By Ox Drover
In Part I we looked at what grief is and what “stages” we may pass through when we lose something or someone of great importance to us. We saw that grief can be “legitimate,” in which others “support us” by validating that we have a reason to be sad over the loss. Yet, there can be “disenfranchised” grief, grief that others do not view as “legitimate” reasons for grief, or shameful private grief that we cannot share.
In their attempts to “help” us, many people make fumbling attempts to “cheer us up” or to trivialize our pain, or attach “reasonable” time limits to how long we are able to grieve, which disenfranchises our pain.
Since most people view “grief” as equal to “Sadness,” the other stages of grief, which include Denial, Anger, Bargaining, and Acceptance, are not necessarily seen as parts of “grief processing.” Especially the stages of anger and bargaining may make the grieving person appear to be “crazy” to observers.
The sudden and irrational angry outbursts that we experience are just as much a part of our processing our grief as a crying bout is. Yet, this scares away and shoves away friends and would-be support, because they don’t understand the grieving process or why we would be so angry.
The bargaining stage, in which we may try to stop the pain by making deals with either God or the devil himself, is also another stage not understood by many of our family and friends, or the public in general. I think this is the stage that many victims of psychopaths are in when they go back again to an abusive relationship. “The devil you know is less scary than the devil you don’t know.”
Processing the roller coaster of feelings
Our grief over the losses of our deeply felt relationships with the psychopaths in our lives is just as valid and just as real as any other grief over any other important loss. Accepting that our grief is real to us, and that is all that matters, is our first task. Our pain is real; our pain is valid. We have a right to feel our pain. To experience the grief is our right! To express that pain without being devalued or disenfranchised is also our right.
Sometimes there is no one else who can or will validate that our pain is genuine, real and our right. In fact, many times others in our lives trivialize our pain, or emotions, or try to make us appear “crazy” for feeling as we do, for hurting, or even deny that any loss occurred. We must validate our own loss, our own pain, sometimes without the outside support, without the supportive presence of empathetic others. In a state of acute grief and pain, this is a difficult thing for us to accomplish.
Understanding the “roller coaster” nature of grief, the rapid cycling of one “stage” to another and back again, sometimes in a matter of minutes or hours, can keep us confused, and those in our environment confused, about whether we are “sane” or not! This rapid cycling of emotions, “okay” one moment, wildly crying the next, or angry and striking out, or trying to find some way to stop the pain by healing the relationship we lost, literally making a bargain with the “devil” psychopath, is the “normal” course of processing our grief and pain.
How long will this go on?
Until it is over.
Though there are trends in grief processing, each of us is an individual who will process through the grief at our own rate, in our own time and our own way. There are several things that will affect the “time line” in grief processing. The first thing, of course, is the depth of the loss. How much did this loss mean to you? How big was the loss?
Another thing that will impact the amount of time needed to process grief is having had prior experiences with grief that were positively resolved into acceptance. We learn how to process grief just like we learn to walk, a little bit at a time, and by practice. A child may learn to grieve over a loss of a beloved pet, yet some parents deprive this child of this learning exercise in the mistaken belief that they are “cheering up” the child when the day after the beloved puppy dies, the parents run out and buy Junior another puppy. Depriving a child of valid grief, the valuable learning experience of grieving, is not arming that child for later life which will be filled with losses in one form or another. So, the effects, either positive or negative, you have had with experiencing grief will effect how you process grief in the future.
Knowing what to expect in the grief process, and being able to name it, will affect the length of grieving. Though I professionally “knew” about grief and the processes we go through in resolving this emotional roller coaster, I was not “immune” to the feelings by my knowing. We cannot intellectually go around our pain, under it, or over it, we must go through the pain of the grief. There are no “short cuts.”
Multiple losses
The number of other losses that happen at the same time will affect how long the processing of grief lasts. Sometimes there are so many losses in a relationship with a psychopath that grieving for all of the losses at the same time is impossible. Because of the magnitude of grieving for all the losses at once, sometimes we are forced to put some losses on the back burner, so to speak, to deal with later. In my own experience, I found dealing with them individually for the most part was easier for me to handle than to try to lump them all together into one huge mass of loss which seemed too big and daunting to even tackle.
Because I dealt with them one at a time, it seemed to me the grieving over one thing or another went on for “decades.” As soon as I got one thing resolved, I had to tackle another one. This was very tiring and discouraging for me at times, but the burdens slowly lifted, and it seemed to me that the grief over each succeeding loss was less painful than the previous ones, that my experiences had made it easier for me to process, and quicker.
Validation
How much support we getand how we are validated affects the time needed to process the grief of our losses. When we are disenfranchised, or our grief is devalued or trivialized, we spend our time trying to validate the grief rather than resolving it. We try to “prove” to others that our grief is real.
Sometimes even well intentioned people who are trying to support and comfort us say the absolutely wrong thing, such as, “I know how you feel,” or, “It was meant to be,” or, “You will be okay,” at a time when we know they do not know how we feel, and that we feel we will never be okay again, and how could it be “meant” for us to hurt like this!?! We may fly into an emotional rage of pain and anguish.
How long? As long as it takes, without artificial limits from others like, “You should be over this now and move on with your life.” Also without artificial limits and time lines imposed by ourselves. “It’s been over a year now, I should be dating already.” Distracting yourself from the grief of one loss with another “new puppy” is not going to allow complete resolution of the first loss. Reaching the “acceptance” stage at one point, may not be staying there—remember the “roller coaster.” Giving yourself time to reach and remain in the acceptance stage for a time of peace, calm and quiet, is important. Don’t try to rush things!
10 Tips to support yourself in grieving:
- Listen—listen to your own pain, thoughts and feelings.
- Validate those feelings—yes they are real and I have a right to feel that way.
- Be kind to yourself—take time for yourself without guilt, you deserve it.
- Don’t put artificial time limits on your grief—it lasts as long as it does.
- Do know that though you don’t feel like it this minute—you will be okay.
- Reach out for support from others—talk about your pain to others who will listen.
- Come to Lovefraud and read and learn and receive support and validation.
- Distance yourself from stressful situations (and people) as much as possible.
- Decrease and delay voluntary and unnecessary changes in your life, if possible.
- Forgive yourself—you deserve it!
Ann1961, the easiest way to explain him is “IT’S ALL ABOUT HIM”. Period. No one, any where, any time matters. Not you, not the kids, not any of his other lovers. It’s all about him, him, him, and him.
He will never grow up (mature). He will never tell the truth as we know truth. He is the lie from top to bottom.
If you are out … stay out. Stay with us, read as much as you can absorb … and start your healing process.
Remember, we’ve all walked in your shoes. Our stories have their own scripts, but it is all the same. We got involved with people that look like ducks, quack like ducks, but they aren’t ducks.
We are all in this together … all on the path of healing.
Peace to your heart and soul and no you are in great company here on this site.
That was know you are in great company here on this site.
Sorry for the typo.
Dear Ann,
I am so sorry you have endured this mess for so long. You have landed in the best place to help you heal. KNOWLEDGE=POWER and you can take back your power.
Your husband’s behavior is “standard” for an abuser, standard for a psychopath, standard for a blamer, and it is HIM, NOT YOU, you are not to blame for what he does, and yo udo NOT deserve this.
Being brought up in a “dysfunctional” home tends to make US (victims) accept that kind of behavior as normal, but it is NOT normal, and you do not deserve to be beaten, or for him to lie to you and to treat you this way. People who love us do not treat us this way, do not make us feel hurt.
Read and learn about psychopaths, but also read and learn about YOU…it (the healing process) starts off about them, but before long it is about helping ourselves, and taking care of ourselves, not about what they are (they will never change) or what they did (that’s in the past) but about ourselves and a FUTURE without pain!
God bless you, Ann, and keep on reading adn learning, the people here are very supportive and caring and WE HEAR YOU! (((hugs))) and God bless.
He will smear your name as much as he can, this is to be expected, ti is what they do.
Dear Anne, Bless you! you have come to the right place. Lovefraud, is a place where you will have friends,{albeit invisible ones} who have been there, and most of us have gone thru what you have gone through. Im just so sorry it took so long for you to make the break, its never easy. I can imagine how the Catholic church would “guilt you” into staying. Im not Catholic, I was raised Presbyterian, but it was still very hard for me to leave,{I was beaten unconscious}, after 19 years of marriage to an alcoholic gambler. My girls were 17 and nearly 19 when I left, I had to leave them with my ex, who has never ever hurt them thank God. Unfortunately, he poisoned their minds against me. I found a great book called “Can a Christian Divorce?” written by a christian lawyer,{male.} he explained very clearly, using quotes from the Bible, that once a husband has beaten his wife, cheated on her sexually,and treated her with disrspect , he has ALREADY BROKEN his marriege vows, and God wants ,indeed IMPELS us as wives to get out.!! He said, “God will drag you out of this horrible situation by FORCE if necessary, as though He hates divorce, he wants us women to LIVE and be happy, not live in fear.!” This book was such an eye opener and comfort to me. The Pastor in charg e of the prayer group I was going to ,{after I had divorced my ex, and remarried happily}, always used to pray for my ex husband, never my new husband. In the end, I asked him why. He said,”You are in an adulterous relationship with David, in the eyes of God you are still married to P.” I couldnt believe it! He was actually praying for me to leave my happy marriage and get back with my abusive ex, who by this time had also happily remarried! Needless to say, I left that group for good. The catholic church has a lot to answer for too,,,and how can an unmarried priest possibly give good council to a long time married woman, what does he know of marriage?! And to deny a divorced woman the sacraments, thats just plain cruel!Im very glad Im not a catholic, tho I know some lovely catholic priests, they are not all bad. Anne its going to take some time for you to heal, but keep logging on here, read all the blogs, you WILL get help, and you will get healed! It takes time so be kind to yourself. A lot of us were set up as prime targets for PHsycopaths, if we came from abusive homes of origin, we thought such behaviour was normal, so its alike we had “victim and sucker” stamped on our foreheads!Look after yourself, build up your spirit, keep reading from blogs from Love fraud, youll be amazed how you will learn, grow, and get confidence in yourself! Much Love, and {{HUGS}}} geminigirl.
Anne:
It’s shame and guilt he has buried…..IT”S NOT YOU!
But, he feels entitled and justified to take it out on the one constant in his life….someone who will cover for him and someone he can control.
IT”S NOT YOU!
Divorcing these assholes is a very arduous process…..please remain patient…..
I am not clear….IS HE STILL BEATING YOU?
I read he won’t talk to you….GOOD…..
Read the blogs and the aricles for more defined reasons and situations on WHY we go NC!
It really is crucial.
You will learn, be overwhelmed, but stay strong….be aware and protect yourself!!!
He will bury himself….you don’t have to worry about doing it to him!
And don’t worry about the ‘looks’ the meanness…..seclude yourself from THOSE people…..Surround yourself with ONE or more friends….valid, trustworthy, proven friends for support….and keep coming back here…..whenever you need to vent, communicate, need some advice or just an ear…..
You will be surprised at what we have learned from each other!
STAY STRONG!!!
XXOO
EB
One of the things I read over and over is WHY doesn’t anyone else see the behaviors….
I thought I would share this.
Tonight I took my kids to Sushi….this sushi bar was a place my ex S regulalrly visited as he claimed to be a vegetarian, (although he would suck on meat????go figure) Anyways….he was a regular since the est. opened.
The Mgr. approached my kids and I tonight…..and brought our table a platter….I was a bit confused and didn’t want to appear ungracious….but had no idea of what it was…..I asked the kids did we order this? They didn’t know either?
I had ordered 2 Unagis with Tabiko…..and I got 12 orders….then he came with another dish…..It was wonderful…..but had no idea WHAT it was….
So, I said to him…..this is great….what is it? His reply…..IT”S EVERYTHING YOU LOVE!
We were all stopped in our tracks…..It WAS….It was unagi, tabiko, shrimp, advocado, tempura all with a sweet sauce…..Each item I loved…….but would normally order individually. He wrapped them all up and made one roll of them……He said it was the EB ROLL!
Now…….it was my ex who was the regular here….not me….I eat there maybe 6 times a year.
BUT HE KNEW WHAT I LOVED……HE KNEW!!!!!
WOW…..
Then when the kids left to play…..I said to him….you know, I have to tell you…….My ex didn’t even know, after 28 years what yogurt I liked……he smiled and said I’m sorry it didn’t work out…….he said, I think it’s better for you!
Then he went on to say, very diplomatically, but blunt….I always had a question about him from the first day I met him.
Something just wasn’t right. He was too friendly, too nice, too laughy and his laugh was forced, he had too many hoity stories, he always tried to get something for free, ……AND he tried to be my friend, always wanted my phone number, ask me places, to do things etc….Then he said, I am so glad I never did anything with him, and he was persistant.
MGR said S spoke so horribly of me and different kids, then I came in when I was sick……and he could see the shape I was in……he said he was disgusted by the way he talked.
OF course…..EB WENT RIGHT INTO THE S SPEEL……..
And the Mgr…..who approached me with all the above…..(I just wanted sushi with the kids…..) unloaded his thoughts on me……
Obviously…..somewhere, at some point, somehow I made some kind of impression on this guy……to remember my combination of favorites……and do something kind for me…..
(AND NO HE WASN”T HITTING ON ME)….
But my point……the behaviors of the S’s DO NOT ALWAYS go un noticed….people DO pull away, more than we think.
I have heard this scenario over and over about my S…..
I just thought and believed what HE told me aobut how much everyone just loves him……I did….why wouldn’t everyone else……
On that note….this is where we must have faith……
Know what we KNOW is true….
THEY WILL NOT have any better life than we do….it will always be empty….ALWAYS….
It will only be the appearance!!!
We just have to ‘stay off the stage’.
They expose themselves……regularly!!!
Erin you are so right. Thats for sharing your sushi story:) I think what you said ‘I just thought and believed what HE told me aobut how much everyone just loves him—I did”.why wouldn’t everyone else—’ really hit on something for me…
I KNOW of people who found him utterly repugnant AT FIRST SIGHT… when my ‘good’ sister first met him, she turned to me and said, “he’s evil, I am sorry but I think he’s really creepy”, my daughter thought he was revolting… my ‘friend’ said he was poison ect. ect… the ‘shop girls’ he’d sleeze that used to make me feel so bad… thinking back physically re-coiled… maybe giving him the benefit of the doubt becuase he was english(and therefore eccentric?) After I was disguarded, I went through that thing that most of us do where we think that the new victim is going to get something better, and that ‘nobody knows what a slimebag he is…(cognitive dissonance?) sure he sets up admirers (always at a bit of distance so they cant SEE him) and HE is the one who ‘bigs up the relationships as if they MEAN something, I am not be the only one to see it… no we are not the only ones to see it… they dont change their behaviour… they hit the Jack pot when they find somone willing to over look it… but most people just get the hell out of their way and have as little to do with them as possible…
They DO expose them selves…REGULARLY… its absurd! When you are in their ‘thrall’ though you are completely blind to it…
Thanks not Thats:)
I bet his neighbours call him ‘Creepy S” but are pleasant to his face…like people are.
Thinking about mummy narc too… I think there are lots of people who ‘knew’ ( This used to make me really angry, but I know peoples reasons for ‘not getting involved’) and know what she is but they are in three camps either steer completely clear, pleasant to her face, or are in the thrall.
EB, I loved your sushi story. Now, the question is, what is it that people like the manager have that we don’t have….well, maybe we have it now, but why didn’t we have it then? P-dar.
Is this manager married? Imagine someone being so sensitive to others likes, that he could give it to you without your asking for it.
My XP still put sugarin my coffee 5 years into our relationship, I guess because it was how HE liked HIS coffee! SIGH.