This week we are continuing to discuss The Psychopathic Mind by J. Reid Meloy, Ph.D. The author is diplomate in forensic psychology, former Chief of the Forensic Mental Health Division for San Diego County and Past President of the American Academy of Forensic Psychology. As I said last week, my initial reaction to the book was rather negative because I believe this author has made some assertions that have become the basis for inaccurate folklore that has spread over the internet (to be discussed in the coming weeks). But Dr. Meloy made up for all that by setting the record straight on a very important issue—the spectrum of psychopathy.
The idea that psychopathy is a spectrum and that “sociopaths/psychopaths” vary in severity means that there is no real point at which “normal” stops and “sociopath/psychopath” starts. Any decision about where to draw this line (after gathering information on a large group of people) is in a sense arbitrary.
The idea that “psychopathic disturbance” (as Dr. Meloy calls it) is a spectrum can be very confusing. Many people feel a sense of relief when they finally figure out that the person who has harmed them is “a sociopath.” By “sociopath” they mean categorically different from everyone else, a different type of human. Now I am saying there is really no category, just an extreme on a continuum.
I want to point out that we talk about the extremes of the continuum of traits as if they are categories all the time. Think about the adjectives tall, genius, beautiful, athletic etc. and you will realize that although these concepts exist in theory, it can be difficult to correctly place individuals into any of these categories on a strictly yes/no basis. The only time it is easy is when you are dealing with the extreme cases.
It is however; very important to understand how the interaction between spectra and categories affects us. For example, if you are used to being with players in the NBA, most everyone outside of the NBA will seem “short” and the perception of “tall” will also be skewed. To the NBA, 6’2″ is short!
This problem of perception while in the midst of an extreme population has created a problem for forensic psychology. When Dr. Hare first developed the psychopathy checklist, it was thought to differentiate criminals who are “psychopaths” from other criminals who are “not psychopaths.” Well, I maintain that this is exactly the same as calling a 6’2″ NBA player “short.”
I am also concerned with how our perception of psychopathy changes when we see it in the community. When we are in the community a person who has “a little” psychopathy stands out as a 6’2″ person would in a crowd. Many pose the question, “Is my _______ a jerk or a psychopath?” When we understand psychopathy as a spectrum we see that such distinctions are not very useful. It is more useful to ask “How much psychopathic disturbance does my ________ have?”
I have looked extensively in the scientific literature for the exact Psychopathy Checklist (PCL-R) scores that might indicate mild, moderate and severe psychopathic disturbance. If you are following what I am saying you will immediately realize that these definitions are important in determining just how many “psychopaths” there are. When I searched the literature several years ago, I reported on this blog that about 10% of the population has significant psychopathy. That 10% figure corresponds to a cut-off score of about 12 on the PCL-R.
In The Psychopathic Mind, p. 318 Dr. Meloy says the following:
Mild psychopathic disturbance 10-19
Moderate psychopathic disturbance 20-29
Severe psychopathic disturbance 30-40
This is more or less what I also determined given my clinical experience and reading of the literature. You might ask why I harp on this so much and why am I harping on it again? The reason I bring this all up is to help those of you who are stuck in a relationship with someone who has “mild psychopathic disturbance.” Steve Becker also talked about the problem of “mild psychopathy” this week When he’s just a bad dude, though he did not call it that.
In what I am about to say I depart from Meloy and give you my own opinion.
The nature of “Mild Psychopathy”
Psychopathic disturbance as Meloy also describes it is a disorder of motives. Since we all have these motives psychopathy is a spectrum. Psychopathy is an imbalance between love and power motives along with degrees of poor impulse control.
A person who is severely affected with psychopathy has no love motives at all. If we could perfectly measure the love motive, we could indeed form a category of those who have NO capacity for love. That category probably also includes some individuals with “moderate disturbance” and all with “severe disturbance.”
Individuals with mild psychopathy have some ability to love. Because they can love a little, what they do is particularly harmful to “loved ones.” They switch back and forth, in and out of “loving” states. When they are in a loving state, they truly have no emotional or other memory of their experiences outside of that state. Similarly when they are in the “power mode” they have no access to the memories of the love mode. It’s as if they have a split personality. Their poor partner is left asking, “Will the real ________ please stand up?”
The dilemma for partners and family members, is that both states are real. Those involved with the “mildly psychopathic” have to make a tough decision. They have to decide whether or not to let go of a person who they have shared real intimacy with. That is much harder than letting go of someone with severe psychopathic disturbance where the entire relationship was a sham.
Hi Kim………….thanks, and maybe she is borderline…I will continue to search here and others might help me figure her out….She is very dramatic when she is trying to talk about something…She will be so up and her eyes are very wide open and she is almost aggressive in nature telling me something….from a small thing to a bigger thing…..and she isn’t mean then, just very loud and dramatic………….then she calms a bit when she is folding laundry lets say, and will go into a calm……then if she is confronted with someone dropping a bottle or spilling something or not doing what she feels is “smart” like we are all stupid, well then she gets mean and ugly…..and her tone is so nasty and ugly…..When I helped her move recently, she didn’t like what I was doing so instead of calmly talking about the best way to do things she started to get verbal and abusive. After taking it for a while, I popped and told her I would slap her if she kept it up….wouldn’t really do it….(I am not a hitter nor a spanker, although I thing I should have disciplined her more as she grew)….but anyhow, she then jumped over boxes and put her fist in my face and with demon eyes threatened me as she frothed at the mouth……I felt like she was a spawn of Satan…..she is 30…..it is horrible to be around her…..god only knows how she is raising my grandson to be so sweet…….but now he talks back very loudly and will imitate her….groan,…I am glad he will be in school away from her for a while….he loves to leave and come with me…..I try to talk out everything with him and he gets peace with me….a little haven I hope…..
Hi Oxy, do you have any thought on my last post here?
Your daughter sounds to me like she needs to be evaluated by a trained mental health professional and maybe needs some medication and/or therapy. Parenting classes would maybe help.
I wouldn’t “threaten” her even in jest, she sounds a bit volitile to me. Of course her son will pick up on the behaviors that she models for him;.
If he does these behaviors when he is with you, I would calmly tell him that “we don’t do that at Grandma’s house” By school age kids can know that the rules are different at your house and at home and respect your rules of behavior. God bless and good luck (((Hugs))))
Thanks Oxy, I so respect your comments since I know you have been through the grinder…..I also have been teaching him to “let us talk nice…..we don’t need to shout…..etc” ………….did you get to make fried green tomatoes this summer? I intend to make some before the end, I had to work all summer at extra job……..
Yummmmm. Fried green mators. Now you made me want some.
Them and some sweet corn with lots of butter……fresh light biscuits and some fried chicken….!!!!
Throw in some peach cobbler for desert.
SHUT UP YOU GUYS!@....... I’M ON A FREAKING DIET!!!!!! LOL
Nah, I didn’t make any fried green anything this year. Didn’t even plant a plant except my elephant garlic. Harvested my home grown potatoes and have enjoyed them, but am honestly trying to lose some weight. It makes it more difficult since I quit smoking but I am trudging along. I lost 3-4 pounds this past week, and have to keep up the spirit!
Trying to “get healthy” eat less and exercise more. Weather is perfect today, wonderful FALL weather like when I was a kid, crisp night (not cold) and warm with lo humidity day with sunshine.
Actually we are DRY. NEED rain, even the multiflora rose vines (a WEED you can’t kill) are drying up and dropping their leaves! DEATH TO THEM ALL! but is a sign that things are not well. Trees all dropping leaves and no color, some marginal trees even dying. Wet spring, and DRY summer, not much hay—hottest average since records kept, even worse than 1980!
I do have some meat in the refrigerator in a crock being turned into CORNED BEEF though, it has another week to go before it is ready, then I’ll get a head of cabbage and make us some corn beef and cabbage! Hadn’t made any in a long time as I was having trouble finding the marinaide stuff for corning the beef (actually pickling) and I use generic “pickling spice” for the spice in it. Cover with brine, and put in refrigerator and turn every day or two for 21-45 days, then you BOIL it to cook (have to cook it that way to get the excess salt out) then use like any corn beef. YUM and is LOW fat meat as I don’t use the fatty portions to make corn beef. Actually there aren’t many “fatty” portions on my cows.
OMG Oxy! That is probably my favorite meal of allll time. My Scottish Grandfather taught my Norweigan Motherhow to cook it before I was born, and I love it.
I have never cornned it myself, though, just buy itin the store, but it sounds like a fun project. I saw Emiril Lagassi do it on TV once, and thought then I’dlike to try it. I neverknew that Pastrami is smoked corned beef. jThat was a new one too.
Let me know how yours turns out. If I can find a briskit at the store, (on sale) I might be asking you how to do it 🙂
Murder hits too close to home…
http://blog.womenexplode.com/2010/09/02/recent-murder-hits-close-to-home.aspx