By Ox Drover
In Part I we looked at what grief is and what “stages” we may pass through when we lose something or someone of great importance to us. We saw that grief can be “legitimate,” in which others “support us” by validating that we have a reason to be sad over the loss. Yet, there can be “disenfranchised” grief, grief that others do not view as “legitimate” reasons for grief, or shameful private grief that we cannot share.
In their attempts to “help” us, many people make fumbling attempts to “cheer us up” or to trivialize our pain, or attach “reasonable” time limits to how long we are able to grieve, which disenfranchises our pain.
Since most people view “grief” as equal to “Sadness,” the other stages of grief, which include Denial, Anger, Bargaining, and Acceptance, are not necessarily seen as parts of “grief processing.” Especially the stages of anger and bargaining may make the grieving person appear to be “crazy” to observers.
The sudden and irrational angry outbursts that we experience are just as much a part of our processing our grief as a crying bout is. Yet, this scares away and shoves away friends and would-be support, because they don’t understand the grieving process or why we would be so angry.
The bargaining stage, in which we may try to stop the pain by making deals with either God or the devil himself, is also another stage not understood by many of our family and friends, or the public in general. I think this is the stage that many victims of psychopaths are in when they go back again to an abusive relationship. “The devil you know is less scary than the devil you don’t know.”
Processing the roller coaster of feelings
Our grief over the losses of our deeply felt relationships with the psychopaths in our lives is just as valid and just as real as any other grief over any other important loss. Accepting that our grief is real to us, and that is all that matters, is our first task. Our pain is real; our pain is valid. We have a right to feel our pain. To experience the grief is our right! To express that pain without being devalued or disenfranchised is also our right.
Sometimes there is no one else who can or will validate that our pain is genuine, real and our right. In fact, many times others in our lives trivialize our pain, or emotions, or try to make us appear “crazy” for feeling as we do, for hurting, or even deny that any loss occurred. We must validate our own loss, our own pain, sometimes without the outside support, without the supportive presence of empathetic others. In a state of acute grief and pain, this is a difficult thing for us to accomplish.
Understanding the “roller coaster” nature of grief, the rapid cycling of one “stage” to another and back again, sometimes in a matter of minutes or hours, can keep us confused, and those in our environment confused, about whether we are “sane” or not! This rapid cycling of emotions, “okay” one moment, wildly crying the next, or angry and striking out, or trying to find some way to stop the pain by healing the relationship we lost, literally making a bargain with the “devil” psychopath, is the “normal” course of processing our grief and pain.
How long will this go on?
Until it is over.
Though there are trends in grief processing, each of us is an individual who will process through the grief at our own rate, in our own time and our own way. There are several things that will affect the “time line” in grief processing. The first thing, of course, is the depth of the loss. How much did this loss mean to you? How big was the loss?
Another thing that will impact the amount of time needed to process grief is having had prior experiences with grief that were positively resolved into acceptance. We learn how to process grief just like we learn to walk, a little bit at a time, and by practice. A child may learn to grieve over a loss of a beloved pet, yet some parents deprive this child of this learning exercise in the mistaken belief that they are “cheering up” the child when the day after the beloved puppy dies, the parents run out and buy Junior another puppy. Depriving a child of valid grief, the valuable learning experience of grieving, is not arming that child for later life which will be filled with losses in one form or another. So, the effects, either positive or negative, you have had with experiencing grief will effect how you process grief in the future.
Knowing what to expect in the grief process, and being able to name it, will affect the length of grieving. Though I professionally “knew” about grief and the processes we go through in resolving this emotional roller coaster, I was not “immune” to the feelings by my knowing. We cannot intellectually go around our pain, under it, or over it, we must go through the pain of the grief. There are no “short cuts.”
Multiple losses
The number of other losses that happen at the same time will affect how long the processing of grief lasts. Sometimes there are so many losses in a relationship with a psychopath that grieving for all of the losses at the same time is impossible. Because of the magnitude of grieving for all the losses at once, sometimes we are forced to put some losses on the back burner, so to speak, to deal with later. In my own experience, I found dealing with them individually for the most part was easier for me to handle than to try to lump them all together into one huge mass of loss which seemed too big and daunting to even tackle.
Because I dealt with them one at a time, it seemed to me the grieving over one thing or another went on for “decades.” As soon as I got one thing resolved, I had to tackle another one. This was very tiring and discouraging for me at times, but the burdens slowly lifted, and it seemed to me that the grief over each succeeding loss was less painful than the previous ones, that my experiences had made it easier for me to process, and quicker.
Validation
How much support we getand how we are validated affects the time needed to process the grief of our losses. When we are disenfranchised, or our grief is devalued or trivialized, we spend our time trying to validate the grief rather than resolving it. We try to “prove” to others that our grief is real.
Sometimes even well intentioned people who are trying to support and comfort us say the absolutely wrong thing, such as, “I know how you feel,” or, “It was meant to be,” or, “You will be okay,” at a time when we know they do not know how we feel, and that we feel we will never be okay again, and how could it be “meant” for us to hurt like this!?! We may fly into an emotional rage of pain and anguish.
How long? As long as it takes, without artificial limits from others like, “You should be over this now and move on with your life.” Also without artificial limits and time lines imposed by ourselves. “It’s been over a year now, I should be dating already.” Distracting yourself from the grief of one loss with another “new puppy” is not going to allow complete resolution of the first loss. Reaching the “acceptance” stage at one point, may not be staying there—remember the “roller coaster.” Giving yourself time to reach and remain in the acceptance stage for a time of peace, calm and quiet, is important. Don’t try to rush things!
10 Tips to support yourself in grieving:
- Listen—listen to your own pain, thoughts and feelings.
- Validate those feelings—yes they are real and I have a right to feel that way.
- Be kind to yourself—take time for yourself without guilt, you deserve it.
- Don’t put artificial time limits on your grief—it lasts as long as it does.
- Do know that though you don’t feel like it this minute—you will be okay.
- Reach out for support from others—talk about your pain to others who will listen.
- Come to Lovefraud and read and learn and receive support and validation.
- Distance yourself from stressful situations (and people) as much as possible.
- Decrease and delay voluntary and unnecessary changes in your life, if possible.
- Forgive yourself—you deserve it!
Anne1961:
First off, read all you can about divorce, assets, divorcing a high conflict person.
If he so kindly ‘gives’ you the rest of the retirement…..there are major tax consequences….that might not be suitable to your situation.
To me that is not a gift.
But, first and foremost….you may be able to get a default judgement if he didn’t answer the complaint in the 20 days he legally had to do this……
It’s important to go NC…period…..he can write his thoughts down in regards to ‘technical’ issues of the divorce….
Everything MUST be in writing…..
First and foremost…I would persue the default judgement…ask your attorney about no response……
Have NO expectations except evil from him….and DO NOT TAKE ANYTHING PERSONALLY! Your kids….NOTHING….
He won’t change!
If the divorce is allowed to proceed…..learn ALL you can on divorcing a toxic person….ther is a lot of info on the web….and here….
It’s NOT a normal process with these people…remember how special they are? Well, their specialness doesn’t stop in the courts…..
Keep posting, keep learning and educating yourself….your going to earn a phd in these behaviors real quick…..it will be very helpful to you!
Good luck and remain in control of YOU!
XXOO
Dear Kim,
Well, it is 50 degrees outside, the humidity is 100% and I still haven’t seen a single indication that there is a sun out there in DAYS and DAYS—the guys are still cleaning guns, but they are keeping them AWAY FROM ME! LOL I am drinking coffee, and here on LF—you can tell when the sun DOES come out because I WON’T BE HERE THAT DAY!!! LOL
One year we had 31 days in a ROW of GLOOM and/or rain, in the winter time and I worked in a clinic with out windows, so at the end of the 31 days I was HOMICIDAL. LOL My husband was jokingly hanging GARLIC around his neck and making the sign of the cross when I walked through a room! they used to do the same thing when I sat down to pay bills—oh, gosh how I hate that chore! I think I am SOLAR POWERED and I sure miss the sunshine! But I guess when the WORST thing I have to biatch about is the WEATHER, my life must be pretty GOOD!
It is interesting about biatching. There has been some research about patient complaints in hospitals. There is a direct correlation between patient complaints and quality of care. If patients are NOT complaining about the FOOD, the hospital care is poor, and if patients ARE complaining about the food, the care is GOOD. It seems that we (humans) must have something to biatch about! I guess I am no exception. so when things are going well, I complain about the weather—so from now on when I am complaining about the weather, you can congratulate me for having everything else going well! (((hugs)))
Skylar, I watch a lot of forensic files, and coldcase files and true crime kind of shows. All of a sudden I’m remembering an incident that happened 20 years ago with my career military XN.
He was a workaholic, so spent very little time with me, but this one day had this great idea to go on a hike, on a portion of the apallation trail in Pennsylvania.
We were on the trail, and over-looking a cliff, when I realized he was standing behind me. I got cold chills all the way up my spine,and turned around to look at him, and he had the strangest look on his face. It scared the hell out of me.
I never really thought of him as dangerious before that, just neglegant and self-centered.
It still took me six more years to leave him. Sick.
Kim,
I can sort of relate.
After I was with the P I developed a fear of heights that I never had before. It’s like I knew there was danger but didn’t know where it was coming from. I just knew I couldn’t get close to anything where I could fall off.
I am down and out today. Yesterday I felt positive, now, I feel defeated again. These moods…….I need to find a book about rebuilding my life. I seriously need a step by step manual. when we are young, in our twenties, it is sort of mapped out: go to college, get a job, get married, have kids, and I did all that. However I did NOT anticipate all that has happened in the last 3-4 yrs, my husband’s acting out, cheating, etc. I feel frozen/paralyzed and don’t know where to start. I want to START, I want to rebuild. Any ideas? Any good books on the subject? When you start your life over during middle age, there are no social norms like there were when we were young. I am so confused, depressed. I have never had any self worth anyway, I had a very narcissistic mother and my brothers are, like Oxydrover said, are a pack of hyenas. (That made me laugh, still laughing about that one). So I have not had much in the way of self esteem most of my life. I just want to FEEL better. I am tired of being SAD. I have been SAD for a very long long time. My counselor said I need to start feeling angry at my husband, outraged, at the things he has done. I get mad occasionally, but I am not all that mad. I mainly just feel sad. Thanks for listening
Dear Ann,
Welcome to LF on a day the weather is gloomy and cold outside so I am here with you. Your emotions are NORMAL so go back and look at the grief process again. SAD is normal, and MAD is too, and sometimes because we have been raised the way we have been by the hyenas, we were not allowed to express our MAD, so we don’t learn how to BE mad.
You can’t FORCE a mad feeling, but you can RELEASE it.
I wish there were a “manual” about how to rebuild your life—there are a bunch of books out there that HELP you, but there are no 1-2-3 step books. I found that reading a VARIETY of books on self help, controling parents, trauma bonding, emotional vampires, and other books that I ipicked a piece here and a piece there to put my OWN MANUAL TOGETHER.
Also, each piece of teh puzzle needs to be there when the PLACE FOR IT TO ATTACK TO THE PICTURE is in place. If you take a “random piece” of the puzzle at any one time there may not be a place you can attach it at THAT MOMENT, but later, when you see the part it goes to, you remember and go back and pick it up and put it into place.
We start out learning about THEM, then little by little, like peeling an onion, we take off layer on layer until we get to the center and learn about OURSELVES.
I think just because you realize that there is a PROCESS to starting over is a GOOD START.
Now you don’t have to follow some one else’s blue print, you can CREATE YOUR OWN BLUEPRINT THAT IS YOU! Society does sort of lay down what is “expected “of us, but maybe following that blueprint doesn’t turn out so well, so we can now, with the FREEDOM that detatching from the P gives us, we can march to OUR OWN DRUMMER now. Not some one else’s. We can decide what is good for us, what WE want to do.
I have marched to other’s drum for far too long, and stiffled myself, my REAL self, and now I am “blooming”—and maybe some people don’t like my “bloom” or what I am becoming, or how I am flowering, but TOUGH! I am blooming for ME now. does that sound self centered? Egotistical? OKAY, if you think so, that’s OK, cause I am not looking to “you” (that is the UNIVERSAL “YOU”) to tell me or demand how I should live my life to make YOU happy!
The differences between me and the psycho paths, though, is I am NOT hurting others by how I live my life. I am being responsible for myself, I am making MY choices based on what I need to take care of me.
I suggest that you go looking through the articles here and look (you can search for it) BOOK REVIEW and there are excellent books reviewed and/or for sale here (or sometimes you can find them CHEAP on Amazon) that will give you a start on making your OWN UNIQUE plan for recovery.
Give yourself TIME too, and keep in mind that it is a ROLLER COASTER RIDE and not a level road. You are in a GREAT PLACE here to learn and for support while you learn and adapt to your NEW SELF, and my guess is that in time you too will have a WONDERFUL PEACE AND HAPPINESS YOU HAVE NEVER HAD BEFORE as you make your way in the rest of your life! I know at 62 (almost 63) I am happier and more at peace now than I have ever been! Is my life perfect? NOPE, but there are no abusers “close” to me now, and I am starting to enjoy the peace, joy and freedom I’ve never had before! The relationships I have with people now are GOOD ones and I can TRUST those I love and that love me—all the others are LONG GONE! I no longer live among hostile tribes! (((hugs))) and my prayers for your peace and recovery!
Ann:
You may have stiffled your feelings, become numb to them….You may need to learn how to feel mad and allow the anger….it is uncomfortable but necessary….It your conscience of it, it will come……and when it does…let it out….scream at the wall, hit the pillow, rehash any feeling that comes to the surface…..
Probably the best advice I can share with you currently is…..and remember this…..because it will make more sense as time passes….
During these hard times…..we must learn to even out the highs AND the lows….
Try to find a center point and stay on target…..it takes awareness at all times….but it makes you more aware of your emotional ‘place’.
As time passes and you feel on top of the world……you can’t cheat and allow that HIGH feeling, you must be aware to bring yourself back down to center……
When you are in your low times, like today……bring it back up to center……
Balance…..it will keep us going!
I’m sorry your having a down day……
XXOO
Oxdrover…thank you so much for your kind and informative words. However it is you are blooming, you are very giving and helping others, so what could be wrong with that? To me, selfishness is hurting other ppl, especially those whom we “love”, in our pursuing of our own needs and wants. If it doesn’t hurt other people, it doesn’t seem selfish. That is what my husband did. It was ok with me that all of his free time was spent doing his many various hobbies, until it infringed upon time with the children, time with me, and spending too much of our hard earned money on HIS hobbies. His selfishness really reared it’s ugly head when he had his affairs. He put his need for excitement and variety way ahead of our marriage, our vows, our family. It just ruined everything. The worst part of all, though, is that when he would get caught in one of his many affairs, it was ALWAYS MY FAULT. I DROVE him to it. He NEVER ONCE took the responsibility for his affairs. The most selfish thing of all, was when he gave me Herpes. I will have this the rest of my life, for a decision HE made, HE even made the decision, without my knowlege, of who I slept with by doing that to me. It is the most unfair, unjust and heartbreaking thing he ever did to me. I live in a “No Fault” divorce state, so TOO BAD for me! My lawyer told me that the judge would not care at all about my STD (that I will have the rest of my life) Is there NO justice in this world?
I am off the subject, I guess I needed to ventilate. I have been reading alot, and it has helped me immensely. What helped me the most though, was blogging on LF for the first time, I have NEVER done anything like that, and ppl actually responded to me and they cared! They were interested! They knew EXACTLY how I felt because most of them have been where I am! This has been the most therapeutic thing I have done.
I appreciate everyone’s kindness, knowledge, caring. This has helped me so much…for SO LONG I have had NO VOICE in this male chauvenisitic family I live in. LF has given me a voice, and ppl actually listened and responded. It has been very very validating, and I thank God for it everyday. I really do.
Thanks for responding, and caring.
Yes Erin I believe that ‘balance’ is so necessary. Is it mainly a matter of mind over matter? I have been SO emotional, I have never cried so much in my life, However I have noticed that even that is starting to level off a little bit. (Just as soon as I say that I will probably cry). Some days I have wondered if I have dehydrated myself and put myself into and electrolyte imbalance from all the crying. I have experienced the most profound loneliness of my entire life, however as painful as it has been, I know it is very very necessary. I can tell that in my loneliness I have grown the most. I also have noticed that since I have No Contact with my husband, my emotions are leveling out. I did not realize, till I got away from it, how emotionaly wrecked I felt, even just reading an email from him! I can definitely see how important NC is.
Dear Ann,
NC keeps them from wounding you AFRESH, so that is important….and that means even second or third hand information is breaking NC. At first it will be just physical NC– then it will be come EMOTIONAL NC, you will not even let him into you5r THOUGHTS. As time goes on, you will “decompress” from being apart from him. it is almost like a diver gets the “bends” from being too deep too long, and has to get the toxins out of their system slowly, or they will die. NC is painful at first as we get the toxins out, but becomes more and more “natural” and we start to ‘breathe normally” again.
Yes, we pine for “justice” and “closure”–we want them punished and to suffer and get what they “deserve” and in the end, we have to MAKE OUR OWN JUSTICE AND CLOSURE, and realize that God will take care of them in the end, and in the end, we come to acceptance of what IS, and peace. We grow and GAIN by having them OUT of our lives.
You are on your way, sweetie, and making good progress, but just let it flow and when you fall into the abyss on the road, just climb back out and keep on going. Put one foot in front of another and keep on. It may be some days you can’t even walk, you just have to crawl, and that is OK too.
YOU ARE IMPORTANT and you are NOT alone. There are people who care and it will not be long before you are sharing your strength with others who are having a bad day! Learning goes fast, putting it into practice comes slower, but we are all on that same journey! (((hugs)))) and prayers!