By Ox Drover
In Part I we looked at what grief is and what “stages” we may pass through when we lose something or someone of great importance to us. We saw that grief can be “legitimate,” in which others “support us” by validating that we have a reason to be sad over the loss. Yet, there can be “disenfranchised” grief, grief that others do not view as “legitimate” reasons for grief, or shameful private grief that we cannot share.
In their attempts to “help” us, many people make fumbling attempts to “cheer us up” or to trivialize our pain, or attach “reasonable” time limits to how long we are able to grieve, which disenfranchises our pain.
Since most people view “grief” as equal to “Sadness,” the other stages of grief, which include Denial, Anger, Bargaining, and Acceptance, are not necessarily seen as parts of “grief processing.” Especially the stages of anger and bargaining may make the grieving person appear to be “crazy” to observers.
The sudden and irrational angry outbursts that we experience are just as much a part of our processing our grief as a crying bout is. Yet, this scares away and shoves away friends and would-be support, because they don’t understand the grieving process or why we would be so angry.
The bargaining stage, in which we may try to stop the pain by making deals with either God or the devil himself, is also another stage not understood by many of our family and friends, or the public in general. I think this is the stage that many victims of psychopaths are in when they go back again to an abusive relationship. “The devil you know is less scary than the devil you don’t know.”
Processing the roller coaster of feelings
Our grief over the losses of our deeply felt relationships with the psychopaths in our lives is just as valid and just as real as any other grief over any other important loss. Accepting that our grief is real to us, and that is all that matters, is our first task. Our pain is real; our pain is valid. We have a right to feel our pain. To experience the grief is our right! To express that pain without being devalued or disenfranchised is also our right.
Sometimes there is no one else who can or will validate that our pain is genuine, real and our right. In fact, many times others in our lives trivialize our pain, or emotions, or try to make us appear “crazy” for feeling as we do, for hurting, or even deny that any loss occurred. We must validate our own loss, our own pain, sometimes without the outside support, without the supportive presence of empathetic others. In a state of acute grief and pain, this is a difficult thing for us to accomplish.
Understanding the “roller coaster” nature of grief, the rapid cycling of one “stage” to another and back again, sometimes in a matter of minutes or hours, can keep us confused, and those in our environment confused, about whether we are “sane” or not! This rapid cycling of emotions, “okay” one moment, wildly crying the next, or angry and striking out, or trying to find some way to stop the pain by healing the relationship we lost, literally making a bargain with the “devil” psychopath, is the “normal” course of processing our grief and pain.
How long will this go on?
Until it is over.
Though there are trends in grief processing, each of us is an individual who will process through the grief at our own rate, in our own time and our own way. There are several things that will affect the “time line” in grief processing. The first thing, of course, is the depth of the loss. How much did this loss mean to you? How big was the loss?
Another thing that will impact the amount of time needed to process grief is having had prior experiences with grief that were positively resolved into acceptance. We learn how to process grief just like we learn to walk, a little bit at a time, and by practice. A child may learn to grieve over a loss of a beloved pet, yet some parents deprive this child of this learning exercise in the mistaken belief that they are “cheering up” the child when the day after the beloved puppy dies, the parents run out and buy Junior another puppy. Depriving a child of valid grief, the valuable learning experience of grieving, is not arming that child for later life which will be filled with losses in one form or another. So, the effects, either positive or negative, you have had with experiencing grief will effect how you process grief in the future.
Knowing what to expect in the grief process, and being able to name it, will affect the length of grieving. Though I professionally “knew” about grief and the processes we go through in resolving this emotional roller coaster, I was not “immune” to the feelings by my knowing. We cannot intellectually go around our pain, under it, or over it, we must go through the pain of the grief. There are no “short cuts.”
Multiple losses
The number of other losses that happen at the same time will affect how long the processing of grief lasts. Sometimes there are so many losses in a relationship with a psychopath that grieving for all of the losses at the same time is impossible. Because of the magnitude of grieving for all the losses at once, sometimes we are forced to put some losses on the back burner, so to speak, to deal with later. In my own experience, I found dealing with them individually for the most part was easier for me to handle than to try to lump them all together into one huge mass of loss which seemed too big and daunting to even tackle.
Because I dealt with them one at a time, it seemed to me the grieving over one thing or another went on for “decades.” As soon as I got one thing resolved, I had to tackle another one. This was very tiring and discouraging for me at times, but the burdens slowly lifted, and it seemed to me that the grief over each succeeding loss was less painful than the previous ones, that my experiences had made it easier for me to process, and quicker.
Validation
How much support we getand how we are validated affects the time needed to process the grief of our losses. When we are disenfranchised, or our grief is devalued or trivialized, we spend our time trying to validate the grief rather than resolving it. We try to “prove” to others that our grief is real.
Sometimes even well intentioned people who are trying to support and comfort us say the absolutely wrong thing, such as, “I know how you feel,” or, “It was meant to be,” or, “You will be okay,” at a time when we know they do not know how we feel, and that we feel we will never be okay again, and how could it be “meant” for us to hurt like this!?! We may fly into an emotional rage of pain and anguish.
How long? As long as it takes, without artificial limits from others like, “You should be over this now and move on with your life.” Also without artificial limits and time lines imposed by ourselves. “It’s been over a year now, I should be dating already.” Distracting yourself from the grief of one loss with another “new puppy” is not going to allow complete resolution of the first loss. Reaching the “acceptance” stage at one point, may not be staying there—remember the “roller coaster.” Giving yourself time to reach and remain in the acceptance stage for a time of peace, calm and quiet, is important. Don’t try to rush things!
10 Tips to support yourself in grieving:
- Listen—listen to your own pain, thoughts and feelings.
- Validate those feelings—yes they are real and I have a right to feel that way.
- Be kind to yourself—take time for yourself without guilt, you deserve it.
- Don’t put artificial time limits on your grief—it lasts as long as it does.
- Do know that though you don’t feel like it this minute—you will be okay.
- Reach out for support from others—talk about your pain to others who will listen.
- Come to Lovefraud and read and learn and receive support and validation.
- Distance yourself from stressful situations (and people) as much as possible.
- Decrease and delay voluntary and unnecessary changes in your life, if possible.
- Forgive yourself—you deserve it!
Anne, I just saw how many times I wrote “this is about you” in that post. Apologies. It’s not that I think you need it hammered that many times into your head.
Maybe I need it hammered that many times into my head. I’ve been working on myself for more than five years, and I still find myself getting mad at him when my life gets out of control. You still have reason to get mad at your husband. Nobody runs my life but me, but blaming is just a little harder to give up than smoking. I’m still practicing my “new normal” of forgiving myself easily for screwing up, figuring how how to do it better next time, and moving on.
This “this is not about him, it’s about you” is my mantra of the day.
You need more kindness right now. Someone to tell you that you’re doing a good job, and always have been. Post-it notes around the house are helpful.
Love —
Kathy
Dear lostingrief,
Thank you for sharing! We were officially over 9 months ago but he kept playing games with me until “most recently” August. Every few weeks or months coming back with his “I’ve always loved you” bullshit! “Can’t live without you” until he gets what he wants and then is gone again. It’s actually when “the other woman” outs him and he’s looking for someone to….well you know the rest. I’ve learned the hard way! He was seeing her while we were together and then I somehow was “de-throned” and she moved up!
When he discarded me, I was so messed up that I had to see a therapist for the first time ever in my life. I had never known anyone like him in my life. I couldn’t understand WHY he was being so cruel when I had done nothing but good things for him. My therapist said the same thing you said about feeling the need to talk to him or have him say he’s sorry….”I just want to know that on some level it meant something to him too….that it was real.” But since then, he’s come back 5-10 times, said he’s sorry and three days later, walked all over my heart again! Screwed me over! Disappeared as quickly as he appeared after having hooked me all over again.
September 5th was the last time I spoke to him. I was in tears, telling him how much he meant to me….begging him to talk to me and having him YELL at me to “LEAVE HIM THE F**K ALONE!” Telling me he never wants to see me again. Never again will he have the opportunity to treat me like shit. To talk to me in that manner or that tone. But I think since I’ve made all the whole hearted attempts to forgive, I want him to reach out so that I can step all over him like he has stepped on me! I know it won’t really make a difference to him but it sure would feel good to reject him!
He has yelled, cursed and verbally abused me one too many times. There will definately not be another opportunity for him to do that to me!
Ann, I just read your note. It was very brave of you to write so honestly. When my mom died, I lost her not only physically, but emotionally as well through a bitter, mean note she left for me to find. I lost my brother and sister at the same time, emotionally. My brother has been unbelievable cruel to me.
I won’t give you any advice, there is good advice above, and I think you are are already finding your way. Good for you. Keep going. You sound like a wonderful person I would love to have for a friend. Go woman! If you are only 49, think back to how much has happened since you were 29….because you have (barring a catastrophe) at least another 20 years ahead of you and probably more. Think of all the living that is! I think you are going to be able to create a much better next 20 years.
lostingrief, your post is inspiring. What a lot of growth! Sarasims, the P I was involved with dumped and discarded me, then would come back, over and over. Been there done that. Believe me, I know how you feel.
You HAVE rejected him. When they reject us and finally DO stay away, it is because, and ONLY because, they have picked up that we have started waking up, started asking the right questions, or even just wanting a REAL relationship, where they mean something to us and we mean something to them….and they know the jig is up. That is NOT what they want. They want to be in total control and have their cake and eat it too, and the cake is not to demand a single thing or want love or anything like that! So they make the big final dump! But if they get one wiff that they might be able to pull it off one last time , they will be back, especially if there is no other woman around at the moment.
AND not hearing from you is the cruelest way to reject him. Do you think he doesn’t know what that means? Of course he does! when he said for you to leave him the f alone, and that he never wanted to see you again….he did. On your knees, bleeding.
Sadly, though, I think some of them just “change the channel” and never give us another thought. But if they do, NC is what drives them nuts.
So have a game plan if he does try to contact you. Start singing “There must be 50 ways to leave your lover” 🙂
Hi justabouthealed, thank you for reminding me of that. YOU are inspiring too. So many of you have found your way through this mess…..just like lostingrief said….she posted the EXACT thing a year ago. Today, it’s what keeps me going.
Someone else here told me the same thing….maybe it was you in a different way….that by me demanding he be truthful and continuing to ask questions….and finally sending an email that told him that I knew the truth about everything…..I had set my boundaries and actually told him to “Take a hike!” without even saying the words. It makes perfect sense, bc whenever I knew the truth to one of his lies, he would become sooooo very angry, loud, abusive in tone and words toward me. Telling me I was crazy. I guess he knew he could no longer continue covering his tracks.
It’s so crazy, I move along and feel so very strong…it’s like 2 steps forward and then 3 backwards. I start asking the same questions just to make sure I heard the answer right. “Is that really the way they are?” Just wanting to be sure it’s not me.
I could walk up to him tomorrow and say “hey, you know what, I don’t want to fight, I just want to be your friend and know that some part of us was good” and he’d look at me and say “Leave me the f**k alone!” (his favorite words). But when HE decides it’s okay to call, he will be the nicest guy ever…apologizing, saying how nervous he is around me, and that he wants things to be like they were before. That’s CRAZY to me….does he not see that behavior like that is insane?? I get it but I don’t. I STILL just can’t see how a person like this can be real.
I cringe at the thought of crying my tears to him. Telling him how much I loved him. Wasting my thoughts on him. But they are so uncontrollable. I’ve said it before so many times….my HEAD knows the truth but my HEART hasn’t caught up.
I may be forced to see him on Sunday and I’m terrified! I know he won’t even look at me – he’ll act as if I’m not worthy of him. And my head will be spinning….my stomach sick!
Sarasims… your daughter sounds adorable!! I’m sorry you are going through all this. I didn’t answer the phone today when the assclown tried to call me, then I spent the rest of the day wishing he’d call back. I am feeling either bored or lonely, can’t figure it out, this would not be a good time for me to talk to him. I don’t understand myself so I am glad you brought up this subject today. If you do see f*ck-face on Sunday use Oxy’s potted plant idea or Skylar’s boring theory!!!
All I can say is I am speechless…I have not EVER had anyone take the time to write to ME, to care about ME, to care about my life and teach me how to do this. I am so grateful to have found this group.
I saw my counselor today and she said almost word for word what Kathleen Hawk said. My counselor told me that instead of trying to understand him, I need to be angry at him for the injustice he has done to me and our children. and I need to work on myself. I have not really gotten very angry yet. I just keep trying to understand, and it is true, there is no understanding this selfish, narcissistic passive aggressive sociopath. I need to understand ME. So much of what I have read in these blogs is just astounding to me because it has all happened to ME, and I have never personally met anyone who has been through all the abuse, and when family members die, as my mother did, I took care of her in my own home, then my brothers emotionally abused me and disowned me, never one thank you, no help picking out her casket or arranging her funeral…I did it all myself. I came from a family of abusive men, 4 of them, 5 if you count my soon to be ex husband. I see that this has happened to other ppl, like justabouthealed. Matt: I have read the Betrayal Bond and Without Conscience. I am anxious to read “If you Had Controlling Parents” (which I DID). Any other books that ppl think are good please tell me, I am an avid reader. MY RN license is current, I can go back to work, but I have so many health problems at the moment. The health problems are what propelled me to file for divorce, I know I will remain in this state till He is completely out of my life. I have managed the “no Contact”. He is doing the same to me, but my counselor says he is ‘punishing me”, (as IF I have not been punished ENOUGH). I have NO idea about divorce, I am reading up on it, but Kansas is a No-Fault divorce state. So he gave me Herpes, and lied and said “I have NEVER had sex with ANYONE since we have been married. For GODS sakes he has had SO many affairs, I have found him signed up on Adult and Dating websites, requesting, right there in black and white, “I am looking for a discreet affair to spice up my boring life”. When I confronted him with that one, his lie was really something. He is a computer programmer, and he told me that he was “practicing writing java script, my boss even gave me permission!” When I did not believe him, he was FURIOUS. He gets FURIOUS when I don’t believe his ludicrous lies. When he beats me up, he gets furious. NEVER ONCE has he apologized for beating me up, he ALWAYS says that I provoked him or even denies that he hit me!! I was THERE, I have a torn rotator cuff from being pushed down the back porch steps! The unfortunate part is that he BELIEVES his own LIES. Unbelievable.
So if anyone knows of any good books, let me know. My mother was a narcissist, so I am used to catering to N’s. That is where it all started, and with the physical abuse from my father.
Thornbud: you must be having an upper endoscopy? Where they go down the esophagus with a camera at the end of a tube? I had one done without anesthesia, not fun at all, but fortunately it does not last long. Usually nowadays they give versed or valium first. What country do you live in that will not allow you to have anesthesia? In this day and age, with all of the available analgesics and relaxants, I don’t understand why they will not give you that. It is much different than ‘anesthesia”. It just helps the patient relax.
Tomorrow I am going with a friend down to Dallas to a ‘Relay for Life” convention. Thanks to all of you who have listened and shared. This site is the best thing that has happened to me for a long time. Bless you all! You have all given me such good sound advice and a shoulder and I appreciate it so much!!!! You all give me HOPE. Ann
ann1961… Hi… I was thinking about you today and I’m glad you got away from him and that he can’t beat you anymore. I’ve heard about Relay for Life and I think it’s great that you are participating in that!! Yeah, he might think he’s punishing you, but you know the truth now! You have some power in your hands now!!!
Dear Ann,
Yes, this is an amazing place indeed. So many insights and thoughts to help you heal.
My SP did the same time. Every time I caught him in a lie…..he would become FURIOUS. And try to turn it around on me. Make me the crazy one. Funny…they all seem to be made from the same cookie cutters! He soon found that I was smarter than he thought and wouldn’t fall for his crazy s**t! But my heart goes out to you for having to deal with the physical abuse. Mine was mental and was bad enough. People tell you….just leave, get out! It sounds so easy but it’s NOT. Everyone here knows that.
I did want to share a book title with you. I found this book by accident when looking for some other suggested reading. It is called The Manipulative Man by Dorothy McCoy and it identifies several different manipulative behaviors – everything from SP/P/N…etc and I have found it enlightening! I don’t really think these guys have just one disorder. Mine CERTAINLY is a combination of many different ones. I read this book saying to myself…..OMG IT ALL MAKES SENSE! And even though I still question WHY it makes sense and why he has to be that way…..I now know it’s not my fault.
shabbychic,
Hey and thanks for the post! Yes, my daughter keeps me going. She is my inspiration and reason for waking every day. She is very sharing and caring….always thinking of her mother. I am very blessed.
I know what you mean about wanting him to call back. I want mine to reach out so badly – even though I know what I need to do when he does! How do they have that way of making us melt w/a few sweet and flowery words when they treat us like shit 99% of the time??!!