you been?
Wini I watch Oprah at 11pm, I am anxious to see the Dutchess of York and here about her money woe’s. I guess it takes alot of cash to be a Dutchess….bet our OxDrover Dutchess of LoveFraud could give her some tips on saving money…:)
i don’t think she is spathy. stupid for sure. and maybe all those other nice things oxy said.
Yes, The bully never worked alone. Yet the bully lead the pack to bully the lone kid.
I grew up on Milwaukee’s North West Side. I attended Milwaukee Public Schools in the 1960’s. The bully’s were the white kids. Then the busing began and the bully’s became the black kids.
The bully’s were never content to beat up one kid on one. They thought they needed 10 kids to beat up one tiny sized girl.
I remember defending a tiny Jewish girl from the black girls, another time I defended a white Johavah Witness girl from the black girls. Those black girls were 10 in number and ready to pounce on one lone girl. I asked their reason for pouncing on these girls and the bullies stated that one is Jewish and the other is Johavah Witness.
This is not about color. It is about bullies.
As an adult I went to work at a factory. I was leaving my husband. My female supervisor had an attitude towards women who fail with their men. She said it is because they didn’t please their man. She had it out for me.
She harassed me out of my job. I even switched departments to get away from her. But, she befriended my co-workers to get them to do her dirty work.
She reminded me of high school. Well, that was because she also grew up on Milwaukee North West Side. She learned the dysfunction of the North West Side and carried it with her into the job. She chased off so many employees until they were down to a skeleton crew.
Guess what happened to her? She got promoted.
Somewhere in the bully pack, there is always an instigator and somehow, there are others drawn to that form of leadership.
I’ve never understood it, but I have seen it.
You know it gets really ugly when it pervades small towns, churches and anywhere community tries to form.
Our culture respect warrior gods and the more aggressive, the more likely I think we are to promote people. The fact is that in the long run, it doesn’t work.
But it is encouraged. In all aspects of culture. It isn’t about anything smart, its about the perceived value of aggression.
It just doesn’t in the long run play out to have value because when the days come that companies that provide jobs will be supported because they are needed to sustain the fabric of the country, people like your dysfunctional manager aren’t going to be heroes anymore.
Funny how it works….
Ayn Rand was right. At some point the people who object are just going to let them fall on their own swords and it always does happen.
In the long run….
And thinking about the long run brings us back to this NOW and demands that we be present in the moment when we know it to be happening and to do as you did.
Don’t stop. Not for yourself, Not for others.
You were right the first time. And in the long run, it does payback many fold.
Believe it and believe in you!