Editor’s note: The following article refers to spiritual concepts. Please read Lovefraud’s statement on Spiritual Recovery.
Lovefraud recently received the following e-mail from a reader who posts as “lostgirl.”
I fell hopelessly in love with (read as I would have given him my real heart and died for him) a sociopath/psychopath.
Skip the details.
I am four years divorced.
There isn’t a day that goes by that I don’t grieve the loss of the relationship I thought I had. I cognitively know that the person I married was not who I thought he was and I even believe I know how he came to be. Unfortunately, I have never felt anger, only sadness for what I viewed as the person he could have been that was taken from him long ago. I see him as an addict and myself as having been addicted to him.
Somehow, now, I still cannot move on. I have been through many short relationships, all ended well for me and usually I ended the relationship when I noticed red flags, the ones I kept close at heart. Again, I am in a new relationship and experiencing all the anxiety all over again (each new relationship triggers this). Including nightmares of the ex-sociopath and agonizing over how to know when someone is genuine. Good words are empty and promises of future fall on my deaf ears because I was disheartened so gravely before.
I have become cold and detached. I feel less emotion for every single thing in my life than at any time ever. All things I own, animals, family, I feel as though I am in a stage of suspended life, I cannot bond. I take care of my animals, I take care of my parents, nothing I own feels as if it’s mine, only borrowed, including relationships. I feel fake and alone.
I truly liked the person I met that I am in a relationship with now, but as with all the others after a short time (three months), I begin to feel less and look critically at their words and life as if I am subconsciously talking myself out of taking the risk of succeeding because of the pool of “thought I had’s” that live inside my head.
I know that a good relationship takes time to grow. How can I give myself the time to grow a relationship when I am so busy still flashing back to a relationship that was agony? He compliments me and I toss it aside. He talks about his life and experiences and I’m trying to assemble timeframes in my head to make sure he isn’t lying to me. It’s as if I’m trying to analyze my way in to a sincere relationship by slicing and dicing all the input/information I’m given. In the meantime I’ve dehumanized the relationship in my head and nearly severed any chance at bonding.
I have read post after post from people and articles all over the internet. What I haven’t found is any truly helpful advice for someone like me.
I fear I have lost the ability to connect permanently because I cannot logically define what is not deceitful at the moment it occurs. What is unselfish, I look for selfishness in. All good is lost because I have become obsessed with what is wrong with what is right.
How do I get back to identifying reality and trusting when it is proper? I feel that my mind was raped and I have lost the ability to connect on any level with anyone. I feel like a shell and I can see through everyone in my life, it would be so easy to be just like him (the ex) but I am not driven to “want” like he did. I see the holes in people and it is so easy for me to identify what is exploitable.
I hate this person I’ve become. I want to climb out of the shell and return to who I was before I fell in “love.”
Help I’m lost.
Realm of Numb
A very wise spiritual counselor once said that unresolved anger becomes rage, and unresolved rage becomes numbness. I think that’s what has happened to Lostgirl—she has moved into the Realm of Numb.
She was so in love with the sociopath that she would have died for him. In effect, that is what she did. Her life spark is gone. She no longer finds joy in her family and animals. She looks for deception in new relationships. She no longer trusts herself to know when she can trust another human being.
The Realm of Numb isn’t a place of pain. It’s a place of emptiness, of nothingness, of void. And it’s a place where none of us should be.
But how do we escape? How do we leave behind the feeling of fakeness, and recover the feeling of authenticity?
Search for meaning
One of the books that Lovefraud recommends to everyone who has experienced the trauma of a sociopath is The Betrayal Bond, by Patrick J. Carnes, Ph.D. The book explains the circumstances that can cause us to form traumatic bonds with an abuser, and provides exercises to help readers unravel those bonds.
When I read the book, I highlighted only one sentence that Carnes wrote, and this is it:
My experience with survivors of trauma is that every journey of recovery depends on the survivor coming to a point where all that person has gone through means something.
This is the key. This is how we truly recover. There is always meaning in what has happened to us, although it can be difficult to find. In fact, that’s what makes the destructive relationships with sociopaths so excruciatingly painful—we can’t figure out why they happened. We did nothing to deserve the betrayal. Our intentions were honorable. So why did this happen to us?
Answers in the past
For many of us, the answer lies in our past. If we’ve experienced an abusive relationship, and were not able to recover, we are primed for another abusive relationship. The problem is even more insidious if we were abused as children, because our whole idea of what is “normal” in a relationship is terribly skewed.
But issues of the past need not be as overtly damaging as abuse. Perhaps our childhoods were basically okay, but we’ve always felt somewhat insignificant, or undeserving of love. We may have had “good enough” parenting, but our parents focused on achievement, and we grew up believing that we were loved for what we could do, not for who we are. Beliefs like these, even when they’re unconscious, can create vulnerabilities for sociopaths to exploit.
It’s also possible that there is a deep spiritual reason for becoming involved with a sociopath. This is what happened to me. I believe that we all come into this life with lessons to learn, and sometimes the lessons are painful. I discuss this more thoroughly in another blog article, Why did this happen to me?
Some people may not be comfortable with the idea of searching for the meaning of the entanglement with a sociopath. It may feel easier to think we were just in the wrong place at the wrong time, and ran into the wrong person. We just want to brush the encounter aside.
I think this attitude is only a band-aid, and sooner or later, if we don’t find the root cause, we’ll repeat experience. There is meaning, and discovering it leads to healing.
Research, therapy, introspection
So how do we do this? How do we find meaning in what may appear to be a random victimization?
Here’s an important point: True healing doesn’t just happen by itself. True healing requires personal effort.
The first step is to be willing to look for the meaning. Sometimes this, in itself, is difficult. We may be afraid of the painful memories. We may have tried to shove the experience into the past. We may be afraid that if we start crying, we’ll never stop. By being willing, we face these fears, and we may discover, to our surprise, that we can overcome them.
The actual process of finding meaning will probably involve some combination of research, therapy and introspection.
Research: This means educating ourselves not only about the sociopathic disorder, but also about the characteristics and attitudes of a whole, healthy person. We need to understand what we’ve been through, and what we want to become.
Therapy: By therapy, I mean seeking support from other human beings. This could mean working with a therapist or counselor. Or, it may simply be seeking the advice of an understanding, trusted friend, or other members of Lovefraud.
Introspection: Somewhere, deep within us, we know the answers. If we can quiet our minds, with meditation or just sitting in stillness, information will bubble up into our awareness. We may become aware of the mistaken, limiting beliefs that we didn’t know we had. We may receive intuitive guidance about what we should do. If we allow ourselves to seek the truth within, we will find it.
Emotional experience
We cannot expect the process of finding meaning to be simply an intellectual exercise. The bottom line is, we are in pain, pain that may be so entrenched that it has become numbness.
Pain is emotional. The release of pain is also emotional. Therefore, the search for meaning is an emotional experience. The meaning may be buried under anger, hatred, disappointment and fear, and we need to plow through all those emotions in order to find it. And this isn’t a one-time event. We may release anger, only to find more rise up to take its place. This may happen again, and again, and again. The truth is, we are all walking around in pools of pain, and draining the pools takes time.
The expression of these emotions is not pretty, and many people may not have the strength to be with us as we do it. I found that I could only do it with my therapist, or alone. So I sat in my spare room, which I call the meditation room, crying, pounding pillows in rage, and recording my rants in my journal.
But once we release the emotions, they’re gone, leaving room within us to fill with other emotions—like hope, love and joy.
To Lostgirl
Lostgirl, here is what I want you to know: You were betrayed by a sociopath. This is an experience that happened to you. It is not who you are. You are you; the experience is the experience. Do not confuse the two.
There is a meaning for the experience, and it will help you to discover it. This will require effort and commitment on your part. Take the steps. Make a commitment to yourself, to your own growth and happiness. What better commitment could you make?
Find the meaning. But don’t go on a self-help expedition to the exclusion of all else. Here’s a secret: When you focus on any joy in your life, no matter how small, and feel gratitude for the joy, you create an internal energy that attracts more joy.
Healing our hearts is always the answer. To heal, unearth the pain, and replace it with joy. The process may take time, but eventually the life spark will return, brighter than it ever was.
LL….you seemed to take two steps forward, and three steps back! I suggest you get your meds straightened out. You said that you needed to get off of them for the biopsy. NO GOOD! You cannot fool around with psychotropic drugs! I personally don’t believe in them, because I have seen them make people worse! It looks to me by your posts..that they are causing a chemical change in your brain that is NOT good. You are raging, suicidal and even homocidal!!! You are full of rage.
PLEASE call your psychiatrist (MD) and your psychologist and get help!
You are freaking out and its not good. You have children to take care of!!!!! You need to get help. I hear and feel desparation in your posts!!!
All you want is your abuser back so that you can make him love you like you want to be loved! He is NOT capable of loving you or anyone. You don’t want to accept this!!!
You want to talk to him so badly to express yourself to him…express your anger. Instead you are turning it inward on yourself!!!!! Please talk to you therapist about what you can do NOW to stop the bleeding!!!! YOu need professional help! I am worried about you and your children!
tobe – i find your post to LL to be off base. the woman is struggling, she is not homicidal. I read her posts all the time and have no idea where you got that.
and being full of rage is not an indictment here – many of us are/ were. it’s a necessary reality for many, and not necessarily evidence of poor assimilation of ssri medication. That said, I asked the questions of LL above, because I am concerned that there might be a problem with the ssri for her, and if that is the case then she needs some help with it. LL has been on ssri medication before, she has experience, and experience with difficulty with the medication.
i don’t usually pipe up about someone else’s posts – but i find your above post to be fear-mongering and i don’t think LL needs that. Any chance you might go over it and calm it down a bit?
I’m sorry but she is talking about wanting to die and raging.
I’ve seen a change in her in the last few days. I’m worried about her!!! Her therapist told her to call when she needed and I think she needs to talk to him to calm her down.
I remember when my xhusb/socio left me penniless with 3 babies…and I was breaking down fast. I didn’t even see it. My girfriends saw be spiriling down..and I was!!
I had to see my therapist 3 times a week and the medication they gave me made me CRAZY and worse than ever!!!
Once I got to the doctor and he took me off and I saw my therapist 3 times a week….I calmed down and I was feeling much better.
Its hard to tell when we are writing here….and don’t hear someone in person. But, her posts seemed to be very desparate and raging and I feel helpless being here in cyberspace.
Just trying to help.
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Dear Lesson Learned,
I am concerned with your posts and the indication of your “panic attacks” and your comments about “wanting to die” and not knowing how to help yourself, but sincerely wanting to help others.
I sincerely suggest that you call your therapist and speak with with him/her and that you consider an evaluation by a psychiatrist.
Even as a retired mental health professional I can’t “diagnose” what is going on with you over a blog (and no one can) and I am NOT trying to “diagnose” you, but I am sincerely concerned for your emotional state of mind right now. Any time someone has expressed desire not to live, or wishing they would just die, even though they have no plans to hurt themselves, the situation is SERIOUS and needs, PROFESSIONAL ASSESSMENT.
While Lovefraud is a wonderful place for advice and support it is NOT a substitute for mental health care or diagnosis or treatment. I think you need PROFESSIONAL medical and mental health advice and treatment, not people who tell you “I don’t approve of medication for depression” or offering one or another untrained “medical” opinion.
I sincerely suggest that you call your therapist today and if you can’t reach him, then call or go to the emergency room of the nearest hospital. God bless.
I agree Oxy….even though everyone on here thinks I am attaqcking LL….I hear desparation in her voice!!
THANKS for validating that I am not attacking her, since some posters on here think that I am.
TOBEHAPPY,m
I don’t think that you were attacking LL, but I think your post above
QUOTE: “the medication they gave me made me CRAZY and worse than ever!!!
Once I got to the doctor and he took me off and I saw my therapist 3 times a week”.I calmed down and I was feeling much better.”
Is not helpful. No one regardless of medical education can diagnose anyone over the internet, and since you are also NOT medically trained, whatever PERSONAL EXPERIENCE YOU HAD WITH ONE DRUG is not relevant to LL’s case.
I also “hear” desperation in her voice and that was why I suggested that she seek PROFESSIONAL ADVICE AND DIAGNOSIS AND TREATMENT. LF has its place but treating or supporting people who are in a major medical/emotional/mental melt down is not one of them, except to steer them in the direction of professional help.
As for others thinking you are attacking her, my opinion on that is thusly—since you have decided to break NC and go back to being “friends” with the man you claimed was abusing you, I think the APPEARANCE of you giving advice to someone else is sort of like a guy standing up in an AA meeting, drunk, with a bottle in his hands, telling other people how to quit drinking. I think it is sort of like what Jesus told the Pharisees, to get the “log out of their own eye before they tried to get the splinter out of their neighbor’s eye and they would be able to see more clearly how to help someone else.”
I think to one degree or another we ALL try to pick the splinters out of our neighbor’s eyes as we are able to see what is “wrong” with them while failing COMPLETELY to see our own problems.
Believe me, 2B I am VERY GUILTY OF THAT MYSELF—I actually looked down on women who were so stupid they would go back to a man who beat them over and over and over. I felt I would NEVER HAVE DONE THAT. Yet, I did JUST THE SAME by allowing my own SON to beat me both physically and emotionally. So how was I any “bettter” or “smarter” than the women at the DV shelter who went back after the guy broke their arm, blacked their eye, knocked out their teeth? I wasn’t a bit better—in fact, worse, because I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN BETTER. I was a professionally educated medical and mental health professional and still I wasn’t any “smarter” in how I ran my life then these women without a high school degree. If anything, I was DUMBER because I didn’t put my education, my knowledge and my smarts to use.
In short, before you reach out to help someone else, I think maybe you might want to get your own house in order. Someone (forget who) said that they thought you kNOW that you are making a bad mistake becoming “friends” with this guy again, or you wouldn’t be here trying to make excuses of why you are doing it and why it is a good thing. I agree with that poster’s assessment. If you are so sure you are “right” in doing what you are doing, why are you here? I’m not trying to drive you away by any means, but I think you need to look at your own situation and get the “log out of your own eye” as far as this man is concerned.
tobe,
What you “Hear” is through a blog. I keep that in mind as I write this this morning.
One, thank you for backing me up and you’re exactly right. Last night, I decided to get off blog and talk to my parents (foster parents), and I did for quite some time. I also had a very long, very good talk with my youngest son last night. I decided not to return and to read and get some sleep. I’m feeling much better this morning, yesterday is over. Oxy, thank you for your concern. I appreciate it.
I continue with my medications. And my therapy and I will continue to do so.
tobe, I don’t know where you got that I was raging, with the exception of your now decision to continue your relationshit with your spath in whatever form that may be. That doesn’t make me a rager or a homicidal maniac. I felt that was largely defensive on your part. I care very much for you and I’m sorry this is the decision you’re making, however you are a big girl and it’s your right to make it.
Whatever works for you, insofar as depression and pain, is what works for you. I would appreciate everyone not try to make a diagnosis or to assume one on me. I”ve seen many on here with bad days and struggling mightily, feeling despair. Feeling like you just want to die. I see that here all the time with newbies so it should not come as a shock when it happens to me. Yesterday was a horrible day for me. I think the worst since NC.
Talking it through with “live” people helped me to become centered again. While I think this blog is a great place for support, I also think it just doesn’t replace the support that is in person around me.
Lots of lessons still left to learn.
LL
Well, I sure do agree with you that none of us on here are professionals. We are a support group. There have been posters on here who were still living with their abuser and coming here for support to possibly build them up so that they can leave.
I was NOT giving LL advice. I merely saw a woman who was talking about dying and it scared me. I only stated what worked for ME. The meds weren’t right and I took action to change my situation before I spiraled down to another total breakdown. I wasn’t telling her to get off of the meds. She needs to get professional help as I did when I was in a bad way. So, I want to clarify that. I was just giving her advice on how to help herself.
ALL of us here are or have been hurt by our involvement with a sociopath or conartist or abuser. Yet, we all try to help. We all deal with our different situations in our own way.
I didn’t say that I was going back with my xbf. When I first posted on this site I was breaking up with my xbf for the second time. In July, 2009, I broke up with him for 4 months and then went back for 5 months. At the end of that breakup….I knew it was more than just him. I was triggered by him to face my demons from my childhood. I did just that. When I felt strong enough to talk to him…after 5 months…I did. We decided to remain friends since that time, July. I was posting on here the entire time he was in my life….still working on bettering myself….and things were ok because of my strong boundaries. I decided to cut him out in Jan…I needed time alone and now I chose to talk to him again.
So, this had been my pattern. We both want each other in our lives. We get along well when we are not involved physically.
So this is our choice. We are mature adults and have come to an agreement.
This does NOT mean that I am not qualified to give my advice on how to avoid being abused and how to build yourself up.
I am stronger and happier now than when I posted on here a total mess. I worked hard to learn to love myself.
Will any of us ever attract or get involved with another sociopath? It depends on the stage of recovery. This is an individual thing. Some are still vulnerable and need to go back until they learn. I think I’m way beyond that.
I’ve learned to love myself and be totally dependent on myself for love, attention, and approval. Noone can give that to me but me. I’m in a good place.
I’m intelligent to know how to deal with anyone in my life that I feel is not treating me right or trying to use and manipulate me.
My bf and I discussed our relationship, and why it didn’t work over and over and decided to just be friends. Everyone is underestimating my intelligence and emotional stability and calling me STUPID and FULLOF SHIT…etc. I would NEVER attack anyone like that. But, I understand that they are just talking about how they feel about themselves.
I don’t judge and I don’t expect anyone to judge me. My life is in the best order it has ever been, even in the midst of a foreclosure that is coming to a head now. I am handling things the best I can.
To call me a “fool” or “full of shit” is very insensitive and NOT tough “love”. It is cruel. But, I understand that some people on here are going through stages of anger, hurt, etc…still. So, I overlook and forgive them.
If I give advice and someone wants to ignore it…its ok. I can only offer to help with what I have learned and what worked to help build me up to a place of inner peace.
LL….the way your wrote scared me. Thats all. I’m glad you spoke to someone in person. This is just a support group to vent and comment. It could actually be hurtful if we take it wrong. One poster left when she felt attacked here about her situation. I’m sure no one means to hurt anyone. We must be careful on what we say on here. Many people are sensitive and still hurting. Even “tough love” can be taken wrong.
I never said that I was going back to have a love relationship with my xbf. He wanted to see me, give me the gifts he bought…show me that he does care and he realized that he wasn’t showing me enough…because he is going thru some issues right now with work. I accepted the gifts and he knew that it wasn’t to get me back into bed or a r/s . We talked like two good friends and I learned a lot about him I didn’t know.
We plan to stay in touch and talk and go out sometimes. Thats all.
I do appreciate everyone’s concern and support. Just be a bit easy on here……words that are read and not heard can hurt.
I know you will be ok. Call your therapist if you ever get down and stuck. I used to call mine everyday! lol.
She offered that to me because she knew I was not doing well and didn’t want to hospitalize me because I had babies to care for. She charged my insurance for the calls.
So, don’t feel badly to reach out for help!! OK???
We are all here for support…because other friends call us “fools” etc….so we need to be easy on each other.
I am here via email too.
HUGS