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Fake Rockefeller to be interviewed on Today Show

A jailhouse interview with “Clark Rockefeller,” who authorities believe is really Christian Gerhartsreiter of Germany, will be broadcast Monday and Tuesday on NBC’s Today Show.

According to an article on, the bogus Rockefeller now claims that his ex-wife knew he wasn’t really a Rockefeller, and used the name to advance her career. Still, he insists that he doesn’t remember if he is Christian Gerhartsreiter, and he grew up in New York City.

UPDATE 8/25/08 – See the first Today Show interview.

Rockefeller in the New York Times

I wonder if the Today Show interview will be as clueless as a story in today’s New York Times.

Plastered across the front of the Sunday Styles section was a half-page photo of Gerhartsreiter’s scruffy face, next to the headline, Ready-Made Rockefeller.

“What traits of background and character drove him to concoct his aristocratic aliases, which convinced some who met him, even as others were dubious?” asked the authors, Pam Belluck and Sara Rimer.

In an article that took up a full page and a half, they only came up with two answers:

• Gerhartsreiter’s lawyer, Stephen B. Hrones, said that because the guy is under 5 feet 5 inches tall, “he concocted ‘tall tales’ to build himself up.”

• And the good people of Cornish, New Hampshire, where Gerhartsreiter and his former wife, Sandra Boss, shared a home, speculated that he was hiding from his past, which might include the murder of a California couple.

Textbook psychopath

Reading the article, of course, I see all the signs of a textbook psychopath:

• The Times wrote that Gerhartsreiter had “impressive conversational knowledge of everything from physics to art to the stock market.” Psychopaths often claim to be experts in an impossible range of fields. My ex-husband, James Montgomery, literally told me that he knew everything.

• The Times wrote, “Among the autobiographical details he reportedly told various people at various times: his parents had been kidnapped in south America and he needed to pay ransom; he and his friends were ‘Star Trek’ groupies who conversed in Klingon, a private chef made four-course meals for his dogs; and he became a mute as a child for 10 years because he was distraught at the death of his parents in a car crash.” Can anyone say pathological liar?

• The Times wrote that in 1981, he married a woman in Wisconsin, “apparently to get a green card,” and then immediately disappeared. Using marriage to gain a benefit—now there’s a common Lovefraud theme.

• The Times wrote that, according to the guy who cut Gerhartsreiter’s hair, the con artist ingratiated himself with women at the Episcopal church, getting free meals and concert tickets in return. Have any of us dealt with a manipulative parasite?

• Finally, the Times described how, after Gerhartsreiter and Boss divorced, he showed up at a gallery party hosted by art dealer friends. “He was the life of the party that night, he really was,” the art dealer said. Charming, glib, grandiose—that’s how psychopaths reel people in.

But nowhere in the entire article did the authors mention psychopath, sociopath, or personality disorder. So the clueless media, in a case as blatant as the fake Rockefeller, again miss an opportunity to educate the public about these dangerous predators.

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That made me feel crazy watching it! Seriously, what was the point of the interview?

bird- my guess is it’s a slow news week…

which is good for the world…but the world and certainly the truth would be better served by either showcasing these wacko’s AND labeling them (at the VERY least using narcissist/socio/anti-social verbiage) or ignoring them all together. These gratuitous interviews serve only the sociopath and further damage their victims.


I think they don’t label it … perhaps not consciously on purpose… but I think there’s a deliberateness to it.
That is, I think if you label it, it’s something quantifiable, that you can deal with rationally.
And that doesn’t make good SENSATION.
If you just put it out there as mysterious… it’s sensational. It’s scary. It’s something special. It’s tantalizing.
Trying to give people the uneasy feeling that this could be anyone at all – and there’d be no way to even suspect. And it’s just not the case.

I think of these 2 pieces from the book “The Gift of Fear” by Gavin DeBecker, that point out what I see wrong in media coverage about this sort of thing… and apparently I’m not the only one who’s bothered by it….

The Gift of Fear by Gavin DeBecker

From Chapter 1 “In the Presence of Danger”

A television news show reports on a man who shot and killed his wife at her work. A restraining order had been served on him the same day as his divorce papers, coincidentally also his birthday. The news story tells of the man’s threats, of being fired from his job, of putting a gun to his wife’s head the week before the killing, of his stalking her. Even with all these facts, the reporter ends with: “Officials concede that no one could have predicted this would happen.”
That’s because we want to believe that people are infinitely complex, with millions of motivations and varieties of behaviour. It is not so. We want to believe that with all the possible combinations of human beings and human feelings, predicting violence is as difficult as picking the winning lottery ticket, yet it usually isn’t difficult at all. We want to believe that human violence is somehow beyond our understanding, because as long as it remains a mystery, we have no duty to avoid it, explore it, or anticipate it. We need feel no responsibility for failing to read signals if there are none to read. We can tell ourselves that violence just happens without warning, and usually to others, but in service of these comfortable myths, victims suffer and criminals prosper.

From Chapter 3 “The Academy of Prediction”

The blind eye, of course, will never recognize {the human predator}, which is why I devote this chapter and the next to removing the blinders, to revealing the truths and the myths about disguises someone might use to victimize you.
I’ll start with the hackneyed myth you’ll recognize from plenty of TV news reports: “Residents here describe the killer as a shy man who kept to himself. They say he was a quiet and cordial neighbor.”
Aren’t you tired of this? A more accurate and honest way for TV news to interpret the banal interviews they conduct with neighbors would be to report, “Neighbors didn’t know anything relevant.” Instead, news reporters present noninformation as if it is information.


It’s like muddy water, obscure, foul, possibly deep, possibly dangerous territory. Unless you have a known substance like a Ted Bundy, the wow factor of con artistry or domestic abuse is publically reaped and then it’s relegated to yesterday’s dirty laundry. No one wants to deal with it and most don’t even want to hear about it again. It’s still considered something only the “foolish” allow and it’s something that happens only to “others.”

Mental health professionals seem still to be taking samples instead of clarifying much of anything, seeming divisive and/or uninformed. But it also seems directives and public education must start there. The public must be trained to recognize and evaluate it before they can label it.

Until society recognizes and bears the heavier burden of this pathology instead of the victims, only then will we see change.


There are interesting similarities between what he says about his name and what is said about Reed. eg. wanting a new life. To me, he looks anxious during some of the questions. It is terrible that they let him get away with blaming poor Sandra for his choices. The attorney is a paid accomplice at this point, calluding with his twisted reality. He was the house husband? As if someone who makes it through life by conning can ever occupy a meaningful social role!


I haven’t seen the interview but as usual it is probably enabling the abuser rather than sympathetic to his victims.
I have a copy of ” The Gift of Fear” too. I couldn’t put it down and wish it was in every home. Maybe then people would be better educated and stop buying into the lies.

I think they “want a new life” because they figure they’ve used up the one they most recently stole. You can only get so many miles out of a Dodge…or a lemon.

I think my “favorite” part was when he was asked about his accent…to which he replied something to the effect, “I doon’t ave an aK-cent.” Denial in the face of evidence is the socio trait I had the hardest part “understanding.”

And these slime-ball atty’s that defend these nutjobs?!?!? Do they ENCOURAGE them to go on tv or do they go with them because the socio’s ego won’t listen to legal advice? Drew Peterson’s atty is another piece of work.

Dr Leedom, I also had a sociopathic “house rat.” It was less embarassing telling people he was a sahd than “unemployable bum.” He made a mess of the house, emptied the bank accounts, slept with the babysitter, sexually abused one of my children and then wanted a divorce settlement, child support, and the house he’d put into foreclosure. I should have stocked up on D-Con instead of marriage vows. I wonder if he has one of those rodent/hamster wheels in his prison cell?

And what is WITH those glasses? Does he go to the same stylist as “the Donald”?

What REALLY bothered me about the interview is that he is at that stage where the mask has slipped. People see that interview and think he’s always that out of touch and halting sounding. When he was stacking up victims and patsy’s, he was glib, charming, and quite convincing. That guy in the interview wouldn’t be able to sell water in the desert. It is truly an unfair and slanted view of him- and again allows the victim to be painted as a foolish dolt. She didn’t fall for THAT guy!


D-con true. We had one of these kind of guys once. Ours was pretty harmless though, I don’t think he had a sociopathic bone in his body, and he wasn’t much of a liar. Thankfully. The only thing I remember about our house-rat was he once ate a whole batch of chocolate chip cookies with my daughter and they both got sick lol.

I am afraid the Today Show and the New York Times are making the problem of ignorance of sociopathy/psychopathy as pertains to con artists worse by not identifying behaviors like pathological lying, and adopting multiple “identites” as symptoms of sociopathy. People who read these stories become familiar with this kind of behavior and so tend to normalize it. The truth is that these behaviors do indicate an individual who is potentially dangerous on many different levels. Psychopathy indicates dangerousness.

The attorney says “I’m not a psychiatrist” then procedes to declare there is no evidence that his client is dangerous. Because the Today Show staff are also ignorant of sociopathy/psychopathy they allowed those statements to go unchallenged.

There is one news show that I would like to mention appears to attempt to use the terms we’re all familiar with: Nancy Grace on CNN. 8/10 est time. The show has been profiling the Casey/Caylee Anthony case for about a month now. If you aren’t familiar:

It took me all of 30 seconds of the first time I heard about this case to think, “sociopath.” Quickly- 3 yo daughter was “missing” for over a month before the grandmother (who appears to be a controlling, disordered chickie-poo in her own right. Not to mention an enabler) “found out” the child was missing and called 911. The child’s mother, Casey, appears to be unable to tell the truth, about anything. Casey also appears to be unbothered by her missing child- but is constantly smothering smiles at all the attention and complaining that all anyone cares about is the missing kid instead of being concerned about HER. She’s revolting. Truly.

Tonight, the reporter, filling in for Nancy this week, asked a psychologist about what is wrong with the tot’s mother, Casey. She’s been called anti-social, socio/psycho-path, narcissist, bi-polar and etc. The psychologist broke down the various terms by trait and suggested she felt Casey was socio/psycho.

This isn’t the first time I’ve heard the terminology used by the experts called upon by the show… probably one of the reasons I like the show. That, and Nancy likes to sneer and yell at criminal defense attorneys.

Ox Drover

Dear Glinda,

I was away from home and watching the Nancy Grace TV show about this with the post-surgical friend I was “sitting with” for the lastt couple of days and I heard the anti-social personality disorder “diagnosis” as well.

Today I got a few minutes of another program that mentioned that she didn’t want to keep the girl and watned to put her up for adopting but her “mother made her keep the child” against her will.

Hopefully, the child will be found, but I have my doubts. I can only hope she “sold” the child to some desperate couple wishing to adopt and the child will eventually turn up, but my guess is that the child is dead from some rage-filled beating by her mother.

Yea, I LOVED the comment by the mother that “complained that all anyone seems to care about is the missing kid instead of being concerned about HER”

“Truly revolting” isn’t a bad enough term for the “mother” and I also agree that the “grandmother” is a “controlling, disordered chickie-poo” in her own right. Good assessment, Glinda.


Hhmn, my ealier post disappeared! On Casey, I do not think she is a sociopath, but is a psychopath. I read an article (don’t know how accurate it is) that said a sociopath would typically score around 20 on the PCL-R, whereas a psychopath is 30 or above. Not only her behavior, but her obvious outragous, easily verifiable STUPID lies, rather than clever ones, just reeks psychopath to me based on what I experienced with my ex-p. My ex could be smooth at times, but he also very frequently engaged in that over the top type obvious lying, not just with me, but with everybody he came in contact with. He lied constantly about small things, big things, important things, unimportant things, and often would make up outrageous lies and stories just for the fun of it just to see if people would believe him. Then he’d brag about it and how stupid they were. Then he might change the subject and 15 minutes later be telling me he was honest to a fault, and he honestly didn’t understand the contradiction. So IMO with Casey, because she said it was so (like where she said she worked, but actually didn’t, and the info about the nonexistant babysitter), it probably never occured to her that anyone would dare to disbelieve her. These people are so impulsive in their lying, that not only do they expect to be believed, but they can tell you one thing, then something entirely contradictory 5 minutes later (about important and verifiable things) and they really don’t understand they are even contradicting themselves and are amazed you don’t beleive them. They are pathological liars, just like her, and don’t just lie once a week or twice a week, or even once per day, but CONSTANTLY to anybody and everybody, in personal life, work relationships, friends, and to complete strangers they make casual contact with and have no reason to lie to. They also think that if they verbalize in one sentence they are worried about their child (like she did) and then 5 minutes later are complaining that everybody is just worried about the kid, instead of worried about THEM and complain about it, that there is no problem–they don’t get the contradiction. I say psychopath, because although (in my experience) they can be smooth and charming for VERY short spurts of time with those they come in casual contact with, they are so reckless and impulsive that they simply can’t plan ahead and stick to anything,even a storyline that is plausible. It is my opinion she killed the child, then thought up what sounded to her like a good storyline, went about her life as usual without even careful planning of what she would do or say when it became obvious the child was missing, then just told her story of lies, expecting it to be believed, with it never occuring to her how dumb her story sounded or stopping to consider the things she said could be CHECKED OUT. IMO these people are so impulsive and reckless in their behavior, they can only be successful at anything–work, relationships etc. for VERY short periods of time–and only work when they are sucking up to the powers that be and have manipulated people into covering for them. But then, their impulsivenes and recklessness screws that up too and then they blame everyone else, but underneath it all and also obvious is their don’t really give a damn attitude about it all. Like Casey has tried to make short attempts at acting like she cares about her daughter, her true feelings surface with other things she says, and so it is with the psychopath. For the record, although I believe a person with psychopathic traits could be successful, I think it is impossible for anyone who scores above 30 to be successful for over a few weeks or months at ANYTHING (including work) because they act just like CASEY and no matter how much they may try, their rotten core still comes shining thru to anyone who has anything but the most casual of contact with them, because they are gonna suddenly, just out of the blue, when things seem to be going well for them (like at work) do something outrageously stupid and reckless on impulse.


Ok, I’m on a tangent here, let me say I did read “Snakes in Suits” about successful psychopaths, so apparently they can become successful. Mine was always able to suck up to the power at work, and most jobs he’d move up the ladder, but he could never maintain it once he got the position he worked and manipulated so hard for. It was like once he had it, he thought he was GOD and indispensable, then the problems at work began. I mean while “working it” he would move heaven and earth to make a good impression, he’d practically swim thru a flood to get to work. Then, on impulse, he might decide not to go to work on THE most important day of the year workwise for no other reason other than he just didn’t want to, not even bothering to phone in. And if his boss phoned to see why he wasn’t at work, wouldn’t even bother to answer the phone and would be ANNOYED they were even calling. (yes, that really happened). His excuse later to work was that he had to take me to the hospital for an emergency! And he bragged and laughed about how they bought it. I’ve often wondered if the “game” of manipulating–the desire to win the position– satisfied his impulsive and manipulative side, but once he had the position, it wasn’t enough to feed it, thus he acted out” on other ways on the job. Due to his recklessnes and impulsivity, he always either quit or got fired, never holding a position for very long. I’d be willing to bet those people in Snakes in Suits also eventually quit, got fired, or went to jail for some work related crime, thus losing their position not long after it was attained too. 🙂


Personally, I wouldn’t be too quick to judge that grandmother. We all know how easy it is to be taken in by a psychopath sometimes. She sounded just freaked out and worried to me. Obviously Casey had been lying to her the whole time she was missing, and though I’m sure she was worried, it’s possible the grandmother never suspected her daughter would harm the child, until that car came back smelling like a dead body.

The daughter seems like a very immature person and not only an unfit mother, but a reluctant one at best. Her mom may have felt she was practicing tough love with Casey, telling her to keep her baby or else she wouldn’t help her anymore, or something along those lines.

Also, she might not have had enough contact with her daughter to even realize anything was wrong. My mom lived on the other side of the state from me, and she would have never known anything that happened in my life if I didn’t tell her, as the kids and I only saw her twice a year or so.

She may not have even done anything directly to the child. She might have pulled a Britney and left her in the car sleeping while she partied in a dance club. Just an hour or two in a closed car on a hot day can kill a small child.


Kat, I agree about the Grandmother. I read that in documents released by the Orange Co. authorities that Casey’s Mother initially described her as a “sociopath”. And that friends and family described her as a habitual liar. The Grandmother may simply be used to having to take over and do damage control and manage things for Casey.

It is my understanding that Casey and Caylee had actually been living with the Grandmother, then disappeared for awhile, before the Grandmother tracked Casey down. Per Greta Van Sustern, a neighbor saw Casey back her car up to the house (which she never did before) and Casey borrowed a shovel from the neighbor the same day. Later on, after the disappearance, the parents got a registered letter saying the car (which had been titled in their names) had been abandoned and towed, and the GM then started trying to track Casey down. Since the Mother had described Casey as a sociopath, I’m thinking she was probably used to this erratic behavior and disappearances etc. thus didn’t get concerned until the car got towed.

On one of the 911 calls the Grandmother described the car as smelling like a dead body had been in it, and keep in mind she is a Nurse. I think that initial call where the Grandmother sounded so hysterical and adamant that harm had come to the child by way of the Mother reflected her true feelings. I think now she is probably in denial mode, desperately wanting to believe all the bull Casey is feeding her, hoping that Caylee is still alive.

Ox Drover

Haviving GIVEN BIRTH TO A PSYCHOPATH who did kill, I think I did a dis-service to the GRANDMOTHER in my post above. I do think, though, that she has done the same thing with her daughter that I did with my son, and that is to act in an “enabling” way, rather than to cut off all contact with SOMEONE THAT WON’T CHANGE.

I think the Grandmother has held on to the MALIGNANT HOPE that somehow she could effect a semi-positive outcome if she just “tried hard enough” and for the sake of her granddaughter.

Since there is little likelyhood that the child will ever be recovered alive, I am GUESSING that that grandmother is beating herself up with a “If I had not insisted that she keep the baby, the baby might be OK..” “If I had XY or Z, then the baby might be OK” etc. and SO WANTING to BELIEVE that the baby is alive somewhere…

I can’t even imagine how guilty and horrible I would feel if I could even TWIST the circumstances to include that a decision I had made would have resulted in the death of my grandchild. As it was, I “beat myself up” after my son killed the girl he killed, because I kept saying “If I hadn’t done X Y or Z, he wouldn’t have been in Dallas then and the girl would be alive.”

It was interesting too to me that the grandmother was a nurse, and possibly Aloha’s “phrase” of “informed denial” is something that also fits, (as a nurse) I have known and still so that many of us (including me) tend to be enablers, even though we are INFORMED, we counter that with DENIAL.

In any case, I feel for everyone involved in the situation, because it is nothing but PAIN and CHAOS, most likely having resulted in the death of the little girl, and hopefully the conviction and incarceration of her mother (if she is guilty of harming that child) but I also know how the mother feels from a PERSONAL PERSPECTIVE with having my own child be a sociopathic killer.

Ox Drover

Kicking myself again. You know, the more I think about this, the more disappointed I am in myself for judging that grandmother. You would think that if ANYONE IN THE WORLD should have had compassion on that woman whose granddaughter is missing and probably dead, killed most likely by her psychopathic daughter—it would be ME. I am quite disappointed in myself—and quite frankly ashamed of how I reacted toward that woman. In many ways the way I am sure that people probably reacted to finding out that my son is a murderer.

This woman has a heavier burden to bear than I did, because not only is her own child the probable killer, but her granddaughter is probably the victim, so she got the DOUBLE WHAMMY…losing both her daughter and granddaughter. In addition to that, the entire MEDIA CIRCUS is exposing her to public humiliation, shame, criticisim from people just like ME, who even though I OF ALL PEOPLE should know how she feels, jump to condemn her when I am at least as guilty of enabling my own MONSTER SON, and at least I did not have anyone around me who knew what was going on, I didn’t have the blooming National Enquirer on my front steps first thing in the morning, along with CNN etc.

I think it is time I take Jesus’ advice and I take the damned LOG out of my own eye, before I try to take the splinter out of anyone else’s.


Dear OxDrover, Well, we are all only human and prone to drawing conclusions and speculating. Time will tell, hopefully, as more facts surface how accurate any of us are in our perceptions about the case.

I have been following this board for quite awhile before I decided to post. I think you are such a wise and honest person about your feelings and experiences. So, I just wanted to say that as I have been following the board I have gained so much inspiration and strength from so many of your post over tha past few months, and I’ve really been impressed with your honesty and knowledge. I think there is likely alot of people out there in internet land that people like you have helped, even though they never actually post to the board. So, hows about stopping kicking yourself and give yourself a nice pat on the back intead.

Ox Drover

Dear Jen,

Thanks for the “back pat” and the accolades…I am just rather humiliated and ashamed right now of thinking like an ass, and then posting it to the board for “the world to see” as well. It would have been bad enough to have thought the way I did, but to slather it all over the board is even worse. I don’t like to set a “bad example”—and I’m a perfectionist were I AM CONCERNED—and, yes, I am HUMAN….darn it! LOL

After I realized how judgmental and hypocritical I had not only been but sounded in the post—It was like I had a flash back to the three months after my son was arrested for murder. No one knew, outside the family, I kept it secret from even my closest friends, all but one, locked myself in the house for three months, cried night and day, lost 35 pounds, didn’t sleep for two weeks at all, probably should have been hospitalized if the truth were known. Here I am 20+ yrs later, KNOWING how that woman must feel, not just imagining, but KNOWING, and her situation is worse than mine because she has lost not only her daughter but her granddaughter and the PRESS is hounding her. She is hounding herself with doubts, regrets, and here I was, instead of empathizing with her, criticizing her for being “dysfunctional” and enabling with her psychopathic child just the way I was….

I guess the self righteous asses, the hypocritical, Pharisee-like superiority is something that turns my stomach worse than just about anything, and I AM GUILTY OF WHAT I DESPISE MOST. That’s pretty humbling, and I think humbling was what I needed for my judgmental attitude in this case. And, yes, I am human and I do things that are not right, and this was one of those things. I think a lesson in humility was what I needed, or it wouldn’t have happened. (Pride goeth before a fall) and there’s another one, I can’t remember the exact quote, but it is (paraphrased) something along the line of “take care, if you think you are standing, that you don’t fall”

I’ve fallen on my butt enough times that I have a nice thick callous there, so I’m not going to beat myself “to death” over this one, but I did deserve a dose of humility over it. LOL

While I have sympathy for the grandmother, she reminds me a great deal of my former mil. That probably colors my view. The controlling comes from trying to force a sociopath to behave “normally,” it’s obvious she’s been enabling Casey for a long time, and she’s made quite a few contradictory statements herself. We all know what it is like in the shadow of a sociopath- and having listened to interview and comments and jail conversations, the woman is drowning in denial. I wouldn’t want to be in her shoes tonight… I wore a smaller pair once. And our misery WAS made public- locally, not nationally.

On Nancy Grace, they just announced that the substance in the car is human decay.

Ox Drover

While that mother may indeed have “enabled” her psychopathic daughter, and tried to “control” her antisocial behavior, and done everything in her power to try to stop her daughter from self destructing (I did plenty of that with my own P-son) never-the-less, as dysfunctional and as FUTILE as her behavior was, I definitely KNOW HOW SHE IS FEELING. That her whole world has come apart at the seams. I wish I could write her a letter and let her know that she isn’t the only mother in the world who has a P-child that kills.

There are support groups for “parents of murdered children” but as far as I know there are none for “parents of murderers” and I can vouch for the fact that WE hurt just as much as the parents of the murdered child does–because we too have LOST OUR CHILD even though they still “breathe”—there were plenty of times I would have GLADLY traded places with the mother of the girl my son killed, at least she had support, community support, police support, and I was hiding in my house in just as much pain, without any support.

The police called me and talked to me like I was some kind of murderer myself, talking to me in abusive and humiliating ways, like I had just killed and raped a baby, a bus load of babies.

Whatever that woman has done to “enable” her daughter the P, I know for a fact that she is HURTING right now, and whatever mistakes in enabling or judgment she made, just like I made enabling and judgmental mistakes trying to “fix” my own P-son, that woman at least deserves my empathy. I will pray for her tonight, and pray for myself that I don’t ever again unfailrly judge or fail to have empathy for another human being, because I know what it is like to lose a child who is a Psychopath.

I understand Oxy… her devastation tonight is unimaginable.

I’m on the other side of the equation: my children and I are the victims of the xs mother’s enabling ways.


Now Oxy… *tries to hide gleeful grin*.. are you going to quit beating yourself up, or am I going to have to come down there with my rolling pin?

Ox Drover

Kat! A skillet works much better! But thanks for the “threat”–I needed that! LOL

Glinda, I also understand that position too. My own mother enabled my P-son to try to have me killed for his “inheritance” which I had cut him out of…what she didn’t realize and, I think, still doesn’t, is that after I was dead, she would have been NEXT ON HIS LIST to murder. LOL

Even now, she “blames me” because if I have anything to do with it, my P-son will spend the rest of his life in prison. I will speak to the parole board next time he comes up (Jan 2011)and beg them to NEVER LET HIM OUT. Even if I am dead when he comes up for parole, there is a DVD that will go to the parole board of the talk I plan to give them. My other son, C, that was almost killed by my son”s “Trojan Horse Psychopath” that infiltrated our family, under the guise of renting a house from me, has also made a DVD. Fortunately the TH-P is in prison at least until 2010, and my son C’s (now-X) wife, who was having an affair with him, went to jail and confessed and is now out on 5 yrs probation (and hopefully will leave us alone).

So, I do know both sides of the story, of being both the enabling mother of a P as well as the victim of the P and also a victim of my own TOXICLY enabling mother. I lost a son, and lost my mother—or at least my ILLUSION of a “loving, but mistaken” mother– and I now realize that her enabling is so entrenched and so controlling and so malicious that she would have been more than willing to trade my life for my P-son to get out of prison (where he is incarcerated for murder) and come home and live with her before she died.

The GOOD that has come out of this, however, I now see OVER POWERS the bad by 100X–I regained my son C, who was under the thrall of his P-brother, and living in an abusive relationship with his P-wife, and I am P-FREE for the first time in my entire life! Freeing my son C from the clutches of his P-X-wife alone was worth it all. He is recovering nicely, though I know it was painful for him, just like for us all—he lost his wife, his brother, and his grandmother, but he gained a great deal of insight and is also living a P-FREE life now as well.

I would “bet the farm” that that P-girl/woman did not arise out of a vacuum and that her father or at least one grandparent was also a P, so I am sure her mother has had previous experience with a P–and trying to “normalize” them, which many of us do, leads to throwing meat to a two-headed dog to try to keep it from devouring us (enabling)—may be a consequence of this previous (continuing?) exposure to other Ps within the family. My lineage of Ps on both sides I don’t think is unique to my family—I wish it was. My P-son, however, was the first CONVICTED criminal—the rest of them just didn’t get caught or convicted, though their “crimes” were much worse than his in many instances.


I read that the released documents from Orange County authorities says that several of Casey’s friends called the police after she was arrested and said that not only was she a habitual liar, but also that she had stolen from them. She has no previous criminal record, but like I was saying on another thread, that doesn’t mean they aren’t engaging in criminal behavior, but like her, their behavior just hasn’t been brought to the attention of police in order to get arrested. I saw that bailbondsman on tv’s Nancy Grace and he is regretful of getting involved and said after released from jail she never said a word to try to help find the child.

Ox Drover

Dear Jen,

After my son killed the girl he murdered, he was arrested the next day as her friends reported her missing and that he was the last one seen with her and had actually told them he had killed her….it was two weeks though before the police actally found her body by putting a “jail house snitch” (under cover policeman) into the cell with him and he actually asked the “new-found friend” to go move the body for him after he was “released”—and told his “friend” the location of the girl’s body.

My son has nothing but CONTEMPT for the cops who are “stupid” and of course he is a “master mind”—funny though, he has been nabbed, prosecuted and convicted of every major crime he has ever committeed—so who is “stupid” NOW?! THE COPS. obviously—at least to HIS way of thinking!

It is “unbelieveable” how unfeeling some of the “worst” of the Ps are—my son for one—and I can name many others that were more widely covered in the press, and this gal seems to be one of them. They would “telll a lie when the truth would fit better” because they just DON’T GET IT that their behavior is not “mainstream”—my son can “fake it” pretty well sometimes because he is very “bright” and yet, in so many
ways he is so TRANSPARENT that you can “see right though him”—but he is like the old nursery rhyme, “there one was a little girl, who had a little curl, right in the middle of her forehead, and when she was good, she was very very good, and when she was bad, she was HORID.”

They can be so “charming” when they want to that it is sooooo difficult to “remember” the times they are HORID. The last time I saw my P-X-DIL, she was so charming that if I had not had a “photograph” of her trying to kill my son embedded in my mind, I would have fallen under her “spell”—it’s the only time in the 8 yrs I have known her that she ever exuded any “warmth” in her interactons toward me.

Maybe if this goes to trial it will have a positive outcome in educating the public that people who exibit the psychopathic behaviors CAN BE DANGEROUS, and that the “Petty” crimes of continual lying and theft, etc. even though they don’t get them a “criminal record” may still be indicitive of DANGER. I hope there is some GOOD of some kind that comes out of such a horrible situation.

Ox Drover

He was interviewed on DAteline tonight, and information about his background was also detailed.

The interview was a laughingstock! He was so “vague” about all his past and “didn’t remember” anything. Blamed his wife for him kidnapping the daughter, “cried” because he was separated from her “unfairly”–made his wife out to be a bad mother, and the usual crap. NOT EVEN REMOTELY BELIEVEABLE.

Admitted he had used “other names”–but like “pen names” of authors, and was so pathetic. “Pity me” crap too.

Was careful on several fronts to not give straight answers but “spoke word salad” in answer several times.

When asked where he got the name “Rockefeller” he said that “someone he cared about very much GAVE It to him, but his attorney wouldn’t let him say who”— LOL When asked what he intended to do with his daughter, keep her or eventually give her back he wouldn’t say what his intentions were. He seemed to be enjoying the lime light as well. LOL

Ugh- how could you stomach another round of that guy, Oxy? LOL

In another earlier interview, he called his daughter, “the love of my life.”

Creepy. Creepy. Creepy.

Ox Drover

I actually hadn’t seen him interviewed before and I was just curious about what he would sound like. My computer is so slow that logging on to video takes FOREVER so I don’t do it very often.

CREEPY is the truth. They interviewed some woman he had dated when he lived in California and she was saying how creepy he was, and she never went out with him again. They also interviewed the “best friend” of the people who “disappeared”–and some people who he had worked with on the “stock broker” job where he got fired, and on one other job where he was there two days and gave an ecuse that his family was kidnapped in another country and he had to leave to go raise ransom. LOL

He WAS CREEPY. Sounded so affected and phony. Trying to appear “cultural” but not knowing how. (quoting Scots poetry in a phony sounding Scots accent). As my grandmother would say “putting on aires” and didn’t know how to pull it off.

They said that Sandra Boss wouldn’t be interviewed for the program but sent a letter saying “Don’t believe a word he says.” LOL

Nah, I’ve had ENOUGH of seeing and hearing him (his interview was only about 5-6 minutes of the program) but I just wanted to see him out of curiosity one time.


Hey Oxy, I’m glad someone saw the show and reported it back. I had it scheduled upstairs to tune in … but found that I never made it to the room … I’m watching TV downstairs and forgot to tune that TV in to the show. I’m watching the IKE stories, checking on TEXAS … don’t want souls to loose everything down there. We have our hands full with the New Orleans folks and their catastrophe … still not resolved. Such a shame … those folks need help and all they got was LIP SERVICE. Sound familiar anyone blogging tonight? Took their money for paying their premiums and ran … SHAME on the ones that turned their backs on others. SHAME, SHAME, SHAME.

So Rocky’s story was a flat zone. Not surprised. I don’t think any thing surprises me any more. I do find my head shaking back and forth … out of habit.

Oh, about female anti-social in the world. That site was closed for telling what we know … here goes, quick and to the point. Women anti-socials play all the angles. The play the courts, they play the unions, they play the bosses, real and anti-social bosses. They play the poor, poor pitiful me “women’s cry of manipulation” BY the male bosses etc. Except, these women seduce the male bosses. These anti-socials (the men) have no clue what the anti-socials (the women) are really all about. Talk about anti-socials getting over on the other anti-socials. The male anti-socials are nothing compared to the female anti-socials. All of them (male and female) know what they are doing, set the trap years in advance, slink back … watch the seeds they planted take sprout … and watch the destruction safely from their black little cubby holes, always, always pointing the fingers at innocents that have nothing to do with their shennigans. It’s a total disgrace … and they laugh all the way to the bank on everything they do. I worked with anti-social women who would scream at the top of their lungs in the office “who do we have to f&#k to get a promotion in here”. Then they do them … get the promotion … and the saga continues. So, don’t be fooled by them … they work for or are the big bosses and play all the angles that they will win, you will loose. Then they bat their eyes and cry foul if anyone should get close to knowing what they are all about … now you know who did me in … and I knew them … I knew what they were all about … couldn’t have me still working there and not selling out. The most disgusting was the woman that had the big boss … paying all her bills, sleeping with him behind his fiance’s back … when she left her apartment … she left her cat in the apartment with a little bit of food and water, locked the door and left the poor little cat behind. The super didn’t come around for over 3 weeks to repaint. When he opened the door … the cat ran like crazy to get out of that trap. Poor thing. Then she smiled to her (1st) husband and said you and me hon and your daughter … when we get married, we’ll be one big happy family. So, la-di-da, they married … weeks later, her new husband’s daughter from his previous marriage went to a foster home. Bio-mom was in a mental hospital … couldn’t take care of this precious little girl. She was only about 8 when they married. Years later when the daughter was about 16-17. This anti-social took the daughter and her friends to the lake. 16-17 year olds, with bikinis at the lake. Well, every guy their age came over like bees to honey. The anti-social came in to work on Monday and was jealous of 16-17 year olds. Miffed that she was the old bat of 40 something at the time and not the red hot stuff anymore. Heard her complaints for years after that. That’s how superficial they are. No substance, just ego. Ego that goes on and on and on and on. For the big ego females that became supervisors and bosses. They never did any work except to put their names on work others completed. All they did, day in and day out, year in and year out was complain about the newest pieces of meat that were doing the bosses (their ex lovers). They were used and tossed aside … but got the promotions, money, and the titles. And yes folks, they work in places that your tax dollars go to … they are the last say in what to do with your lives … It’s beyond ridiculous and sad. All day long, 5 days a week, 8 hours a day, listening to them complaining about who’s dating who (and they are married to boot) and OF course, getting kicked in the butt because of their jealousy of who is sleeping with the bosses and assuming others do the same as they did. Clueless that others have morals and ethics … how do you spell those words and what do they mean????


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