Editor’s note: The following article refers to spiritual concepts. Please read Lovefraud’s statement on Spiritual Recovery.
Lovefraud recently received the following e-mail from a reader who posts as “lostgirl.”
I fell hopelessly in love with (read as I would have given him my real heart and died for him) a sociopath/psychopath.
Skip the details.
I am four years divorced.
There isn’t a day that goes by that I don’t grieve the loss of the relationship I thought I had. I cognitively know that the person I married was not who I thought he was and I even believe I know how he came to be. Unfortunately, I have never felt anger, only sadness for what I viewed as the person he could have been that was taken from him long ago. I see him as an addict and myself as having been addicted to him.
Somehow, now, I still cannot move on. I have been through many short relationships, all ended well for me and usually I ended the relationship when I noticed red flags, the ones I kept close at heart. Again, I am in a new relationship and experiencing all the anxiety all over again (each new relationship triggers this). Including nightmares of the ex-sociopath and agonizing over how to know when someone is genuine. Good words are empty and promises of future fall on my deaf ears because I was disheartened so gravely before.
I have become cold and detached. I feel less emotion for every single thing in my life than at any time ever. All things I own, animals, family, I feel as though I am in a stage of suspended life, I cannot bond. I take care of my animals, I take care of my parents, nothing I own feels as if it’s mine, only borrowed, including relationships. I feel fake and alone.
I truly liked the person I met that I am in a relationship with now, but as with all the others after a short time (three months), I begin to feel less and look critically at their words and life as if I am subconsciously talking myself out of taking the risk of succeeding because of the pool of “thought I had’s” that live inside my head.
I know that a good relationship takes time to grow. How can I give myself the time to grow a relationship when I am so busy still flashing back to a relationship that was agony? He compliments me and I toss it aside. He talks about his life and experiences and I’m trying to assemble timeframes in my head to make sure he isn’t lying to me. It’s as if I’m trying to analyze my way in to a sincere relationship by slicing and dicing all the input/information I’m given. In the meantime I’ve dehumanized the relationship in my head and nearly severed any chance at bonding.
I have read post after post from people and articles all over the internet. What I haven’t found is any truly helpful advice for someone like me.
I fear I have lost the ability to connect permanently because I cannot logically define what is not deceitful at the moment it occurs. What is unselfish, I look for selfishness in. All good is lost because I have become obsessed with what is wrong with what is right.
How do I get back to identifying reality and trusting when it is proper? I feel that my mind was raped and I have lost the ability to connect on any level with anyone. I feel like a shell and I can see through everyone in my life, it would be so easy to be just like him (the ex) but I am not driven to “want” like he did. I see the holes in people and it is so easy for me to identify what is exploitable.
I hate this person I’ve become. I want to climb out of the shell and return to who I was before I fell in “love.”
Help I’m lost.
Realm of Numb
A very wise spiritual counselor once said that unresolved anger becomes rage, and unresolved rage becomes numbness. I think that’s what has happened to Lostgirl—she has moved into the Realm of Numb.
She was so in love with the sociopath that she would have died for him. In effect, that is what she did. Her life spark is gone. She no longer finds joy in her family and animals. She looks for deception in new relationships. She no longer trusts herself to know when she can trust another human being.
The Realm of Numb isn’t a place of pain. It’s a place of emptiness, of nothingness, of void. And it’s a place where none of us should be.
But how do we escape? How do we leave behind the feeling of fakeness, and recover the feeling of authenticity?
Search for meaning
One of the books that Lovefraud recommends to everyone who has experienced the trauma of a sociopath is The Betrayal Bond, by Patrick J. Carnes, Ph.D. The book explains the circumstances that can cause us to form traumatic bonds with an abuser, and provides exercises to help readers unravel those bonds.
When I read the book, I highlighted only one sentence that Carnes wrote, and this is it:
My experience with survivors of trauma is that every journey of recovery depends on the survivor coming to a point where all that person has gone through means something.
This is the key. This is how we truly recover. There is always meaning in what has happened to us, although it can be difficult to find. In fact, that’s what makes the destructive relationships with sociopaths so excruciatingly painful—we can’t figure out why they happened. We did nothing to deserve the betrayal. Our intentions were honorable. So why did this happen to us?
Answers in the past
For many of us, the answer lies in our past. If we’ve experienced an abusive relationship, and were not able to recover, we are primed for another abusive relationship. The problem is even more insidious if we were abused as children, because our whole idea of what is “normal” in a relationship is terribly skewed.
But issues of the past need not be as overtly damaging as abuse. Perhaps our childhoods were basically okay, but we’ve always felt somewhat insignificant, or undeserving of love. We may have had “good enough” parenting, but our parents focused on achievement, and we grew up believing that we were loved for what we could do, not for who we are. Beliefs like these, even when they’re unconscious, can create vulnerabilities for sociopaths to exploit.
It’s also possible that there is a deep spiritual reason for becoming involved with a sociopath. This is what happened to me. I believe that we all come into this life with lessons to learn, and sometimes the lessons are painful. I discuss this more thoroughly in another blog article, Why did this happen to me?
Some people may not be comfortable with the idea of searching for the meaning of the entanglement with a sociopath. It may feel easier to think we were just in the wrong place at the wrong time, and ran into the wrong person. We just want to brush the encounter aside.
I think this attitude is only a band-aid, and sooner or later, if we don’t find the root cause, we’ll repeat experience. There is meaning, and discovering it leads to healing.
Research, therapy, introspection
So how do we do this? How do we find meaning in what may appear to be a random victimization?
Here’s an important point: True healing doesn’t just happen by itself. True healing requires personal effort.
The first step is to be willing to look for the meaning. Sometimes this, in itself, is difficult. We may be afraid of the painful memories. We may have tried to shove the experience into the past. We may be afraid that if we start crying, we’ll never stop. By being willing, we face these fears, and we may discover, to our surprise, that we can overcome them.
The actual process of finding meaning will probably involve some combination of research, therapy and introspection.
Research: This means educating ourselves not only about the sociopathic disorder, but also about the characteristics and attitudes of a whole, healthy person. We need to understand what we’ve been through, and what we want to become.
Therapy: By therapy, I mean seeking support from other human beings. This could mean working with a therapist or counselor. Or, it may simply be seeking the advice of an understanding, trusted friend, or other members of Lovefraud.
Introspection: Somewhere, deep within us, we know the answers. If we can quiet our minds, with meditation or just sitting in stillness, information will bubble up into our awareness. We may become aware of the mistaken, limiting beliefs that we didn’t know we had. We may receive intuitive guidance about what we should do. If we allow ourselves to seek the truth within, we will find it.
Emotional experience
We cannot expect the process of finding meaning to be simply an intellectual exercise. The bottom line is, we are in pain, pain that may be so entrenched that it has become numbness.
Pain is emotional. The release of pain is also emotional. Therefore, the search for meaning is an emotional experience. The meaning may be buried under anger, hatred, disappointment and fear, and we need to plow through all those emotions in order to find it. And this isn’t a one-time event. We may release anger, only to find more rise up to take its place. This may happen again, and again, and again. The truth is, we are all walking around in pools of pain, and draining the pools takes time.
The expression of these emotions is not pretty, and many people may not have the strength to be with us as we do it. I found that I could only do it with my therapist, or alone. So I sat in my spare room, which I call the meditation room, crying, pounding pillows in rage, and recording my rants in my journal.
But once we release the emotions, they’re gone, leaving room within us to fill with other emotions—like hope, love and joy.
To Lostgirl
Lostgirl, here is what I want you to know: You were betrayed by a sociopath. This is an experience that happened to you. It is not who you are. You are you; the experience is the experience. Do not confuse the two.
There is a meaning for the experience, and it will help you to discover it. This will require effort and commitment on your part. Take the steps. Make a commitment to yourself, to your own growth and happiness. What better commitment could you make?
Find the meaning. But don’t go on a self-help expedition to the exclusion of all else. Here’s a secret: When you focus on any joy in your life, no matter how small, and feel gratitude for the joy, you create an internal energy that attracts more joy.
Healing our hearts is always the answer. To heal, unearth the pain, and replace it with joy. The process may take time, but eventually the life spark will return, brighter than it ever was.
2B,
I understand that it’s been difficult to find a counselor in your area. I couldn’t find one for me either on my budget. Venting on LF is probably good for you until you can find someone.
The reason everyone is telling you to find a counselor though is because you have a very small window to make a difference in your daughter’s life, if it is at all possible. This small window will change the course of your life and hers for a long long time.
Part of the problem is that you both feel entitled. You feel that your sacrifices have earned you her respect. Your sacrifices were your decisions and she didn’t “get” that you were using them to buy her respect. She thought you were making them because she was entitled to them. That’s how it looked from her child’s view.
When/If you have any contact with her, you can’t expect immediate change in the way you interact with each other. It will take many interactions in which YOU lead with the new way of interacting. She will follow, once she picks up the cues. Right now though, you don’t have the cues either. You BOTH have to change if this is going to work. That’s why counseling for YOU is so important. You need someone to show you the correct cues that you can model for her. Obviously the way you were interacting with her in the past did not work out well. You need to try something radically different.
I am on a waiting list for professional help. I did go to my DV counselor who told me that she cannot take me as a patient anymore because its not a DV case.
I was so proud of one thing in my life…that I was a great mother who was 110% into my children. I didn’t even make time for a relationship after my divorce… I wanted to spend all of my time with my girls. (totally exhausted raising three alone…)
Now, I feel that all that I did to raise three happy and healthy children…to have one of them betray me and consider me “unfit”… especially my first…it is just shocking.
Its not like we fought very much…or had falling outs…or arguments. She just isolated herself from the family when she got involved with her b/f and then “hated” her family..not only ME ..but her sisters.
I am sorry, but I am not handling this very well…still processing it.
2B;
You see……you are taking it all ‘personally’ as if this child is god and the last word to judge you.
WHY?
She is NOT your friend, she is your daughter.
Why are you placing your value in her hands? Why are you giving her or anyone this much power over you?
Do you live with guilt of some sort? Ask yourself the hard questions.
Go with what you KNOW.
Dig deep inside you and take this as a lesson, like everything else in life……maybe there are things you could have done better….maybe there are things you could do to make yourself a better person, a better mother, a better anything. We all have room for improvement. Take this opportunity to self reflect…..NOT SELF DESTROY!
Never ever ever place your self worth in others hands…….when the time is right for them, they will destroy you with their words. And at this point, you are allowing her to do just that.
It’s about TOUGH LOVE……it’s TOUGH ON YOU!
I ‘get’ that you aren’t handeling this well…….but we can’t take the reigns for you……you must do that. Pick a direction and stick with it.
If you want your daughters to take you seriously, you must be the parent. Being the parent is difficult…..and now is the time.
You seem to be ‘living’ with your breath held, waiting for her to call to ‘come home’…….
Let me ask you this……THEN WHAT?
You answer her calls expecting to be needed as her parent. You are wrong, blindsided and get pushed off the cliff.
STEP AWAY FROM THE CLIFF and you won’t go over.
If you have no expectations you can’t be disappointed…..right.
Don’t set out to piss her off, anger her or upset her……just set out to set boundaries and be her parent. WITH YOU SETTING THE RULES.
As long as you know your aproach is pure and not out of spite or ill will……you can lay your head down in peace.
Your wishy washy…..and giving away your control.
As far as finding a therapist…..2B……it’s NOT that hard! If you really want one, you’d of had one by now. You live in a large ‘city’….if I’m not mistaken……You don’t need a DV counselor, you need a general therapist…….there are parenting classes that can aid you to the next step…….I think being on a ‘waiting list is a cop out’.
Only YOU can choose to not be a victim.
If you like being a victim and giving up power over yourself……stick with it and see where it get’s ya. You’ve walked a similar path before. STOP IT!
Whomever told you life is fair……they lied.
Whomever told you that your kids are your friends……mislead you.
If for no other reason…..you need to figure this out…..because, you are teaching your two youngest the peramiters that they have to get away with shiat….and just how far they can all push you. And trust me…….your going to be repeating this sooner than you think with d’s #2 and 3 if your not careful.
Get a grip…….and be the parent from there.
You CAN do this….but only if YOU CHOOSE.
XXOO
EB
Tobehappy,
Of course it is sad…It is heartbreaking.
Nothing wrong with venting. Of course you need support.
But occasionally there are times when we are so INVOLVED personally in a situation that we are “stuck”.
JUST PLAIN OLD STUCK. We can’t hear the support. We can’t see what is right in front of us. (the forest for the trees)
Being overwhelmed (daily) and on an emotional rollercoaster (daily) are two ingredients that can lead to the recipe for disaster.
You CAN see the DRAMA that your daughter brings into your life.
But I don’t believe that you can see the drama that your post are full of that you are bringing into this situation with your daughter as the parent.
Lets break it down…
Tobe said:
“Every single time I have contact with her, she stabs me in the back again! When I said NO to turn on her phone on my account”she lashed out at me that I am spiteful”etc.”
What you describe as “stabbing you in the back”…..This is really a VERY SPOILED child acting like a VERY SPOILED child.
And you can’t magically wave a wand and turn her into an un-spoiled child. All you can do is step up to the plate and deal with it. You can do this….You really can.
Tobe said: “I cannot be nice to her. I tried. And she just spit on me more.”
NO ONE is telling you to give into her. That is EXACTLY what you can NOT do. But as much as her words might hurt you…. You have got to grow a “thick parent skin”.
When she pushes your buttons (manipulation) This is NOT a tit-for-tat situation…. You are the parent and you ALWAYS have to be the parent. You don’t wait for her “cue” or signals…
Tobe said: “The worst part is that she is living right behind me”and with a woman who she KNOWS I do not care for. And, I didn’t realize it until recently, how close she was with her”via texting”for the last few years.”
You got to TRY to let this resentment of this woman go. Focus on D’s problems. Not on this woman. D has led you to resent this woman by saying she is blah, blah, blah (skinny, younger yadda yadda)… Recognise this as manipulation on D’s part. (she doesn’t want you to like the neighbor)
Let it GO. One less thing to take up important space in your head.
Skylar is right. On both counts.
You are the parent so you can’t feel like you are entitled because of your sacrifices. Sacrifice goes hand in hand with parenting.
You wanted her to have everything and now it has backfired. She is spoiled. Instead of loving you for it (as you expected her to) she is disrepecting you for “taking it away”. Spoiled teenagers generally will act like spoiled teenagers. This really shouldn’t suprise you.
Spoiling usually will bite you in the butt. You didn’t know this when you did it but now you know. You learned a lesson for the next two. Take it for what it is worth. A GOOD lesson.
Skylar is also right on this account….YOUR window of opportunity is SO SMALL…..
The most important thing you have to remember here is that D has her OWN perspective. Her persective is (right now) that of a small child….I “want” what I “want”.
Your perspective always has to be from a perents perspective that is NOT “running on emotion”. But looking at the BIG PICTURE. What is important for D in the big picture?
Counseling will help you with that. In the meantime maybe go to the library and find some books that are about out of control teenagers or entitled teenagers and how to parent them. Some of the parenting self help books have things that you can learn to impliment in your situation.
Oxy, Skylar, Erin, Milo….
Thanks so much …HUGS
You guys are great support.
I will respond tomorrow.
HUGS
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2B, witsend is speaking a whole lot of sense to you, in very clear language.
I will add only that I agree it is very, very tough to make the shift from the hurt feelings you are experiencing right now, to be able to see it differently and be a parent. But you need to do it.
it is also very difficult to hear these types of things. The people saying them to you are not trying to add insult to injury. But witsend (and others) said it so very well: yes, your daughter is manipulating you, but not all manipulative teens are spaths. With the short window you have left, the very best thing you can do right now is step up to the plate and grab the reins of parenthood. This does indeed mean growing that very thick skin. she calls you old and fat? you say, “yep — that’s me. It’s in our genes. ;)” She says you owe her stuff? You say, “I know how much you want it. Unfortunately, I am not able to provide it. That’s going to be tough for you. I do want what is best for you, and I do want you to have what you need.”
Think it through ahead of time and try to “channel” some archetypal strong mother you’ve seen somewhere… that trick helps me. 🙂
But for you: the counseling will help support you. I hope you get a counselor who does not beat you up for “bad parenting.” Try to speed up the process if you can because of the short window and your other two children. Think of it partly as needing support, and partly needing practical advice so you can develop some better skills in dealing with difficult teens. Know that you are not alone in facing stuff like this.
Falling into a trap of spoiling children when you are a single parent is very easy to do. There is a difference between taking “blame” and taking “responsibility.” I want you to take “responsibility.” That means recognizing what is going on now is the result partly of how you have parented (and also partly your daughter’s responsibility — it is not ALL your responsibility). And you have the power to change how you parent. If you change, she is likely to change. (learning to “act” instead of “react” is one of the things which will help tremendously)
You have the ability to learn — if something you do with the best of intentions brings poor results, then you can change what you are doing, from the same basis of good intentions. Not just “stay the course” and then blame your daughter for how she turns out.
Again: focus on responsibility, stepping up to the plate, and being as tough as you can to get through the remaining years with your kids. Respect yourself. Do not wallow in blame or guilt for this. Be kind to yourself.
It sounds like you need support and also to start seeing yourself as a strong parent who is able to say “no” with a loving smile, to lay down those boundaries. It is clear that you love your children. It is also clear that you sacrificed for them. So this is just a different sort of loving sacrifice. Sacrifice your hurt feelings right now… DO NOT TAKE YOUR DAUGHTER’S TREATMENT OF YOU PERSONALLY. she is doing a very predictable “script” which witsend clearly recognized. This is the same play, different actors — it really is about your daughter and how she is feeling right now. It is not productive to label her at this time. It is certainly not too late, and it would be too soon to write her off, IMO.
My heart goes out to you. I say all of these things because I have been through some of them myself and had to learn to grow that thick skin and step up to the parenting plate — very, very hard to do as a single mom. But you have to. Good luck.
2b’s mother was selfish. 2b has a need to prove and receive confirmation that she(2b) is the kind of mum(good) that her own mum(bad) wasn’t. So, 2b made sacrifices and tried her best to be a better mum to her children; the kind of mum she(2b) needed but never had. D is spoiled and has that sense of entitlement. When 2b used her parental power and decided of necessity, to rent D’s room, this was processed mentally by D as an attack on her(D’s)entitlement and self(power) So the logical response from D is to attack where it hurts most; the weakest spot. i.e. 2b’s identity as a good mum. 2b needs to talk to a councellor about her own “hurt child” issues where she(2b) has this need for confirmation and approval of her parental worth.
My conditioning (hurt child)leaves me with inadequacy issues.
2b
YOUR mum failed YOU. YOU over-compensated with your D and unwittingly gave her the power. She senses YOUR insecurity about your parental worth and uses this as a very effective weapon against you when YOU “fail” to meet her selfish needs(WANTS). Do you see the connection?
YOU need to be STRONGER not “better.” It IS hard to process when you are traumatised…………..oxo
If I remember the story correctly, it began with the part about the boyfriend 2b. He was in and out. You were posting about him not being a spath (again) last year.
I can’t believe that your daughter has not observed this closely too.
It sounds to me like there is a lot to the story and its complex enough you need to tell all of it to someone who can trace the history.
Yes, I remember what you said about your mother and your sister too.
The issue at hand is about your daughter.
Yes, its hard to be a single parent.
And teens are tougher still.
But this problem won’t go away if you just step on yet another self improvement program which has been your response over and over. As if you are making a promise that if you make yourself more attractive then everything will be ok.
That has nothing to do with making things ok here. There is more work to do. And you must. For the sake of your children.
You won’t be more happy by making yourself more beautiful or competing with other women for that in a mirror mirror on the wall scenario.
You will be more happy if you get grounded by facing the real issues whatever they are and dealing with them in a mentally healthy and mature way.
Its not about you no matter how much you want it to be about you getting your needs met. Sounds like your needs are so huge there is no way your children can meet them because they have to make you feel perfect.
That’s a lot to ask your kids for.
EB is right, if you want help, you can find it. And you need it. Right NOW.
Your needs and your parenting situation far exceeds what amateurs and friends can advise.