By Ox Drover
In Part I we looked at what grief is and what “stages” we may pass through when we lose something or someone of great importance to us. We saw that grief can be “legitimate,” in which others “support us” by validating that we have a reason to be sad over the loss. Yet, there can be “disenfranchised” grief, grief that others do not view as “legitimate” reasons for grief, or shameful private grief that we cannot share.
In their attempts to “help” us, many people make fumbling attempts to “cheer us up” or to trivialize our pain, or attach “reasonable” time limits to how long we are able to grieve, which disenfranchises our pain.
Since most people view “grief” as equal to “Sadness,” the other stages of grief, which include Denial, Anger, Bargaining, and Acceptance, are not necessarily seen as parts of “grief processing.” Especially the stages of anger and bargaining may make the grieving person appear to be “crazy” to observers.
The sudden and irrational angry outbursts that we experience are just as much a part of our processing our grief as a crying bout is. Yet, this scares away and shoves away friends and would-be support, because they don’t understand the grieving process or why we would be so angry.
The bargaining stage, in which we may try to stop the pain by making deals with either God or the devil himself, is also another stage not understood by many of our family and friends, or the public in general. I think this is the stage that many victims of psychopaths are in when they go back again to an abusive relationship. “The devil you know is less scary than the devil you don’t know.”
Processing the roller coaster of feelings
Our grief over the losses of our deeply felt relationships with the psychopaths in our lives is just as valid and just as real as any other grief over any other important loss. Accepting that our grief is real to us, and that is all that matters, is our first task. Our pain is real; our pain is valid. We have a right to feel our pain. To experience the grief is our right! To express that pain without being devalued or disenfranchised is also our right.
Sometimes there is no one else who can or will validate that our pain is genuine, real and our right. In fact, many times others in our lives trivialize our pain, or emotions, or try to make us appear “crazy” for feeling as we do, for hurting, or even deny that any loss occurred. We must validate our own loss, our own pain, sometimes without the outside support, without the supportive presence of empathetic others. In a state of acute grief and pain, this is a difficult thing for us to accomplish.
Understanding the “roller coaster” nature of grief, the rapid cycling of one “stage” to another and back again, sometimes in a matter of minutes or hours, can keep us confused, and those in our environment confused, about whether we are “sane” or not! This rapid cycling of emotions, “okay” one moment, wildly crying the next, or angry and striking out, or trying to find some way to stop the pain by healing the relationship we lost, literally making a bargain with the “devil” psychopath, is the “normal” course of processing our grief and pain.
How long will this go on?
Until it is over.
Though there are trends in grief processing, each of us is an individual who will process through the grief at our own rate, in our own time and our own way. There are several things that will affect the “time line” in grief processing. The first thing, of course, is the depth of the loss. How much did this loss mean to you? How big was the loss?
Another thing that will impact the amount of time needed to process grief is having had prior experiences with grief that were positively resolved into acceptance. We learn how to process grief just like we learn to walk, a little bit at a time, and by practice. A child may learn to grieve over a loss of a beloved pet, yet some parents deprive this child of this learning exercise in the mistaken belief that they are “cheering up” the child when the day after the beloved puppy dies, the parents run out and buy Junior another puppy. Depriving a child of valid grief, the valuable learning experience of grieving, is not arming that child for later life which will be filled with losses in one form or another. So, the effects, either positive or negative, you have had with experiencing grief will effect how you process grief in the future.
Knowing what to expect in the grief process, and being able to name it, will affect the length of grieving. Though I professionally “knew” about grief and the processes we go through in resolving this emotional roller coaster, I was not “immune” to the feelings by my knowing. We cannot intellectually go around our pain, under it, or over it, we must go through the pain of the grief. There are no “short cuts.”
Multiple losses
The number of other losses that happen at the same time will affect how long the processing of grief lasts. Sometimes there are so many losses in a relationship with a psychopath that grieving for all of the losses at the same time is impossible. Because of the magnitude of grieving for all the losses at once, sometimes we are forced to put some losses on the back burner, so to speak, to deal with later. In my own experience, I found dealing with them individually for the most part was easier for me to handle than to try to lump them all together into one huge mass of loss which seemed too big and daunting to even tackle.
Because I dealt with them one at a time, it seemed to me the grieving over one thing or another went on for “decades.” As soon as I got one thing resolved, I had to tackle another one. This was very tiring and discouraging for me at times, but the burdens slowly lifted, and it seemed to me that the grief over each succeeding loss was less painful than the previous ones, that my experiences had made it easier for me to process, and quicker.
Validation
How much support we getand how we are validated affects the time needed to process the grief of our losses. When we are disenfranchised, or our grief is devalued or trivialized, we spend our time trying to validate the grief rather than resolving it. We try to “prove” to others that our grief is real.
Sometimes even well intentioned people who are trying to support and comfort us say the absolutely wrong thing, such as, “I know how you feel,” or, “It was meant to be,” or, “You will be okay,” at a time when we know they do not know how we feel, and that we feel we will never be okay again, and how could it be “meant” for us to hurt like this!?! We may fly into an emotional rage of pain and anguish.
How long? As long as it takes, without artificial limits from others like, “You should be over this now and move on with your life.” Also without artificial limits and time lines imposed by ourselves. “It’s been over a year now, I should be dating already.” Distracting yourself from the grief of one loss with another “new puppy” is not going to allow complete resolution of the first loss. Reaching the “acceptance” stage at one point, may not be staying there—remember the “roller coaster.” Giving yourself time to reach and remain in the acceptance stage for a time of peace, calm and quiet, is important. Don’t try to rush things!
10 Tips to support yourself in grieving:
- Listen—listen to your own pain, thoughts and feelings.
- Validate those feelings—yes they are real and I have a right to feel that way.
- Be kind to yourself—take time for yourself without guilt, you deserve it.
- Don’t put artificial time limits on your grief—it lasts as long as it does.
- Do know that though you don’t feel like it this minute—you will be okay.
- Reach out for support from others—talk about your pain to others who will listen.
- Come to Lovefraud and read and learn and receive support and validation.
- Distance yourself from stressful situations (and people) as much as possible.
- Decrease and delay voluntary and unnecessary changes in your life, if possible.
- Forgive yourself—you deserve it!
Anne, I’m so sorry for your years of abuse.Stay away from him, come here to read and vent, stay in counseling, (Do some inner child work, maybe.) I’m wishing you the best of luck. This will be the beginning of a much happier life.
Thank you to all who posted. I have read this blog on Lovefraud for a long time, I read everything I can get my hands on. For some reason, knowing ‘why’ helps me somewhat. THis past year has literally broken me, stolen my health, my mind. I finally made the break and I have not seen my husband for 2 months. He refuses to talk to me OR our grown children. He is making the divorce difficult by doing this. Why won’t he sign the papers? He is living with is Dr Radiologist friend, who has also yelled and screamed at me, so I stay far away.
My mother lived with me the last year of her life. I took care of her in my home. SHe died, a year ago last sept 21. As I said, both of my brothers are physicians, and they were cmpletely rude to me. Both of them make boo coos more money that we do, and in the end, accused me of ‘stealing my mothers’ money. My mother lived on nothing but social security. SHe HAD no money. I told them that, but they looked at me as if I was lying. It is so maddening. I arranged my mothers funeral ALL by myself; my brothers would not even go to the funeral home to look at her! So my youngest brother told me off, screamed at me, put me down. He made a spectacle of himself. In the end, he ‘wrote me off”. I have NO idea why, other than he and his wife think I took my mother’s so called money. So I have lost my brothers too! At the time, my husband and I were financially destitute. We had paid for all of my moms groceries, etc. My little Brother, a specialist who lives in Little Rock. I used to be close to him but not anymore. When I told him my husband beat me up, he told me that “you did not get beat up if you did not end up in the hospital.” I ended up in the ER, I guess that doesn’t count. Then he proceed to tell me my husband is a “good man”. It is SO frustrating, because husband is SO nice and charming to everyone but me and the kids. I was raised in an abusive home, and I guess my brothers are using me for their proverbial ‘punching bag” still. It all hurt, and it still lingers today. I have no support system.
I just want to know WHY. WHY is my husband doing this to me? A week before he left, he wrote me an incredble ‘love note” about how he would be my rock, never leave me, etc. I brought this up to him and all he said was “Anything else I do wrong? ” I was merely trying to understand. So I have cut off all communications with him. I am incredibly lonely. I have even learned that HOPE is something special to have; it it precious, hope is, till it is all gone. I have no hope. Not right now. I find myself paralyzed, frozen, unable to function. It doesn’t help that I ahve this inflammatory athritis that has been caused by stress. I have been to every doctor within a 70 mile radius, and my labwork is all normal. Yet my joints swell, my knees swell to where I cannot walk. I feel completely alone like I have never felt in my life. Yet I know I cannot have contact with my husband. He is so cruel and just drags me back down when I see or talk to him . Why, WHY, does he beat me up and then deny it? Why does he turn it on me? is it too much for him to handle? He manages to turn ppl in our small community against me. I don’t get it. Of course, there are some ppl who know how he is.
I am thankful I found this sight. I have been reading it for months. I have been leary to write on it because it seems that whenever I express an opinion ppl get mad! MOVE ON, they say . After 30 yrs? I feel like a FOOL for staying that long. Even when my husband cheated on me, lied to me and hit me, my mother, her devout Catholic self, said i cannot divorce him So now that she is gone, it is easier.
I don’t understand why I am so sad, so lonely. I was sad and lonely WITH him. I dont’ want him back. I just want to start over, but how do I start over at the age of nearly 49? I do not know where to start. What are my first steps?
I SO thank all of you for your kindess. I was afraid i would hear More of the same: YOu ae crazy for staying girl, move on, move on. I wish it was that simple. The kindess I have seen here is a breath of fresh air. Thanks for understanding. Ann1961
Dearest Anne, you are NOT crazy, you have been thru years of hell on earth,its going to take time to heal yourself and rebuild your life.As to why they do it? they do it because they are sociopaths. A sociopath cannot love, is incapable of any deep emotion,is unable to feel normal love, compassion, grief, kindness, remorse. You sound like you were “set up’ to marry one because of your family of origin. 49 is not old. Keep reading here,you will learn a lot, we ve all been thru same or similar stories, maybe some not as painful as others, but pain is pain.YOU WILL get better, but NC,{no contact ] is the only way. Im very lucky, after my divorce, I met a lovely man, and have been happily remarried for 25 years. I am now 70, and I left my ex in 1982, with nothing, just the clothes I stood up in. God was good to me, everything worked out. I was racked with guilt, leaving my teenage daughters with him, but they were oK, he never touched them. Unfortunately, he turned them against me.When you are feling a bit safer and fitter, maybe you can get a part time job, move away from th area, start afresh.You ar NOT crazy, you did the best you knew how. Both my brothers are the same, pompous, rude, chauvinistic, controlling. Thank God Im in Australia and dont have to see them. I havent seen my younger daughter for 17 years,{her choice, not mine,} and 3 months ago I went NC with my older daughter, now 45. I was so hurt and insulted she never rang me unless she wanted to touch me for money.
Ive finally stood up for myself and said,”No More!” I wont put up with abuse from ANYONE anymore. Have you even one friend who totally undestands your situation? DO NOT see, phone, or email anyone, family or so-called friend, who puts you down, sneers at you, belittles you, lies to you, cons you, or uses you. If they do any of these things they do NOT love you and you dont need them in your life.These people are hard, selfish and cruel, you dont need them. They will only drag you down. Now you have us on Lovefraud, we will listen to you, support you, and hopefully advise you, especially the DenMothers of the group like Oxy, who has years of experience to draw on, and lots of other great people, men as well as women! Stay strong,trust that God has better plan for your life, now your free from that brute of a so-called husband.Its no good saying “I wish Id left earlier, move on from now, Tomorrow is new day, a fresh start! You can do it, Anne! We are all rooting for you!!Stick around,you will get better, I promise. Much Love,and {{HUGS!!}}} geminigirlXXX
Friday i am going to gastroscopy. In my country they do not use anesthesia and i am so scared. I am also scared of results, but i can not stand pain anymore, its so exhausting.
Anyone did gastroscopy without anesthesia? Please gimme some info. Thanks
Dear Ann,
Sweetie, we all wondered WHY?—so you are not alone in this, the answer is ‘BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO CONSCIENCE” and it is difficult for those of us who DO have a conscience to get our heads around the TRUTH—they are EVIL.
I live in Central Arkansas as well, and one other woman on here lives in Arkansas as well, so you are NOT ALONE, there are those of us close by.
I am “starting over” at 62, almost 63, so 49 is not “old” though you may “feel” old. Health is effected adversely by stress, you know that, so the trick is to LOWER THE STRESS.
In Arkansas you can get the divorce even without him signing. Just keep on. Arkansas is NOT a “no fault” state so you have PLENTY OF GROUNDS and PROOF with the ER thing.
Dysfunctional families are a SYSTEM of dysfunction with assigned “roles” just like in a PLAY. In fact there is almost literally a SCRIPT that has to be played for everyone to feel “secure” in their lives, even the bad-actors.
So when you started NOT READING YOUR PART (and telling the truth) in order for them to function in this Greek tragedy they had to make you out the CRAZY ONE, so they could continue to keep up the MASK of the “perfect family”—-the whistle blower is the one who gets pounded for embarassing the family, NOT THE EVIL BA$TARD who did the BAD DEEDS.
I grew up in this same family where the MOTTO WAS: “DON’T LET THE NEIGHBORS KNOW” OR “wHAT WOULD THE NEIGHBORS THINK?” As long as the family dirty linen is only inside the family all was OK.
“Let’s just pretend none of this happened.” was my egg donor’s (she gave birth to me, but did not earn the title mother) mantra. In fact, after this last episode where she faciliated th epeople in and out of the family who were trying to kill me (including my incarcerated P-son) she actually said, after my X-DIL and her boyfriend were arrested for trying to kill my other son, “let’s just pretend none of this happened”—WHOA!!!! NO, NEVER, NOT EVER AGAIN!
I am going to tell the TRUTH, and let the chips fall where they may. She has smeared me in the community, telling others I was out for her money, used and abused her, when I, like you, spent 18 months caring for her and my beloved step father as he was dying of cancer.
Now, she has canceled my power of attorney, and guess what, since I have NO AUTHORITY to care for her (I do NOT want that POA back and refuse to accept it) I am NOT RESPONSIBLE for taking care of her. I am an only child, so guess what, she has NO ONE except a nephew who has her POA but won’t be there to spoon feed her or wipe her butt, she can hire those things done with her MONEY that I was NOT after. So I no longer feel any responsibility for her, no guilt, and no accountability. It SET ME FREE.
I also realized that she had emotionally abused me my entire life playing my “role” in the family—-but I am out of that “play” and believ eit or not, you are too, and believe it or not YOU HAVE NOT LOST ANYTHING EXCEPT YOUR FETTERS.
YOU ARE FREE—and as far as your brothers smearing you, that is WHAT THEY DO to keep up the FALSE MASK of their normalcy. They are just as bad as your husband, just like your father was, and I bet they beat their wives behind closed doors.
STARTING OVER IS AN OPPORTUNITY, not a bad thing at all. I knopw you are anxious, feel bad, stressed, etc, but this is a GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU!!! SEE IT THAT WAY! You are free of the physical abuse and you can free yourself emotionally and mentally and have PEACE IN YOUR LIFE.
Two springs ago I had to flee my home, running for my life because my mother was empowering my would-be-killers. NOW they are out of my life, one on parole and one on probation, and the other still incarcerated, and she continues to give money to my P-son, and I can’t stop her, but you know what, I AM HAPPIER THAN I HAVE EVER BEEN IN MY LIFE. I AM FREE OF ABUSE, MENTAL OR PHYSICAL.
Hang on Ann, and do not give up in despair, you have support here and WE BELIEVE YOU!!!!
WHY? do they do it? BECAUSE they can!
Read the book “The Betrayal Bond”—it will answer most of your questions on the whys,,,,, why did he? Why did you stay? You are NOT CRAZY, and he isn’t crazy either, JUST MEAN AS SATAN! ((((HUGS)))) and my prayers fo ryour peace and healing!
Dear ThornBud,
In my country US they give VERSAID and a bit of valium, which actually relaxes you a bit, and the versaid makes you FORGET…so here is the deal.
It is NOT painful, and they need you to be able to cooperate with them. The WORST PART (and it is not bad) is when they blow up the colon with air, which will cramp you a bit, but again, it is NOT PAIN, just discomfort.
A friend of mine had it without any anesthesia (long story why) so don’t worry about it. Like I said, it is discomfort but NOT PAIN.
ann1961:
I grew up in the same kind of house you did — S father, N mother, both physically and emotionally abused my 2 silblings and me. One sibling is an S. I have chosen not to pursue relationships with them because they are emotionally abusive. Although I became sucessful professionally, I kept ending up in relationships that were worse and worse, until I ended up in a relationship with S — and he nearly destroyed me.
I now see that I had to learn the lesson of S before I could begin to rebuild my life — and I started rebuilding at age 51.
My first piece of advice for you is to give up trying to understand his motivations. He is an S. Don’t waste time saying “well, he only has 7 of the 8 indicators on Robert Hare’s list.” Trust me when I say one or two indicators is sufficient to indicate this is not a person you need to be around. Instead of trying to understand hin, try to understand you and how you have gotten with these creatures. “The Betrayal Bond” is a great book. Since our backgrounds are so similar, I’d read “If You Had Controlling Parents” by Dan Neuharth. That will give you a lot of insight into how your parents were able to get away with what they did. Also read Robert Hare’s “Without Conscience”.
I grew up in a split – Episcopalian/Catholic house. I have to be honest, when my parents were beating me up — hell, my father tried to kill me — I remember his Catholic priest telling me to “pray because he doesn’t know what he’s doing.” My view, plain and simple, is fuck that shit. The bastard knew exactly what he was doing. And I hope that priest dies a long, painful death for spouting crap like that. My advice is find a religion which will offer you some support as you move forward with your life. Why put energy into a religion which is so intent on holding you down?
AS for the health problems, I’ve always been in great physical shape. By the time S got done with me a year ago, my physical health buckled. Back went out, my rheumatoid factor went sky high. My health didn’t begin to improve until I went 100% NC (no contact) with S. In your case, if S won’t sign the divorce papers go into court and get the judge to issue an order holding S in contempt. I don’t know what property you have to divide up, but if there isn’t any, I’d file on the grounds of abandonment and claim that you can’t serve him.
Also, you can’t make getting divorced from S your main focus. As strange as it sounds, S is almost a sideshow at this momemt to the main event — which is creating a new life for yourself. The thing you really need to focus on is getting your own plan for your life into place. Can you reactivate your nursing license? How about moving near your kids? If there is nothing holding you in the town where you live, why would you want to stay there?
I got rid of my S a year ago 11/7. After I got rid of S I suffered financial reverses, lost my job and had huge health problems. To balance things out, I met a really wonderful man, I’ve started to move forward on the job front, had some good friends who were there for me, and have started to recover my health without the constant stress S put on me. I’m finally starting to live a good life — at age 52. So, my friend, you can do the same at age 49.
Dear Ann,
I am too new here to LF and the healing process to feel comfortable offering any advice. But I want you to know that being here over these past few weeks has given me a new sense of confidence in myself and my ability to pick myself up and move on.
My relationship with a SP was not nearly as long as yours, but the games they play have a way of hooking you almost immediately. I was in mad love in no time flat. I looked in his eyes the first time we met and knew I was in trouble. At the time, I did not realize he was a SP. But the way he looked at me was mesmerizing and he KNEW exactly what he was doing. In the end, my SP would tell me how much he loved me, couldn’t live without me and the next day kick me in the stomach! He was like Dr. Jekyl and Mr. Hyde! I couldn’t understand HOW you could do these things to someone you loved. I would forgive him over and over again bc I loved him unconditionally. I would have moved the stars, moon and sun……IF I COULD…..to make him happy and make things right.
The last time my SP threw me to the ground and stepped on me was September 5th! I have been NC since then. It is soooo incredibly hard. The anger, the fear, the pain…..it all comes and goes in waves. Before I found LF, I had one friend to whom I could trust and talk to. She couldn’t understand WHY I couldn’t just MOVE on! Well, I guess a true friend she wasn’t bc she finally told me she didn’t want to talk to me any longer about it! That I was using her. It wasn’t that at all. I just needed to get things out to understand them. She had never experienced a relationship with a SP. There are people here that say it can take months to years to heal.
One thing I have learned thus far is that he will NEVER change and EVERYTHING was a lie! But I STILL check my email just to see if he’s written and my caller ID just to see if he’s called. Why? I do not know. I want no part of him or his games so I don’t know why I want him to reach out. Maybe just to finally have my turn to kick him in the stomach and treat him like shit…..instead of being the one that accepts everything. If anyone can offer addive in this area – please do. I just don’t know why I want him to reach out.
The thing that really gets to me the most is that my life is in shambles. Every day revolves around my thoughts of him and healing from what happened. Yesterday, today, and tomorrow are just new days for him….without one thought of me entering his mind. I was disposable.
My young (elementary aged) sweet daughter shared her fortune cookie with me yesterday. She thought I might like what it said….she had no idea how much it really meant to me. It simply stated “Remember yesterday, but live for today.”
Dear Oxy, thanks for reply! But, i am worried – what does COLON has with gastroscopy? Do they go through all the intestine???? OMG !
I did colonoscopy and they found a tumor, removed. What do they search now from gastroscopy in colon? I am all fucked up snifffffffffffffffff
Hi Matt. Soooooooooo, there’s a new fling in your life. That’s a nice bonus that came your way. God knows that you went through the ringer.
I hope all is well with you.
Peace and God Bless your new relationship.