By Ox Drover
In Part I we looked at what grief is and what “stages” we may pass through when we lose something or someone of great importance to us. We saw that grief can be “legitimate,” in which others “support us” by validating that we have a reason to be sad over the loss. Yet, there can be “disenfranchised” grief, grief that others do not view as “legitimate” reasons for grief, or shameful private grief that we cannot share.
In their attempts to “help” us, many people make fumbling attempts to “cheer us up” or to trivialize our pain, or attach “reasonable” time limits to how long we are able to grieve, which disenfranchises our pain.
Since most people view “grief” as equal to “Sadness,” the other stages of grief, which include Denial, Anger, Bargaining, and Acceptance, are not necessarily seen as parts of “grief processing.” Especially the stages of anger and bargaining may make the grieving person appear to be “crazy” to observers.
The sudden and irrational angry outbursts that we experience are just as much a part of our processing our grief as a crying bout is. Yet, this scares away and shoves away friends and would-be support, because they don’t understand the grieving process or why we would be so angry.
The bargaining stage, in which we may try to stop the pain by making deals with either God or the devil himself, is also another stage not understood by many of our family and friends, or the public in general. I think this is the stage that many victims of psychopaths are in when they go back again to an abusive relationship. “The devil you know is less scary than the devil you don’t know.”
Processing the roller coaster of feelings
Our grief over the losses of our deeply felt relationships with the psychopaths in our lives is just as valid and just as real as any other grief over any other important loss. Accepting that our grief is real to us, and that is all that matters, is our first task. Our pain is real; our pain is valid. We have a right to feel our pain. To experience the grief is our right! To express that pain without being devalued or disenfranchised is also our right.
Sometimes there is no one else who can or will validate that our pain is genuine, real and our right. In fact, many times others in our lives trivialize our pain, or emotions, or try to make us appear “crazy” for feeling as we do, for hurting, or even deny that any loss occurred. We must validate our own loss, our own pain, sometimes without the outside support, without the supportive presence of empathetic others. In a state of acute grief and pain, this is a difficult thing for us to accomplish.
Understanding the “roller coaster” nature of grief, the rapid cycling of one “stage” to another and back again, sometimes in a matter of minutes or hours, can keep us confused, and those in our environment confused, about whether we are “sane” or not! This rapid cycling of emotions, “okay” one moment, wildly crying the next, or angry and striking out, or trying to find some way to stop the pain by healing the relationship we lost, literally making a bargain with the “devil” psychopath, is the “normal” course of processing our grief and pain.
How long will this go on?
Until it is over.
Though there are trends in grief processing, each of us is an individual who will process through the grief at our own rate, in our own time and our own way. There are several things that will affect the “time line” in grief processing. The first thing, of course, is the depth of the loss. How much did this loss mean to you? How big was the loss?
Another thing that will impact the amount of time needed to process grief is having had prior experiences with grief that were positively resolved into acceptance. We learn how to process grief just like we learn to walk, a little bit at a time, and by practice. A child may learn to grieve over a loss of a beloved pet, yet some parents deprive this child of this learning exercise in the mistaken belief that they are “cheering up” the child when the day after the beloved puppy dies, the parents run out and buy Junior another puppy. Depriving a child of valid grief, the valuable learning experience of grieving, is not arming that child for later life which will be filled with losses in one form or another. So, the effects, either positive or negative, you have had with experiencing grief will effect how you process grief in the future.
Knowing what to expect in the grief process, and being able to name it, will affect the length of grieving. Though I professionally “knew” about grief and the processes we go through in resolving this emotional roller coaster, I was not “immune” to the feelings by my knowing. We cannot intellectually go around our pain, under it, or over it, we must go through the pain of the grief. There are no “short cuts.”
Multiple losses
The number of other losses that happen at the same time will affect how long the processing of grief lasts. Sometimes there are so many losses in a relationship with a psychopath that grieving for all of the losses at the same time is impossible. Because of the magnitude of grieving for all the losses at once, sometimes we are forced to put some losses on the back burner, so to speak, to deal with later. In my own experience, I found dealing with them individually for the most part was easier for me to handle than to try to lump them all together into one huge mass of loss which seemed too big and daunting to even tackle.
Because I dealt with them one at a time, it seemed to me the grieving over one thing or another went on for “decades.” As soon as I got one thing resolved, I had to tackle another one. This was very tiring and discouraging for me at times, but the burdens slowly lifted, and it seemed to me that the grief over each succeeding loss was less painful than the previous ones, that my experiences had made it easier for me to process, and quicker.
Validation
How much support we getand how we are validated affects the time needed to process the grief of our losses. When we are disenfranchised, or our grief is devalued or trivialized, we spend our time trying to validate the grief rather than resolving it. We try to “prove” to others that our grief is real.
Sometimes even well intentioned people who are trying to support and comfort us say the absolutely wrong thing, such as, “I know how you feel,” or, “It was meant to be,” or, “You will be okay,” at a time when we know they do not know how we feel, and that we feel we will never be okay again, and how could it be “meant” for us to hurt like this!?! We may fly into an emotional rage of pain and anguish.
How long? As long as it takes, without artificial limits from others like, “You should be over this now and move on with your life.” Also without artificial limits and time lines imposed by ourselves. “It’s been over a year now, I should be dating already.” Distracting yourself from the grief of one loss with another “new puppy” is not going to allow complete resolution of the first loss. Reaching the “acceptance” stage at one point, may not be staying there—remember the “roller coaster.” Giving yourself time to reach and remain in the acceptance stage for a time of peace, calm and quiet, is important. Don’t try to rush things!
10 Tips to support yourself in grieving:
- Listen—listen to your own pain, thoughts and feelings.
- Validate those feelings—yes they are real and I have a right to feel that way.
- Be kind to yourself—take time for yourself without guilt, you deserve it.
- Don’t put artificial time limits on your grief—it lasts as long as it does.
- Do know that though you don’t feel like it this minute—you will be okay.
- Reach out for support from others—talk about your pain to others who will listen.
- Come to Lovefraud and read and learn and receive support and validation.
- Distance yourself from stressful situations (and people) as much as possible.
- Decrease and delay voluntary and unnecessary changes in your life, if possible.
- Forgive yourself—you deserve it!
Dear Ann,
Kathy gave you some amazing advice, and I totally agree with her. It is about YOU. I am also a nurse (retired APN) and you know, there are lots of medical and nursing folks here! I think because we are caregivers.
I am so glad that you are NC with this jerk, and away from that hyena pack of your brothers as well. TAKE CARE OF YOU, first and foremost! Focus on YOU.
I agree with the “if you had controlling parents” book suggestion, because these controlling parents set us up for a controlling relationship with others—not only our spouses, but others in our family as well, and even “friends” so take care of YOU and don’t feel guilty about it in the least.
I’m glad your soon-to-be-X is “punishing you” by refusing to speak to you, that is A GREAT AND WONDERFUL GIFT TO YOU, so see that as a blessing! God bless you as you heal (((Hugs))))
Ann,
You wrote “The unfortunate part is that he BELIEVES his own LIES.” That is true. He is emotionally retarded. Trying to get closure with him, trying to get even with him, trying to get him to apologize and realize his impact, trying to make him realize that now you are on to him, trying to get him to stop doing this to others…..it is all futile. He is emotionally retarded. It is like trying to teach calculus to a mentally retarded person. Doesn’t matter how skilled you are….IT AIN’T GONNA HAPPEN!
With a retarded adult, if you stop relating to them as an adult, and start relating to their mental age, then it all fits, except the sexuality can be blatant. Likewise, we have to realize that the evil person in our life has the emotional reasoning power of about a two year old . MINE, MINE, MINE!!!! NO! NO! NO! Except that the abuse can be potent. Sexual, physical, emotional etc. I guess a two to four year old could really hurt your feelings too, if you took seriously their “I HATE YOU! YOU ARE THE MEANEST MOMMY!” But we know not to. And now we know not to with the evil people in our life.
I do believe that sometimes they KNOW they are lying, and other times their self-defenses are so strong that they can’t see the truth.
I am not a P. But due to the way I was raised, for a long time, I couldn’t see that I was a controlling person at all! I just thought I was extremely helpful. 🙂 I thought if you loved someone, you pointed out their flaws, and got mad if they didn’t change. Well, FINALLY, I instantly recognize when I start to be controlling. I still get the prompt from my past and it takes WILL on my end to not give in to that urge, but I am able to “put a sock in it.” And not act on it.
I can believe that SOME of what P’s do is unconscious. But not all. The P I was involved with KNOWINGLY choose to withhold information from me. KNOWINGLY chose to deceive me. But at times, some of the nice things (as nice as he got) that he said, I think he believed at the time, because he was on a narcissistic high. And some of the uglies things he said or did, I think he believed at the time, because he was suffering from a narcissistic injury. But his self defenses would never let him admit anything more than “yes, I’ve done reversals, but never premeditated.” THAT I think was a lie. LOL! Who knows. They are impossible to figure out, and it is a waste of time.
I have a dilemma. I certainly am not very knowledgeable about divorce, what is supposed to happen, etc. My doctor wrorte my attorney a letter when I first filed for divorce, which was August 28, asking my lawyer to grant an ’emergency divorce” due to my failing health. My attorney said that there is no way we can get an emergency divorce, too many things to divide up. . As I predicted, my husband is being uncooperative and obstructive, and has refused to sign the divorce papers. . My lawyer sent him the divorce papers as a courtesty, telling him to sign them and bring them to his office within 10 days, or the sheriff would serve the papers to him. . Of course, my husband did not sign the papers, so the sheriff ended up serving him the divorce papers, telling my husband that he needed to have them singed wtihin 20 days of receiving the summons from the sheriff. Well of course, he has not signed them. He is completely uncooperative and rebellious. In the meantime, my husbands is worlking and I continue to manage the money and pay the bllls. I am currently not working, (for the first time in my life) because i had back surgery and have had NOTHING but helath problems. In the beginning of this divorce, my husband agreed to be cooperative (why did I believe him???). Unbeknownst to me, he ended up taking 2 books of checks out of our box of extra checks, and he is writing checks and not communicating to me what the amounts are. I have asked him several times to please email me with check amounts so I could keep the money straight. I asked him several times, and he always said “Oh yeah, I will send them. to your emaiil.” He doesn’t send his check amounts, I have to beg and I am not begging anymore. I am not sure what to do here.
Also, my husband is living with his pot-head doctor friend. He STILL hasn’t called his daughters, and our oldest daughter is married and expecting our first grandchild in Feb 2010. He doesn’t call her, he simply does NOT CARE about any of us anymore! He has always given the ‘silent treatment’, but this is extreme. I don’t understand, though I feel better not talking to him. I just wonder, how will be divide up our things if he is unwilling to talk or communicate?
My point here, is that I want to start rebuilding my life. This ordeal with him not signing is prolonging everything. I live in Limbo, constantly, I have for several years. I do not want to call my husband, of course many times I have wanted to, to ask questions about dividing up property and such, but I refrain. The lack of communication is absurd; my counselor says he is ‘punishing’ me, I guess he is punishing me for him beating me up, per usual. He is furious that he beat me up. What the he##?
What should I do? My lawyer says that the divorce will happen, but what my husband is doing is prolonging everything. I am nervous, my future is on hold, I need to know some facts before I can make decisions for my life.
Does anyone have any suggestion about what to do in this case? Also, I have absolutely NO CLUE what a ‘fair’ divorce settlement is, and in Kansas, it is just all up to the judge. I would like some suggestions whee do I go from here? Do I just keep waiting around? We do not have much equity in our home, we recently refinanced, and frankly, I do not want to stay here even though we have lived here a long tiime. He told me he wanted the house, we have no equity in it, it appraised at $120,000/ We have a loan on it for $97000.00. He told me he wants $20 grand out of his retirement, and I could have the rest, about $70 grand. Of course, his words are completely meaningless so I cannot take that at face value. I need to have someone help me with this. Is this fair? I have NO CLUE. (I thought I was going to be married forever). What about life insurance? Do I have any rights to his life insurance? I would appreciate some help with this. My lawyer says that I will get some ‘monthly maintenance. I have no idea how much that will be, neither does my lawer. Does anyone have any clue or idea on this? I just don’t know what to expect with all the money crap. I would like some advice here, in a fairly simplified version. I appreciate each and every one of you. Ann
Good morning, Ann.
I wish I had some advise for you, but unfortunately, I don’t.
I just wanted to say hello. I’m sure Erin, and also Matt, can advise you on this. Good luck.
Dear Ann, I am just catching up with all the blogs, and I also want to say hello and welcome! I can so relate to you because I am born 1962 and I just discovered 18 months ago that I have been in abusive relationships from day 1 of my birth! My parents are a S (father) and a N (mother), and my two siblings also treat me like the scapegoat.
I can’t give you advice on money and divorce, but maybe some hints on “restart the life”?
First a big Hooray that you discovered that there were other people than yourself steering on your way of life, and that the road was not the one you intended to be on. Now I think you made a full stop and are still somewhat shaken by the impact and overwhelemed by the silence (no more drama!!!) and there are no signposts where you are and and which direction to take. And your “car” is actually in a bad shape.
First of all: take your time to look around, fix the car! and most of all: be gentle with yourself and enjoy the silence! You can have drama anytime you want by calling your horrible brothers or contacting the hopefully soon-to-be X.
It took me a LONG time to be able to tolerate the silence, even enjoy it, and not thinking of “sitting around and wait”, and I had the constant urge to call the X. I had my sister who patiently took all the calls and we joked about “Lovesick anonymous helpline”.
I suggest you to come here and vent and rant and get advice and support. LF has been my lifeline for 15 months now (my sister hinted that X is a psychopath, and voilà I found LF!). I come also from an abusive background, and we have a long pedigree of N and S and the like. X was just the eye opener for a BIG can of worms I was carrying with me all my life not knowing about (no wonder I am also in the medical business 😉 )
Most important, take one step after the other! Be kind to yourself. Enjoy the NON-drama, the calm, the peace, the fresh air, the non-belitteling, the non-put-downers. Talk with your children, but not with HIM.
I had a awful nurse in my department who went non contact with me for no reason (“silent reatment”). My sister suggested “what should I discuss with this horrible person besides the written orders she proceeded to my complete satisfaction” (I am an MD)? I should see it as THE PERFECT HARMONIOUS BEST POSSIBLE RELATIONSHIP I could have with this devil. So it was ME going NC doing the potted plant treatment and not her ignoring me! Or as someone said yesterday: THose who drain get the flush! (I love THAT!)
Often we can’t change the circumstances we just can change the point of view about the circumstances. This helped me a lot, and I now feel quite comfi having taken back the command of the steering weel.
I wish you a peaceful sunday!
Great advise, Libelle. And yes, It’s like putting on a new pair of glasses, at first all we see is the ugliness, but after awhile, we realize, “It’s gonna be a bright, bright, sunshiney day.”
Thank you Kim! It took me a long time to find the appropriate pair of extra discerning glasses to see the manure part in the shit! It depends on the location, and you have to see both, first to aknowledge that it is really shit, that it is awful, that it stinks, that it seems to be everywhere, even if you do not see it it is smelling very bad EVERYWHERE! And it is so sticky!
But in a second part you can think of where to put the shit that it might be useful somehow.
Recently I went with my P-father to the Golf club where he is a honorable member, and he presented me to the waitress with “My daughter the spinster who could be your mother”! I felt VERY uneasy but could make a joke and play over it because I thought people know my father and his original “signature put downers”.
Afterwards he introduced me to some of his favourite “buddies”, in fact he calls them his “friends” as he spends most of the time with them. As I mentioned that I did not have a handicap one of his “friends” looked quite long at me and said” You do not need a handicap, you got your father”. I just could reply “I could not have said it better”. They soon left, and my father behaved as if “it did not happen”. THEY KNOW HIM FOR WHAT HE IS!!!! Towanda!
I am so glad being not emotionally attached to them anymore! That’s the manure part for me, flourishing on my own, building strong roots for myself and the people I really care for!
Ann, I am also a Catholic and I am a firm believer in “Help thyself so God is helping you” as I think your inner spark has done some work finding LF and finding a lawyer and finding a counselor and the like! You can be proud of yourself!!
You just go on with your life and let time heal and let karma do its work! I think in the end they all get what they deserve, no friends, no family, just loneliness and favors they have to pay for.
Libelle, That is a great post:)x
G’Morning Ann, Libelle, Kim,
That was a good analogy about putting on glasses.
I’m still getting used to those glasses, and I have to take them off every once in a while because I can’t stand to see the ugliness. But whenever I have any questionable social interaction to deal with, I put them back on.
Hi blueskies,
I didn’t see you there. good morning.