By Ox Drover
In Part I we looked at what grief is and what “stages” we may pass through when we lose something or someone of great importance to us. We saw that grief can be “legitimate,” in which others “support us” by validating that we have a reason to be sad over the loss. Yet, there can be “disenfranchised” grief, grief that others do not view as “legitimate” reasons for grief, or shameful private grief that we cannot share.
In their attempts to “help” us, many people make fumbling attempts to “cheer us up” or to trivialize our pain, or attach “reasonable” time limits to how long we are able to grieve, which disenfranchises our pain.
Since most people view “grief” as equal to “Sadness,” the other stages of grief, which include Denial, Anger, Bargaining, and Acceptance, are not necessarily seen as parts of “grief processing.” Especially the stages of anger and bargaining may make the grieving person appear to be “crazy” to observers.
The sudden and irrational angry outbursts that we experience are just as much a part of our processing our grief as a crying bout is. Yet, this scares away and shoves away friends and would-be support, because they don’t understand the grieving process or why we would be so angry.
The bargaining stage, in which we may try to stop the pain by making deals with either God or the devil himself, is also another stage not understood by many of our family and friends, or the public in general. I think this is the stage that many victims of psychopaths are in when they go back again to an abusive relationship. “The devil you know is less scary than the devil you don’t know.”
Processing the roller coaster of feelings
Our grief over the losses of our deeply felt relationships with the psychopaths in our lives is just as valid and just as real as any other grief over any other important loss. Accepting that our grief is real to us, and that is all that matters, is our first task. Our pain is real; our pain is valid. We have a right to feel our pain. To experience the grief is our right! To express that pain without being devalued or disenfranchised is also our right.
Sometimes there is no one else who can or will validate that our pain is genuine, real and our right. In fact, many times others in our lives trivialize our pain, or emotions, or try to make us appear “crazy” for feeling as we do, for hurting, or even deny that any loss occurred. We must validate our own loss, our own pain, sometimes without the outside support, without the supportive presence of empathetic others. In a state of acute grief and pain, this is a difficult thing for us to accomplish.
Understanding the “roller coaster” nature of grief, the rapid cycling of one “stage” to another and back again, sometimes in a matter of minutes or hours, can keep us confused, and those in our environment confused, about whether we are “sane” or not! This rapid cycling of emotions, “okay” one moment, wildly crying the next, or angry and striking out, or trying to find some way to stop the pain by healing the relationship we lost, literally making a bargain with the “devil” psychopath, is the “normal” course of processing our grief and pain.
How long will this go on?
Until it is over.
Though there are trends in grief processing, each of us is an individual who will process through the grief at our own rate, in our own time and our own way. There are several things that will affect the “time line” in grief processing. The first thing, of course, is the depth of the loss. How much did this loss mean to you? How big was the loss?
Another thing that will impact the amount of time needed to process grief is having had prior experiences with grief that were positively resolved into acceptance. We learn how to process grief just like we learn to walk, a little bit at a time, and by practice. A child may learn to grieve over a loss of a beloved pet, yet some parents deprive this child of this learning exercise in the mistaken belief that they are “cheering up” the child when the day after the beloved puppy dies, the parents run out and buy Junior another puppy. Depriving a child of valid grief, the valuable learning experience of grieving, is not arming that child for later life which will be filled with losses in one form or another. So, the effects, either positive or negative, you have had with experiencing grief will effect how you process grief in the future.
Knowing what to expect in the grief process, and being able to name it, will affect the length of grieving. Though I professionally “knew” about grief and the processes we go through in resolving this emotional roller coaster, I was not “immune” to the feelings by my knowing. We cannot intellectually go around our pain, under it, or over it, we must go through the pain of the grief. There are no “short cuts.”
Multiple losses
The number of other losses that happen at the same time will affect how long the processing of grief lasts. Sometimes there are so many losses in a relationship with a psychopath that grieving for all of the losses at the same time is impossible. Because of the magnitude of grieving for all the losses at once, sometimes we are forced to put some losses on the back burner, so to speak, to deal with later. In my own experience, I found dealing with them individually for the most part was easier for me to handle than to try to lump them all together into one huge mass of loss which seemed too big and daunting to even tackle.
Because I dealt with them one at a time, it seemed to me the grieving over one thing or another went on for “decades.” As soon as I got one thing resolved, I had to tackle another one. This was very tiring and discouraging for me at times, but the burdens slowly lifted, and it seemed to me that the grief over each succeeding loss was less painful than the previous ones, that my experiences had made it easier for me to process, and quicker.
Validation
How much support we getand how we are validated affects the time needed to process the grief of our losses. When we are disenfranchised, or our grief is devalued or trivialized, we spend our time trying to validate the grief rather than resolving it. We try to “prove” to others that our grief is real.
Sometimes even well intentioned people who are trying to support and comfort us say the absolutely wrong thing, such as, “I know how you feel,” or, “It was meant to be,” or, “You will be okay,” at a time when we know they do not know how we feel, and that we feel we will never be okay again, and how could it be “meant” for us to hurt like this!?! We may fly into an emotional rage of pain and anguish.
How long? As long as it takes, without artificial limits from others like, “You should be over this now and move on with your life.” Also without artificial limits and time lines imposed by ourselves. “It’s been over a year now, I should be dating already.” Distracting yourself from the grief of one loss with another “new puppy” is not going to allow complete resolution of the first loss. Reaching the “acceptance” stage at one point, may not be staying there—remember the “roller coaster.” Giving yourself time to reach and remain in the acceptance stage for a time of peace, calm and quiet, is important. Don’t try to rush things!
10 Tips to support yourself in grieving:
- Listen—listen to your own pain, thoughts and feelings.
- Validate those feelings—yes they are real and I have a right to feel that way.
- Be kind to yourself—take time for yourself without guilt, you deserve it.
- Don’t put artificial time limits on your grief—it lasts as long as it does.
- Do know that though you don’t feel like it this minute—you will be okay.
- Reach out for support from others—talk about your pain to others who will listen.
- Come to Lovefraud and read and learn and receive support and validation.
- Distance yourself from stressful situations (and people) as much as possible.
- Decrease and delay voluntary and unnecessary changes in your life, if possible.
- Forgive yourself—you deserve it!
Dear Erin,
Just in case I haven’t told you lately, I am SO GLAD that you are here at LF. Your voice of compassion, wisdom and good sense is so appreciated here! Your courage and back bone are good examples for all of us.
You give me some fresh perspectives to thinnk about different aspects of things. I have gained a great deal from your bloggs and I just wanted to say THANK YOU! (((hugs)))
Oh Oxy….how sweet of you!
Thank you!!!
The best part of my journey is being able to share it with others…..if there is just one piece of my life that others can gain value from, on any level…..WELL….no regrets!
You have been an invaluable person to my support system…..I remember you ‘giving’ me a golden skillet months ago….and I keep it close!
Your knowledge, availablility, writings and wisdom help so many of us.
Being in good company is a comfort…..and you are GOOD COMPANY!
Thanks again for your love….
XXO
EB
Ahem! a GOLDEN skillet? why do you get a GOLDEN skillet and all the rest of us just get BOINKED?
(OUCH!) ok, ok, she deserved a golden skillet. LOL! just kidding. Erin deserves more than that, so do you Oxy and so does everyone on LF, not just for being here or because of the P’s that brought us here, but because of who we are -compassionate and empathetic human beings. I hate to think it’s true, but we are perhaps, a rare breed.
Ann, the best gift your P could give you is realizing that your weakness is actually your strength. You are one of us. You are compassionate and feeling. Now you need to figure out how to use that in combination with your other gifts and strengths to become the REAL you.
I could not have said what Oxy and Erin said any better. You have a lot of grieving, reading, learning, and realizing to do. Just like we all did and still do. Then YOU will bloom.
My days are like this:
I hate what happened to me, Oh look how amazing this is, I’m so mad at the XP, Oh, isn’t this interesting, I’m mad at the injustice in the world, Oh, I’m so happy to have met these wonderful people, Why doesn’t God listen to me?, Oh, thank God that He is always watching out for me. etc….
The good and the bad form highs and lows. Erin is right, I have to try to balance them out.
Joseph Campbell answered your question about the owner’s manual for your life:
If you can see your path laid out
in front of you step by step,
you know it’s not your path.
Your own path you make with every step you take.
That’s why it’s your path.
http://www.sapphyr.net/smallgems/quotes-author-josephcampbell.htm
read more of his wisdom at the above link. He was a gift from God to the universe.
SKYLAR…..
I have laughed so much in the past few days by what you have written……THANKS!!! (My kids think I am a freak…belly laughing at my screen)!
AND….BTW…..if you keep lurking in those bushes…..you MIGHT just find that golden skillet…….. ON YOUR HEAD!!!
🙂
I love your inspirational quote….
THAT IS SO COOL!
I keep remembering years ago….I was in England driving aimlessly through the countryside…..I was teaching my kids how to read a map…We stopped for lunch in a quaint pub and carried on…..we drove the old county lanes…until we came up on a ‘fork’ in the road….I asked the kids….okay..what way now….and I pulled over to give them time to decide….
We had no idea where we were…..and they said….what if we get lost……My response…..how can we get lost, if we have no destination! Pick a way……and tell me where we are headed….
WE landed up in Whales……then eventually on the coast of England (Teingnmouth) with a boardwalk and arcade, rides and had a blast that night!
It’s like life…..we know we don’t want to remain HERE….but we are really not sure where we are going and what’s around the corner….we must keep going and making decisions to lead us to the next ‘place’….it may be good, it may be a place we wish to leave quick…..but it’s not wrong…..BECAUSE WE KEEP ON MOVING!
Eventually, we will find a place of comfort we wish to stay awhile.
Dear Skylar,
Thank you for that poetry, it is so sweet! And so are you my dear, and so caring! Everyone here that gives to others is so special and so prescious to me! Each of us have our different views and different ways of looking at things, but that is what makes this place so GRAND! We share!
I wish I could embrace each of you in my arms and tell you just how much you have meant. some special people have left here and moved on with their busy lives, but they have left behind things for US that are still here to pass on to others.
When I was in school, we observed a procedure, we did a procedure and then we TAUGHT a procedure. We were always learning AND always teaching, and that is what to me life is all about. By sharing our knowledge, our insights, and our thoughts, each of us becomes more wise, more knowledgable! (((hugs))))) Glad you are here too, Sky!
EB, glad to help, a belly laugh a day keeps the doctor away!
For some reason, Oxy, Tilly’s posts never really “got” to me. I felt like I was being “taught a procedure” by her anger and her demands for attention as much as when anyone else posts. I feel safe enough on LF that I knew she couldn’t really hurt me.
But, you are all probably right that too many here are too sensitive for any of that.
Maybe you can help me with your perspective on this.
I didn’t think her posts were harmful and actually thought they were interesting. I enjoyed thinking about her posts and why she would say things.
But now when I think about it, that’s what I thought about the P, too. It didn’t seem harmful, taken one fragment at a time, but over time (25 years) it came to be extremely harmful. The accumulation of his words and behavior created a destruction of both of our lives. When I think about what happened with Tilly, it appears that I’m still tolerant of bad behavior and it still doesn’t faze me. Is this a good thing or not? I like the fact that it doesn’t bother me, but then maybe I’m missing the “self-protection” signals that should be warning me of danger? Are my questions making sense to you?
anne1961:
For starters, stop being cooperative and trying to make him cooperate you with on this divorce. Ain’t gonna happen. He is not going to go away quietly.
Second, possession is 9/10s of the law. Clean out the joint checking account pronto, then close out the account and open a new account SOLELY in your name. Personally, I am surprised that HE hasn’t already done that. If you don’t do that, what the hell are you going to do for money? If he’s got his hands on all of it, do you think he is magically going to be cooperative and give you your fair share? Not in this lifetime.
Be proactive and do this now.
I am not a Kansas attorney, but most states fall into one of two categories — community property or equitable distribution. Theoretically equitable distribution is supposed to get you to the same place as community property — everything acquired during the marriage (excepting inheritances) is split 50/50.
Lovely in theory. However, as everybody on this site who has been involved with one of these subhumans can attest, they will delay, hide assets, waste assets (as your has with stripping equity out of the house), lie about assets, etc. You cannot take their word for anything. More to the point, your lawyer will be serving subpoenas on his employers, etc to get actual values on retirement accounts etc.
When it comes time to split up the assets, it will be done pursuant to QDROs (qualified domestic relations orders). This is where Ss get really nasty — because they have no incentive to cooperate and sign the things to get assets put into your name. Hell, my ex wasn’t an S and it was so bad getting her to cooperate I had to fight her in court for 3 years before the judge got fed up and told her to sign or get sent to jail on contempt charges (on XMAS Eve, no less).
ErinB has summed it up perfectly — you need to get proactive, get your hands on every piece of account documentation and everything else you can — WHILE YOU CAN. Your S hasn’t started retaliating yet — so make hay while you can. Because once he takes the gloves off, you think you’ve had it bad so far?
You are going to war. If you want what is rightfully yours, you have to view it as such. You are not working. You have got to get your hands on the joint checking account funds now. If you don’t, and he takes all the money, and then you have no way to pay the bills, you are going to be fighting from a position of extreme weakness. Not a good place to be fighting from. So, do it now — you’ll thank me later.
Dear Skylar,
Sweetie, I am not dis-ing you, in any way, but I would rather not discuss the behavior of another blogger on this site. I will discuss YOUR posts with YOU, or your opinions and my opinons WITH YOU, but I don’t think it is a good idea for you and me to discuss someone else.
I discussed Lily’s condition etc. because she ASKED ME TO, but as for discussing my opinion of someone else’s posts that were not directed to me I think we had better stick to direct conversation. I have discussed some of the TROLLING Ps that just “stopped by here” to make trouble, and then moved on, but I think probably that’s not even a good idea when I get to thinking about it.l
I have also discussed the behavior of various people I know or knew, but never even by “screen name” so that there was no chance they would be identifiable in any way.
Personally, I am FINALLY learning to form and set boundaries about who I reply to here and HOW I reply and whether or not I invest even enough energy in them to even CARE what they say to or about me.
As you know, I care very much about LF and the people who are on here to heal, and those people I invest a great deal of caring and energy in, because they are here to HEAL. I see that people come here in pain, and even though they may be IN pain, it is very little time until they are giving back to others, even from within their own pain. That observation of that giving spirit is what makes me “bond” with those people here who give back, but it is becoming easier and easier for me to let go of those people who want to take and take and take. NO NAMES intended or implied. Whether that “bonding” is in RL or here at LF.
GREAT ADVICE, MATT–thanks for coming to the rescue!!!
Oxy,
Ok, I get your drift. I get the feeling that I’m the only one who isn’t bothered by attacks so I’m wondering if I’m not “thinking correctly”. That’s very likely. If you knew the stuff I was thinking about my P, you would boink me so hard… so I’m not gonna tell you. 😛
I really do wish I had someone, like a twin, to bounce off my thoughts. LF is very close to being that for me, but there is still a barrier because of the obvious distance and lack of history/connection.
I doubt my own thinking process. Recently I found a site called
http://www.criticalthinking.org/
Perhaps those are the skills I lack. I’ll need to spend some time there, reading.
Dear Anne , a huge post to you disappeared just in cyberspace! It was all about what happened to me in the first days after I walked away from X.
Right so, you have to find your own pace/place/way to really get back on track and lead the life you want and desire. It is like a completely blank computer, you have to put on new programs, decide where are your priorities and how much space you want to give each of them.
I just saw that Matt responded to you! This is the most important; getting the finances in order. Without proper finances, all the other tips and hints are worthless because you can’t act without a free mind! So go and do the finances first, the rest will come later by itself.
You mentioned that there are no “norms” for “restart” at “old age” (LOL). I am 1 year your junior, but I had much less of a “norm life” than you have had (I have no kids, no home of my own just a rent flat, and I have not even been able to attract a man into my life so far after 18 months now but just work. As my father said “old spinster”).
BUT I know now at 47 much more than with 20something when I started to “build” my *original* life (I got into a profession that made it very hard to maintain any relationship, and in hindsight I think it was for a reason).
I had (the day after I left X!) to “move apartment” within my apartment because my P-father had someone to put the furniture ( two HUGE wardrobes I stored with them) into my tiny crammed flat. I got mad, and it was LOTS of hard work, but afterwards I felt much better as nothing reminded me in the flat of HIM anymore. The whole flat was having a completely new look.
Can you do this, at least to some extent? Get rid of HIS stuff and put it into a big box in the garage and redecorate the flat (putting the sofa under another window or changing the pictures on the wall?)
Next thing I started was being nice with myself, by trying to eat healthy stuff, and trying to exercise regularly (30 minutes a day). It is a constant running gag in the office about my jogging gear that sits patiently and waits to go out SOMEDAY!
And getting rid of old stuff (I was a big hoarder of papers, always anxious to miss some information and wanting to be the “know all” as my parents were completely depending on me finding stuff because they were constantly missing something in huge amounts of stuff they hoarded too). Not any more! My flat now is not packed any more.
X had made me go to a “color and style counselor”, that enhanced my self confidence A LOT (not what he intended, he wanted to participate too to counsel/control me better). I can recommend this too; I did buy much less stuff afterwards, and everything fits together very well. And the sales persons could not sell me anymore ugly stuff they used to because of my lack of confidence!
Did I mention that it takes TIME????
My mind was also always very good in saying what I ought to do/be/feel, like my mother trying to make me better/more attractive/funnier/ you name it.
I had to change my inner concersation with myself as well. Acknowledging that I had been abused and that I have EVERY RIGHT TO FEEL THIS WAY; THESE ARE MY FEELINGS; NOBODY has the right to say that NOW I had to be ANGRY or the like. It was ME who had to do the also physically painful archeology and go down into my own dark chambers of my tormented soul to free this inner toddler to say to her that it is OVER now and that there is light shining out there (like all the children kept in cellars I read about).
And it takes a lot of time and repetition and rumination and spitting out and disgust and digestion and sweating it out; I experienced it as being quite physical. I am glad you have a counselor to accompany you through this .
I have now the knowlege and the power to protect this inner toddler from an adult point of view and she can go on without fear and grow up and have all the joy she likes and wants and she deserves to be happy.
I am still on the discovery of new chambers within myself, I still surprise me someday (and thee are not nice surprises somedays too!) and my journey is a lifelong one. And I am so glad that I have no leader who could be MISSLEADING me again but companions (at LF and in real life) who are also seeking THEIR ways and with whom I can exchange my experiences.
Thank you all, and I wish you all a very healthy joyful and interesting week!