The following story was sent by the Lovefraud reader who comments under the name “LovingAnnie.” This woman—we’ll call her Annie—spent four years waiting for a relationship to materialize with a policeman who tantalized her with flattery and promises. Here’s what Annie wrote:
Annie and the cop
I called 9-1-1 for the first time in my life (a neighbor problem), and when I answered the door, my first thought on seeing him was, “wow—he is sooo cute.”
We ended up talking for almost an hour and exchanging phone numbers.
He told me he’d been a cop for almost 20 years, was divorced with two kids. That a few years after the divorce was final, he had a girlfriend who was also a police officer, but they had recently broken up because they saw life differently, and she drank too much.
I’d see him every week or so when he was driving by, and he’d stop and chat for a while. He seemed such a perfect fit for me, and that we had so much in common. He was close to my age, so clean cut in lifestyle and appearance, liked to cook, liked to read, liked to exercise, had a great dry sense of humor, was politically incorrect and religiously indifferent, and we were physically attracted to each other as well.
He called, but he wasn’t asking me out. I tried to play it cool, let things unfold slowly, with no pressure, but something just felt wrong. He’d ask me what I was wearing, talk about how he wanted to kiss my neck ”¦ He seemed so connected to me when we talked, and I loved talking to him about anything and everything, it was just comfortable and easy. But he didn’t try to see me off of work; there were no dates. It was frustrating but I didn’t want to be aggressive.
This went on for months. He’d call, tell me I was beautiful, sensuous, intelligent, loving, warm, giving, beguiling—and that he was sexually and emotionally scared of me. That he knew I wouldn’t hurt him, but he’d hurt himself. That I was dangerous, that he got flustered around me ”¦
And then he would disappear ”¦ For a month or two, and then come back, always smiling, always sweet. (It turns out he had never broken up with his girlfriend at all, and in fact, they were about to buy a house together.)
But by that time I was hooked. I was so naive and hopeful and trusting, I believed every word he said. He was a cop, a good guy, he seemed so sincere and genuine ”¦
I thought he was really a nice guy and behaving himself, that he was waiting until they were broken up to do anything with me, being honorable. He told me he was fiercely loyal.
This went on for 3 years ”¦ I’d only see him occasionally, but he always made it seem like if I’d just be patient, things would work between us. I’d try dating other people to get my mind off of him, and nothing ever worked out, so back to the policeman my thoughts would go ”¦
He’d cuddle me; we’d just sit on the sofa for an hour or two wrapped around each other like 16-year-olds who don’t go past second base ”¦ He’d always be obviously aroused, but didn’t try to have sex with me—again, I thought he was treating me with respect, and that meant I could trust him. He wasn’t cheating on his girlfriend, we were waiting until things were right and we could be together.
He’d talk about how pissed off he would get at his girlfriend for passing out drunk, throwing up blood, going into rehab and then coming home and drinking again immediately, etc.
I thought for sure by comparison I looked like a prize since I rarely drank. I was financially stable, didn’t have any kids of my own, and had no baggage with an ex-husband. I even told him that he could come live with me if he wanted to, and that I adored him. He said I was so open and he was so guarded ”¦
He’d tell me he drove my house three times a shift. (He was lying, he drove by once every three weeks.)
I said, “If you know you aren’t ever going to break up with T, and you know you don’t want me for a girlfriend when you do, blow me off right now.” He didn’t. I said, “well, are you going to blow me off ?” And he said “no.” ”¨”¨He told me he looked for me, that he was so happy when he saw me, that the chemistry was so thick it was tangible, that he couldn’t keep his hands off of me, that he was emotionally, intellectually and physically attracted to me but that he couldn’t act on it—YET.
One of his friends told me that he was watching me when he was on the midnight shift, checking out my windows, (I live up on a hill and it is easy to see in from a street across the way) even spying on me with binoculars a few times to see what kind of life I led.
Even though it would have creeped me out if another guy had done that, I felt like I had nothing to hide and I was flattered; I thought it really meant he wanted me, and when he was available, he’d have gotten his courage and his info. Together enough that we would be solid.
He finally broke up with his girlfriend over her drinking, and then disappeared on me for five months.
The same friend who had told me the other stuff told me that he was so stressed out about the bad real estate market, he was on the verge of foreclosure (even though he was working major overtime), depressed, not eating, and isolating himself. He had told me once he was borderline suicidal, so I got really scared. Behind his back, I paid his overdue property taxes, to try to help him out.
When I finally called him and told him I was lonely and I missed him, he told me to “go work for habitat for humanity and that we hardly knew each other; that he wasn’t ready to date but when he was, there was a probation officer who was interested in him.”
Then when I started to cry in pain, three years of hope now smashed in a minute, he told me I was guilting him and he hated it, and hung up on me.
He found about about me paying the property taxes and came to my house and was furious. I said I could cancel the charge on my credit card, and he said no, he’d pay me back when he got his income tax refund (he never made any attempt to pay me back) and he yelled at me, saying I had no right to control his life, and that he couldn’t trust me, I was acting obsessive.
I was absolutely horrified—I’d really been trying to help, to do something loving and supportive when the chips were down that only a family member would do for someone. I hadn’t meant anything bad at all by it, and yet he took it that way.
He told me I misread everything he’d ever said and done, that he was just being friendly.
Then he stood at my door and told me that he had wanted to make love to me every night, that he had fantasized about me so often, wanting me every way a man can have a woman.
I uncovered about a dozen lies after that ”¦ It seemed like he lied almost every time he talked to me. But I blamed myself. I thought if I hadn’t pushed him, if I’d just let him take the action instead of me, things would have worked out differently.
He came back nine months later (my burglar alarm had gone off by mistake), and basically just totally played head games with me for six weeks, e-mailing instead of calling, telling me how aroused I made him but saying that his little voices were telling him to “run baby run ”¦”
Then he just stopped contacting me at all, although he still read my blog on the web twice a week for the next two months. We finally got in a huge fight one night and he told me that he was never going to ask me out, never have a relationship with me, and never have sex with me.
I keep thinking everything is my fault. That maybe he really is a good solid decent guy and it was just me pushing that turned him off and made him go away.
I don’t understand how he could have played me for three years if he didn’t mean it ”¦
After all, he was originally married for 10 years, and then later on after he was divorced had a girlfriend for six years, so clearly he has long-term relationships.
Why aren’t I lovable? Why didn’t he value me?
I’m still grieving and stuck, and thinking I lost out on Prince Charming, that something is wrong with me that he didn’t want me, didn’t want a relationship with me ”¦ It’s so seldom that I meet a man who seems so right for me, and I’m just devastated. I don’t recover or bounce back easily, and now I’m terrified that there is something really wrong with me not to have known all along he didn’t want me.
This cop likes power
Sociopaths, as Dr. Liane Leedom says, want two things: power and sex. Some sociopaths—like this cop—want power more than sex, and are quite capable of withholding sex in order to assert power. That’s what this guy was doing.
For him, it was all about the game. The cop was getting his jollies from knowing that Annie wanted him, adored him, loved him—and he could mess with her mind and emotions with his push-pull routine. With his little intrigue, he was satisfying his need for entertainment.
That’s all Annie was. Entertainment.
In a previous e-mail that Annie sent me, she wondered if this cop would treat another woman better. I’d say it’s extremely unlikely. Although he might actually go ahead and have sex with someone else, that woman will be used for entertainment and sex. There will be no love.
Waiting too long
At the end of her story, Annie also expressed that she was afraid something wrong with her for not recognizing that the cop didn’t want her. That’s not quite the issue here.
When I was single, I also spent quite a few years pining away for men who never showed up. I kept thinking if I gave them enough time, enough space, eventually they’d come around. It never worked.
So did these guys want me? They seemed to, when they were around. But they did not come around enough for our interaction to advance to the point of being a relationship.
Here is the issue: By waiting for them, I was not believing in myself. Annie did the same thing. She spent four years waiting for this cop. This particular guy was a sociopath, but that is almost beside the point. The point is that any relationship involves two people moving towards each other, step by step. If that is not happening, there is no relationship, and no point waiting around.
Fear and relationships
I am not being critical of Annie. As I said, I did exactly the same thing.
So why did I do it? Why did I hang in for these men who did not show up? Fear. I was afraid that there was nobody else and I would be alone. I could only think in terms of the men that I knew. I could not think in terms of men whom I hadn’t yet met.
Fear also made me vulnerable for the sociopath, James Montgomery. When he rolled into my life with flattery and the promises, I fell for them. I noticed he was moving far too quickly, but it was a welcome relief from the men who didn’t show up at all. His agenda, I later learned, was manipulating me out of my money. He was also playing a game of keeping multiple women on a string at one time.
Finding a real relationship
The key to finding a real relationship, I believe, is overcoming fear and believing in ourselves. This is possible, even after a run-in with a sociopath.
Many Lovefraud readers, having been victimized by a sociopath, have commented that they no longer trust themselves when it comes to relationships. This is fear still speaking. They are afraid they will be fooled and victimized again.
We all know the devastation that comes from the encounter with the sociopath. Here’s what we all need to know and believe: Healing is possible. This seems unlikely while we’re in the midst of the turmoil, but it is true.
Healing does, however, take time. It requires processing the emotional pain, re-establishing connections with the people who truly love and support us, and perhaps dealing with legal and financial consequences. But this can all be done.
The devastation is a phase. An ugly phase, but a phase nonetheless. As we go through it, our goal should be to eliminate the fear and begin believing in ourselves. We now know what a sociopath looks like and how a sociopath behaves. We can come through this experience wiser, more in tune with our intuition, and with an open heart.
Then everything—including a new and real relationship—will fall into place.
If is true that 80% of men ADMIT to looking at port in the past 8 months (probably higher since there would be many scenarios when men wouldn’t admit to using porn – even to themselves) this begs questions:
I know that there are some religious people on this site – but I haven’t noticed any fundamentalists. So lets assume, for conversation, that pretty much all ladies on this site approve of sexuality expressed in some medim.
However, the question of interest is the CONTENT that you personally like, OR the type of “porn” that you would find acceptale for a partner to consume.
Erotica/porn ranes from overtly sexual abstract paintings or sculptures, erotic literature, nude photography… it could be the porn videos produced by women centric companies showing an actual interest in the peasure of the woman and casting women with a bit more range in body-type and age.
OR it could look like the porn that is actually being mass consumed.
After discovering the P, I spent a year researching the current status of porn. Just a couple of my observations from my time sitting in the grimy bottom of the trash can:
Females be at least 18 and look even younger. If you have only two shots, one is always a full frontal highlighting your breasts (usually augmented) and completely waxed bald pubic area. The second shot should show the teen bent over, rear to the camera spread to show both orifices, with her head turned back. Here face does have a bit of variation: she can be overtly trying to look sexy, or she can be grinning ear to ear like an innocent schoolgirl. Sorry to be so grapic. I could write so much more but will spare you all.
My personal opinion has always been: the body, erotica, portrayals of varied sexuality = healthy, beautiful. Fine, fine, no-brainer.
However, I think that mainstream porn objectifies and demeans and degrades women, lowers our society in every way, and the lives of the participating women are most often shredded – women with hx of rape and molestation, drug addicted, sex slavery in 2010. Yeah, there are a few exceptions.
I am wondering, among the women on this site with boys-will-be boys attitutes…. Or those stating a general appreciation of erotica….
What % of the men that are looking at porn do you think are looking at the type of porn you would approve of vs. the actual porn that is being mass-consumed (The mainstram porn machine is a huge by $$$ as the legitimate entertaiment industry.)?
Um, unicorn.
truthteller
ha ha What a conversation stopper!
I decided to look at pornography for a few reasons. I am a recovering Catholic and really wanted to embrace sexuality, learn a few things and just see what all the fuss was about!
Prior to this I was ardent feminist, never felt the need to know about porn, I related to my boyfriend as an equal etc. sex was great even though it was on my terms (no dressing up in silly frilly things) I was anti feminity -Now I really want to re claim being feminine, and that’ what prompted me to observe the porn world to see what delights awaited! allowing myself at last to go into the cake shop and see whats on the shelf…..
At first it seemed fine even exhilirating, but that old feminist side of me was getting disturbed as I watched normal mainstream porn….why? because It left me feeling sad, depressed, sick and I think it’s because of the objectification of female sexuality….there is something cruel going on and I am not talking about healthy vigourous sex, I am talking about a subtle undercurrent of ridicule, mockery, disrespect, force, stuffing, frenzied, gagging (to go into the extreme of it where it is all heading)
Porn offers an escape from intimacy, feelings, affection, love, and goes into objectify, humiliate, anger and what looks like to me hate. I always end up feeling the woman is USED and ABUSED and its a cumulative effect.
I will not watch it anymore unless in a research mode, because I am seriously concerned about the subliminal effect of this so called ‘healthy sexuality’ has on formative children-teenagers-young adults.
At the end of the day for me, sex is about being present to another person, it’s about feeling warm, loved, respected and from there much can happen…but skip over the building of that trust with another human being and you are in trouble.
I wish that intelligent empathetic human beings ran the porn industry but they don’t and psychopathic love will soon be mainstream.
Empathy is lacking in the porn world, yet it’s what sells most???? something is well wrong and I guess we are heading towards a new sexual revolution that will “get it” that to hurt a woman isn’t sexy
My feminist take on it…. is, men are afraid of women and thats why they objectify them….another conversation stopper anyone??? but don’t mind me, I fell in love with a psychopath player robber scam artist!!! who pretended to be the love of my life…
Truthteller, I appreciate your insight into this issue of pornography, 100%! As an artist, nudity and the human anatomy has an impact upon me as subject matter, but I was completely unaware of what “pornography” was until I met th ex spath.
As an adolescent and young adult, I always had a high level of sexual energy – not necessarily perversions, but (perhaps) a misunderstanding that sex=love. When I married the ex spath, I was exposed to things (photos, videos, activities) that I could not even have imagined in my wildest dreams/nightmares. Because of the damage that I associate with it, I revile hard-core pornography.
What I discovered with the ex spath was that the material had to escalate in shock value, as the years went on. The materials became more and more demeaning, humiliating, violent, and objectifying, and I quickly found nausea replacing arousal as he began demanding that I perform whatever he was viewing. “It’s NATURAL! What the hell is wrong with you? Have you gone asexual on me, or have you gone lesbo?” was the vein of his rants. Then, it moved from demands, to rape. “How can a husband rape his own wife? Tell the TRUTH! ALL WOMEN fantasize about being raped!”
I never even could bring myself to tell this to my therapist, after I left him. I couldn’t open that door because of the humiliation, degradation, and objectification that I still felt for many years, afterwards. I can vividly remember a PSTD episode with my husband (new partner) when he said, “If you do _______, I’ll give you a kiss!” I went off my cog and exploded into an absolute rage screaming, “Don’t you EVER try to trade with me!!!!!” and other accusations. He was not intending to objectify me, whatsoever – he was just JOKING, but I went back to that place where the ex spath would force himself upon me and spit in my face in exchange for purchasing groceries, birthday cakes, medical care, or other needs, usually for our sons.
Hard-core pornography feeds a deviant monkey. Porn isn’t about love, healthy sexuality, or respect.
Holy cow, sorry for the rant!
Dear Buttons,
Thanks so much for opening up, it’s absolutedly horrendious what you went through. You are a brave woman who never deserved to be put through that hell. “All women want to be raped”? OMG! Porn escalated the brain rot in your husband spath head. LOSER!
This conversation has helped me with my healing because I see like minded people who are open minded and enjoy sex, intimacy, and are playful, but think main stream porn is demeaning. I do hope our next generation say enough is enough. With teenagers sexting, etc. They are getting the wrong message about healty sexuality.
The porn industry now is huge! The sad thing is, of the men and women who are in the industry, around 90% have a drug or alcohol addiction and most were sexually abused as children. Do you think they have high self-esteem? Patrick Carnes talks about porn addiction in his books, (“Out of the Shadows, Facing the Shadow, and In the Shadow of the Net”), are good books on the subject.
Blessings and hugs! You are so brave.
Truthteller, Buttons, Bulletproof, Hopeforjoy.
Thank you all for the research you have done, and your thoughtfulness and generosity in speaking to the subject of porn as it has related to your lives and your experience of ppaths.
I am again, made strong by the company I keep on lf. The intelligence and creativity of the posters continues to edify me.
It makes me wish we had another forum, where we could discuss an even wider array of topics. But, this conversation shows me that this forum can be used to take the personal to the political and back again in a very intelligent and healing way.
My ppath was not what he said he was. In any way. Was not, in fact, a he. We met on a fetish community website. Of course sexuality was a big part of our friendship and then part of whatever the hell else that was that we were/weren’t/were…you get my drift.
I too have always been a very sexual person, although my sex life has been quite wedded to my love life after I was out of my 20’s, so has been quite unexpressed as I spent 18 years alone. But I joke endlessly and sexuality is part of it. And the not real boy and I joked/ talked endlessly about gender and sexuality. I felt I finally had met someone who was fluid, courageous, deviant and true to themselves ”“ and I admired ALL of this. There is a heap of stuff I am just not comfortable telling here. That we met on a fetish community website I keep to myself mostly, as people tend to sensationalize this aspect and that is reductive and alienating to me, and rather makes anything else in the conversation moot.
I never felt a sense of degradation around sexual practice with the ppath – there was emotional coercion though and it had to do with the expression of the parameters of the relationship. I wasn’t going to say much about this, but what the hell….shortly after we connected, another person came into his life – a boy he had known as a young child. This person became his lover also. In theory, I had no trouble with this – especially given the dynamic of the boy always falling to pieces physically and emotionally – 2 people seemed like a GOOD idea. It’s the tribe thing. My desire for tribe WAS manipulated – this is where the emotional coercion comes in: the fairy story she told me, which reflected my deepest wishes. The other person was not a nice person; became jealous, possessive and belligerent over time, and ultimately this behavior would have driven me away, if both the boy and the other person hadn’t fake died. As you may have guessed the other person was ALSO the spath – one of many sock puppets. She stirred this; she used sexuality to stir jealousy and insecurity in people. In hindsight I see that she did it with others in the community – always trying to provoke fights. I think she gets a BIG rush out of people’s weaknesses and fears being exposed and them hurting one another. It must be a VERY good spathy day when she can get a couple of folks to undermine one another in some way in public. When I read comments others make about her (when they know who and what she really is) there is such wariness and pain in their writing (there is a blog kept by own of her other dupes). It is their writing more than anything that makes me wary and protective about the sort of havoc she can wreak when she is outed.
One of the things that I find continually interesting is why so many of her scams involve her being male. I don’t believe that ppaths have a sexual orientation the way that others do. That she was female doesn’t disturb me; that she was a lying sack of crap does. Her boy character was one who was submissive AND had been abused endlessly in his life – sexually, physically and emotionally – the pity ploy. She once wrote me this long email (as another of the sock puppets, the boyfriend, not the main character) about the boy’s sexuality. I need to go read that. She goes on at length about HIS need for degradation, blah blah blah.
Now, I don’t for a second believe that she personally wants to be degraded or humiliated or contained or whatever the $%&* she babbles about. In part she does this to attract compassionate people who try to talk her characters out of it ”“ and try to coach him to become more ’whole.’ Mind you I should ask another of the dupes about this, see what her experience was. but I think the ppath wants to get others to treat her characters in a certain way so that she has ‘secrets’ about them that she can later use to threaten and blackmail them – as she is want to do. Coercion is a big thing with her. She is trolling around in ’queer’ space often. Queer people, as a group ARE easier to take down ”“ we DO make better prey ”“ we HAVE been at risk of threat often enough in our lives, and we also often keep parts of our lives private/ secret from significant other parts of our lives. And this can easily be used against us.
Oh my, she is such a bag of dirt.
Thankfully, today will be my first day in the REAL dirt this year; going to the garden to turn the soil.
Guys, I enjoyed your various takes on this subject and I think that it is very relevent to our conversations about psychopaths.
Because I think at least for a woman’s perspective of bonding with the person she has sex with (oxytocin hormone release) this is a biological process evolved over eons. Males may not bond as strongly to ONE woman as the women do to the males they have sex with. Of course, culture mainly was focused on the males, and on the offspring being his, so the woman had to be chaste but the man wasn’t expected to be, or could have multiple partners (wives) etc.
Still, prostitution for male sexual release (and subsistence for the woman) and for “religious” purposes was acceptable or expected. Our western culture openly despises prostitution yet, it is still very available because it is still USED. No buyer, nothing to sell=the practice goes away. So it obviously hasn’t.
I think in a way porn is now accessible to the masses where for most of history it hasn’t been. There has been “porn” and erotic art since it was painted on cave walls, but it wasn’t available to everyone, only a few. Prostitutes were available to all but the poorest men.
The objectification of women I think has gone on longer than the idea of “love” though. It still does. While our “ideal” of sex being a “bonding ritual between two people who care about each other” in a one-on-one relationship for life is rather unrealistic given the nature of humans and our society.
With 50-60% of all married males cheating at least once, and 40% or so of married females, with a 50% divorce rate for first marriages and 75% for second marriages….finding and holding on to a “loving partner” I think is difficult at any age.
I’m just no longer willing to accept less than “a caring partner” in a one-to-one relationship. But that is MY decision based on several things from my moral compass to my desire not to acquire something antibiotics won’t cure!
When groups of people are debased and objectified (and I think generally in porno that is women) the person who is objectifying tends to become more and more jaded and require more and more “deviant” porn to excite them. Sort of like drugs, it habituates requiring stronger and stronger doses to reach the same level of “high.”
With nude ART variety and various poses might be nice, but the beauty of one doesn’t make another less beautiful or desirable I don’t think. Kind of like the older “artsy” Playboys before they showed pubic vs Hustler. It is hard to describe but you “know it when you see it.” I think a supreme court judge said that but can’t remember who!
OxD, I agree with your insights. Objectification is the point, here, not arousal or even fetishes. It’s what happens to the psyche that determines whether or not it’s beneficial.
Personally, I like nude and erotic art – but, there’s a difference between erotica and pornography, I think.
This is a good discussion and offers some very important insight.
Yep, I definitely agree! In a painting class I took years ago we painted nudes and I have always appreciated “good” photographs of nudes or semi nudes as “art” but not turning the person (male or female) into an object!
The largest sex organ in the human is the BRAIN!
However, in the psychopath it is a perverted one!
Thank you kind people, for being so honest, it is refreshing and real.
Well…..ya’ll made it easy for me to decide on what to give ya’ll for Christmas this year…….
I made an apt with a brain photographer this week!
🙂