By Ox Drover
In Part I we looked at what grief is and what “stages” we may pass through when we lose something or someone of great importance to us. We saw that grief can be “legitimate,” in which others “support us” by validating that we have a reason to be sad over the loss. Yet, there can be “disenfranchised” grief, grief that others do not view as “legitimate” reasons for grief, or shameful private grief that we cannot share.
In their attempts to “help” us, many people make fumbling attempts to “cheer us up” or to trivialize our pain, or attach “reasonable” time limits to how long we are able to grieve, which disenfranchises our pain.
Since most people view “grief” as equal to “Sadness,” the other stages of grief, which include Denial, Anger, Bargaining, and Acceptance, are not necessarily seen as parts of “grief processing.” Especially the stages of anger and bargaining may make the grieving person appear to be “crazy” to observers.
The sudden and irrational angry outbursts that we experience are just as much a part of our processing our grief as a crying bout is. Yet, this scares away and shoves away friends and would-be support, because they don’t understand the grieving process or why we would be so angry.
The bargaining stage, in which we may try to stop the pain by making deals with either God or the devil himself, is also another stage not understood by many of our family and friends, or the public in general. I think this is the stage that many victims of psychopaths are in when they go back again to an abusive relationship. “The devil you know is less scary than the devil you don’t know.”
Processing the roller coaster of feelings
Our grief over the losses of our deeply felt relationships with the psychopaths in our lives is just as valid and just as real as any other grief over any other important loss. Accepting that our grief is real to us, and that is all that matters, is our first task. Our pain is real; our pain is valid. We have a right to feel our pain. To experience the grief is our right! To express that pain without being devalued or disenfranchised is also our right.
Sometimes there is no one else who can or will validate that our pain is genuine, real and our right. In fact, many times others in our lives trivialize our pain, or emotions, or try to make us appear “crazy” for feeling as we do, for hurting, or even deny that any loss occurred. We must validate our own loss, our own pain, sometimes without the outside support, without the supportive presence of empathetic others. In a state of acute grief and pain, this is a difficult thing for us to accomplish.
Understanding the “roller coaster” nature of grief, the rapid cycling of one “stage” to another and back again, sometimes in a matter of minutes or hours, can keep us confused, and those in our environment confused, about whether we are “sane” or not! This rapid cycling of emotions, “okay” one moment, wildly crying the next, or angry and striking out, or trying to find some way to stop the pain by healing the relationship we lost, literally making a bargain with the “devil” psychopath, is the “normal” course of processing our grief and pain.
How long will this go on?
Until it is over.
Though there are trends in grief processing, each of us is an individual who will process through the grief at our own rate, in our own time and our own way. There are several things that will affect the “time line” in grief processing. The first thing, of course, is the depth of the loss. How much did this loss mean to you? How big was the loss?
Another thing that will impact the amount of time needed to process grief is having had prior experiences with grief that were positively resolved into acceptance. We learn how to process grief just like we learn to walk, a little bit at a time, and by practice. A child may learn to grieve over a loss of a beloved pet, yet some parents deprive this child of this learning exercise in the mistaken belief that they are “cheering up” the child when the day after the beloved puppy dies, the parents run out and buy Junior another puppy. Depriving a child of valid grief, the valuable learning experience of grieving, is not arming that child for later life which will be filled with losses in one form or another. So, the effects, either positive or negative, you have had with experiencing grief will effect how you process grief in the future.
Knowing what to expect in the grief process, and being able to name it, will affect the length of grieving. Though I professionally “knew” about grief and the processes we go through in resolving this emotional roller coaster, I was not “immune” to the feelings by my knowing. We cannot intellectually go around our pain, under it, or over it, we must go through the pain of the grief. There are no “short cuts.”
Multiple losses
The number of other losses that happen at the same time will affect how long the processing of grief lasts. Sometimes there are so many losses in a relationship with a psychopath that grieving for all of the losses at the same time is impossible. Because of the magnitude of grieving for all the losses at once, sometimes we are forced to put some losses on the back burner, so to speak, to deal with later. In my own experience, I found dealing with them individually for the most part was easier for me to handle than to try to lump them all together into one huge mass of loss which seemed too big and daunting to even tackle.
Because I dealt with them one at a time, it seemed to me the grieving over one thing or another went on for “decades.” As soon as I got one thing resolved, I had to tackle another one. This was very tiring and discouraging for me at times, but the burdens slowly lifted, and it seemed to me that the grief over each succeeding loss was less painful than the previous ones, that my experiences had made it easier for me to process, and quicker.
Validation
How much support we getand how we are validated affects the time needed to process the grief of our losses. When we are disenfranchised, or our grief is devalued or trivialized, we spend our time trying to validate the grief rather than resolving it. We try to “prove” to others that our grief is real.
Sometimes even well intentioned people who are trying to support and comfort us say the absolutely wrong thing, such as, “I know how you feel,” or, “It was meant to be,” or, “You will be okay,” at a time when we know they do not know how we feel, and that we feel we will never be okay again, and how could it be “meant” for us to hurt like this!?! We may fly into an emotional rage of pain and anguish.
How long? As long as it takes, without artificial limits from others like, “You should be over this now and move on with your life.” Also without artificial limits and time lines imposed by ourselves. “It’s been over a year now, I should be dating already.” Distracting yourself from the grief of one loss with another “new puppy” is not going to allow complete resolution of the first loss. Reaching the “acceptance” stage at one point, may not be staying there—remember the “roller coaster.” Giving yourself time to reach and remain in the acceptance stage for a time of peace, calm and quiet, is important. Don’t try to rush things!
10 Tips to support yourself in grieving:
- Listen—listen to your own pain, thoughts and feelings.
- Validate those feelings—yes they are real and I have a right to feel that way.
- Be kind to yourself—take time for yourself without guilt, you deserve it.
- Don’t put artificial time limits on your grief—it lasts as long as it does.
- Do know that though you don’t feel like it this minute—you will be okay.
- Reach out for support from others—talk about your pain to others who will listen.
- Come to Lovefraud and read and learn and receive support and validation.
- Distance yourself from stressful situations (and people) as much as possible.
- Decrease and delay voluntary and unnecessary changes in your life, if possible.
- Forgive yourself—you deserve it!
Oxy, thanks for taking care of Lily for us and for the update.
Oxy, Please add my love and hugs and good wishes to ANewlily xxx
Oxy,
Thanks for the update. My heart was sinking and I was keeping the hope for no news is good news….
I am so glad she is doing well in recovery and made it through the event.
Now would be a great time for her to be given some ‘breaks’ in life….
I sure hope the universe is on her side!!!
Continue to give her love and warmth from her Lf friends and instill in her that she is NOT alone!
I will keep faith that her garden will keep blooming from here on out!
XXOO to lily!
Oxy, so glad to hear Lily is doing better, am still keeping her in my prayers. She must have wanted to stick around for the good stuff!
WHINE!!!
I woke up late this morning (8:00 a.m.) and it still was hardly daylight—this is the 4th day in a row without sunshine! I think somehow I have either been transported to Washington State or to Scotland! Last month we had over 20 days of RAIN and only 4 or 5 of sunshine at all! So I will just do what I can to change it WHINE! LOL I may even have some cheese and crackers with my WHINE! LOL
It’s still a bit early to call Lily, but I will call her in a bit here and see how she is doing. I was very pleased at how upbeat she sounded yesterday, but I do know that abdominal surgery is PAINFUL (only had one such surgery and I equate it to natural child birth, only LONGER!)
I’ve been reading the threads this morning and am enjoying and appreciating the wisdom on them this morning, and enjoying hearing some “old voices” we haven’t heard from in a while, glad they are still here. And some “new voices” as well.
To see the growth of people when they come here, balled up “in the fetal position” by the pain of their encounters with the psychopaths, and then to see them unroll, straighten up and walk, head high on into life, and then watch them reach back and help the next person behind them stand up as well, is a wonderful warm feeling.
I am always amazed, though, the things I learn here each day, and yes, you DO fall in love with your teachers, and each of you here have been and are my teachers. My encouragers! A big TOWANDA!!!! for everyone here at LF! and a big group hug (((((LF))))))))
Dear Oxy,
i am still having a big problem to forgive myself. Not cz of Him, but cz of the way i went through that relationshit full of myself, my pain, my sorrow, me me meeeeee…and i hurted my child by letting her see my tears, my fading, my dawnfall.
i CAN NOT forgive myself hurting her.
He sucked all my money, all my strength, ruined my health, and now i am not able to hold her the way she deserves. I hate myself
Dear ThornBud,
I am so sorry that you are going through so much pain right now, I too had so much shame and sadness because of my own choices, and it was DIFFICULT to forgive myself and to learn to TRUST myself again.
Anyone that we have hurt because of our choices or our behavior we should TELL them this. That we are so sorry for what we did, and that we want to make it up to them, and let them tell us how it hurt them and made them feel, then vow to do better.
We cannot change the past, but beating ourselves up over it is not a solution either.
I apologized to omy good sons for allowing my P son to take so much time and energy that would have been better focused on them.
Go up to the search button on LOVE FRAUD and search for Ox Drover, there is an article I wrote there about FORGIVING MYSELF, maybe it will give you some comfort or some new ways of looking at things.
Overcoming our choices from the past, and Louise ( M. L. Gallager also had these same problems of forgiving herself for abandoning her children for the P) All of us have done something because of the P that we later regret because it hurt others, so you are not alone. But you need to heal and part of healing is FORGIVIGN YOURSELF. You are human too! (((Hugs)))) and my prayers for you.
I have been married nearly 30 years. This is a very long and involved story that I am goint to drastically condense. I need someone to talk to, someone who can help me undertand what is going on.
The last 3 yrs I have experienced SO many losses; kids left home, both live across country. My husband has lied to me from the first day, blowing his life out of proportion, just ALL lies. He has never stopped lying. I was brought up by STAUNCH Catholics parents, am a practicing Catholic myself. I have talked to oodles of priets, who all basiclly tell me to pray about. I have, for years. My dad was physically abusive to all of us kids, brutally so. My mom was a Narcissist. She never loved me she only approved of me when I did thing to make her look good. I was the good daughter, took care of both of my parents till they died. I have 3 brothers, and they ‘beat me up’ emotionally.
My husband has hit me our entire marriage. Because my dad hit me as well, the hitting did not seem like that big of a deal, (I know this is hard to beieve.)
3 yrs ago my husband had yet ANOTHER affair. Since then, for the first time in my life, I stood up and tried to get him to take some rsponsbility for a change. We have been to MANY counselors, and they all tell me to leave. The man is completley incapable of taking any repsonsibility. He is a charmer and no one but me and my children, those who live with him, know. He is a pathogical liar, his lies are so unbelievable. He gave me an STD. I have never been with anyone. He looks me RIGHT IN THE EYE and says “i have never had sex with other women since we have been married (30 yrs) The last 3 yrs, his physical abuse has been escalating. Each beating gets worse. The last one, 2 months ago, I had to go to the ER, I had borken toes. lots of scapes and bruises. It has been a nightmare. Once he hit me and knocked me to the floor, drug me through the kitchen and onto the back porch steps, then proceeded to dump a pan of water all over me.
Anyway, I filed for divorce. I have become so physically ill, that I cannot even begin to tell you what all is wrong with my body. I have been an RN for 25 yrs, head of my department for 10 yrs. I lost my job 1. 5 yrs ago, took care of my mom while she was dying. so much happened during that time that I will not get into till now.
I have questions. I just don’t get any of this. WHENEVER he beats me up, he gets absolutely FURIOUS! At ME! He is currently having his ‘smear campaign against me’. He can be SO charming, just not to is family. He DUMPED me, so to speak. He has refused to speak to me or our 2 daughters for 2 months now. I filed for Divorce on Sept 2. He has refused to sign the papers. So the sheriff served him the papers and he STILL won’t sign them. My most baffing issue that I would like to know about, is WHY does he get so mad when he beats ME UP? He lies SO much, and he tells his friends and family that EVERYTHING is my fault. I am the violent one, I am the problems I have morals, I do not lie, I do not cheat. He has never ONCE apologized to me for beating me up. Instead, he feels self righteous and justified. If his friends see me, even THEY are rude to me! I BITCH too much. Well he lies in my face on a daily basis, it is hard not to bitch.
Is this Normal behavior for an abuser? Blaming? What is the psychology behind this? What is the point? He has disowned our kids, which I am shocked at. He seems to be a coward, he NEVER tells me to my face wht is bothering him, but he tells other ppl things and much of what he says is NOT ture. He has been cheating on me for 10 yrs. Like I say it has wrecked my health, and after being away from him for 2 months, so many things have become so crytal clear. I am angry at myself for staying SO LONG. What was I thinking? I thought mariage was forever that is what i thought. With each affair, he lied up and down, told the mots ludicrous lies
This has been the hardst part of my entire life. I feel frozen, canot seem to move forward. ( I am SO SICK of ppl telling me to ‘move on”. We have been marreid 30 yrs!
I cry constantly, I cannot seem to get anything accomplished. I do go to a counselor, I also attend a Domestic violence group.
My husband is KING of the Silent treatment. He left two months ago without a word, and he refuses to speak to me so I have cut off all contact. At one time I really believed he loved me. I am coming to terms with the fact that all I am to him is a punching bag, somewhere to dispose his anger. He is a classic case of passive aggressive narcissim and he has NO CONSCIENCE whatsoever.
I am devestated that he has turned his family and friends against me, but that is wht he wants. I went to my doctor yesterday, because since this has all happend, I have had swelling and EXCRUTIATING pain in BOTH knees, and I have to have them injected every couple months. I recently had major back surgery. LOTS of health problems, and I know it is all the stress.
I just want opinions: why does he gets so angry and furious with ME, when HE is the one who beat me up, HE is the one who has cheated and lied.
Sorry so long. Just need someone to talk to who has been there. I am so isolated right now, I am not feeling well and i just don’t want to face ppl. I live in a small town.
Thanks so much for anything you can tell me.
I found out about yet ANOTHER affiar
Ann,
I’m so sorry to hear your pain. Welcome to LF, you are with people who love you without even knowing you. Here you will find the polar opposite of the evil entity you call your husband.
I think he rages at you when he beats you just to add an emotional fear and pain element. They don’t just want your body, they want your soul. He wants to see the fear in your eyes. That’s what the rage is about. He’s probably not even mad at all. He probably is only acting and really feels nothing but pleasure at your response. When you respond he is getting what he wants, therefore he continues it.
Being mad at you afterward is to make you so afraid that you can’t be mad AT HIM. Then he owns you and your emotions. He will dictate how you feel and what you think. He has total control. That’s why you must remain unemotional. Like a gray rock. boring, no response. It’s the only thing that makes them go away.
Ann, hang in there. If he doesn’t respond to the divorce papers then he will be in default. My ex-husband turned everything on me also. When I first called his mistress and he found out he told me that if I called one more time he was “leaving my a**.” He told me that I should trust him enough. He became really mean and angry at me for nothing. It is like he was making me think I was the liar and abuser. He said I was so mean to him, etc. Just a bunch of lies.
I am proud of you for filing for divorce. I know it is difficult after being with someone for 30 years. I was only with my ex for 3 years when I filed and it was hard. I can’t really answer a lot of your questions but all I can say is your health comes first. You shouldn’t care too much if he offers an apology or not because it is usually not sincere. My ex has apologized but continued with the same emotional abusive ways. I am not sure how long you have been separated but when my ex first left I cried for 2 months straight, couldn’t sleep and lost 20 pounds. I was depressed and I had a right to be. Hold your head up high and know that you did nothing to cause him to treat you that way.
Maybe you are already doing this but I would advise you to keep a journal.