It’s an ambitious project—attempting to explain psychopaths in global leadership positions, a possible cause of what looks like psychopathic behavior, and what to do about it all. This is the documentary film, I am <fishead(, produced and directed by Misha Votruba and Vaclav Dejcmar.
Here’s a clip, featuring Dr. Robert Hare, the guru of psychopathy:
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Fishead is divided into three parts. Part 1 is about psychopaths, specifically corporate psychopaths, who are blamed for the global financial meltdown that began in 2008. This is probably true, although the only individual named is Bernie Madoff.
The authors of Snakes in Suits, Dr. Robert Hare and Dr. Paul Babiak, explain psychopathy, and how psychopaths in business claw and backstab their way to the top of organizations. Hare and Babiak certainly know their stuff, and you’ll recognize their descriptions of psychopathic behavior.
But then Hare and Babiak start talking about the difference between psychopaths and sociopaths. This is a matter of debate and disagreement in the mental health field, so essentially they are expressing their opinions and preferences, not fact. Hare mentions that the film Reservoir Dogs highlights the difference between psychopaths and sociopaths—apparently one kills because he has to and another kills because he likes it. But Hare didn’t specify which was which, and I wasn’t sure. My contention, of course, is that from the point of view of the dead guy, it doesn’t matter.
Antidepressants
Part 2 of Fishead goes off in a different direction. It’s about “happy pills—”antidepressants. As you watch, you may wonder if the filmmakers are claiming that antidepressants cause psychopathy, but they don’t quite go that far. Here’s what they write:
The second part of the film touches on how, for a small number of people, overuse of antidepressants can result in behaviors that appear to mimic some psychopathic features. Although overuse of these medications will not produce psychopathy, they may stifle emotion and decrease the user’s ability to feel empathy.
Actually, I think the real problem with antidepressants may not be that it makes users behave in sociopathic ways, but rather, antidepressants enable victims to tolerate sociopathic behavior in others.
For example, in my upcoming book, Red Flags of Lovefraud, I have a chapter on protecting yourself from predators. In the Internet survey that Lovefraud conducted last year, we asked if people involved in romantic relationships with sociopaths had an intuition or gut feeling early on that something was wrong. A whopping 71 percent of respondents answered yes. And 40 percent ignored their intuition.
Why? One woman explained:
I ignored it because I loved him. After a time he convinced me there was something wrong with ME and convinced me to go on antidepressants. The drugs mellowed me and I lost that feeling.
I’ve heard stories like this one many times—sociopaths are causing distress and to cope with it, the victims go on drugs. This can be the problem with antidepressants. We are upset because something is WRONG! If we no longer feel upset, we don’t try to change what is WRONG!
Change
The third part of the documentary asks the question, “So what do we do about all of this?”
Fishead talks about the work of Dr. Stanley Milgram, who conducted numerous famous experiments showing that most people will administer electric shocks to others, even though they know the person is being hurt, if they are directed to do it by someone in authority. But it points out an interesting experiment that is not as well known. Dr. Milgram also found that if the experiment subjects first saw someone refuse to administer the shocks, they were much more likely to refuse as well.
The point is that when people stand up to authority, or evil, it gives others the courage to stand up as well. In fact, the filmmakers say it only takes 5 percent of the people in a group to behave differently for the entire group to be influenced.
Food for thought
I am <fishead( is a well-made film. Artistically, it has an art-house feel to it, with stark backdrops for the guest expert interviews and clever animation. And, the film is narrated by the actor Peter Coyote.
Although I don’t agree with all the points, the film does a good job of drawing attention to what is probably the biggest hidden problem facing our society: the outsized damage caused by psychopaths (sociopaths). And it challenges us: What are we going to do about it?
For more about the movie, visit the website: Fisheadmovie.com.
You can watch the movie on the Internet—the length is 1 hour, 17 minutes. Just click the “where to see” link, and email the producers to get your free password.
Ox: (((sorry you had a bad day)))
I hope the Angels will bring you a better tomorrow, Dear…
You aren’t alone, like KatyDid says…
Dupey
Dear Katy and Dupey,
Yep, I know I am NOT “alone” and tomorrow will be a better day, it was just sort of a SHOCK to run into the guy. I hadn’t thought of him in a long time. Heck hadn’t seen or talked to him since June of 2005, that’s a long time really. I know he didn’t “mean” to crash the plane, it was sheer incompetence, he FROZE out of fear….but you know, the trying to cheat me out of a few thousand bucks and asking me (when I asked him to pay me) “Well, what do you need it for?” DUH? it was my money, I didn’t have to tell him what I NEEDED IT FOR.
I know I need to get my shiat all in one sock and not let this bring up bad memories and bad feelings on my part, so thanks guys, it is now my responsibility to get my self back in line! (((hugs)) and my thanks. Love Oxy
Ox: one day at a time…….
So sorry but you are right: tomorrow WILL be a better day!
I can imagine what a shock for you and then the rudeness!!!!!!
OMG: I thought “I” was the only person who ran into those kind of people. What an inconsiderate JERKAZOID.
You got it going on and together, Ox, just need to put it all in one sock, like you said…me too! It’s coming fast now. The chapters in the book are whizzing by like the wind is blowing the pages…hard to recall details much anymore…this is good…times scars over the hurts…stops the bleed.
Don’t make me get out the frying pan, Ox…
You have helped me more than you will ever know…
Love ya lots ~ what does hens say? — “Big girl britches..”
hahahaha Yah, I tell myself that all the time now. Makes me laugh every time, too.
Sweetest of dreams, Dear Ox…
Tomorrow is another day…
Good Night.
Dupey
Oxy,
“What do you need it for?”
that’s classic spath. CLASSIC.
years ago, my spath bro (who lives in my parents basement, drinks, watches porn and online gambling and has kicked kittens to death) was looking for a job. He said he found one but would need new shoes in order to get it. I had no money, but I had a credit card, so I offered to pay for his shoes as long as he paid me back.
I drove 80 miles EACH WAY. 160 miles round trip, to pick him up and take him to the shoe store and buy his shoes. We parked far from the store. As we were walking back, a homeless drug addicted woman asked for money. He had $1.25 on him. He began to give it to her…. I freaked out! I tried to stop him. “Rick what the fuck are you doing? I need that money too!” The homeless bitch began to abuse me for attempting to block access to the $1.25. They both pushed me out of the way. He gave her what she wanted. I was flabbergasted. BUT STILL I DIDN’T UNDERSTAND.
Fast forward about a year or two. I asked Rick to repay me for the shoes I bought him. His response? Are you ready? …..
..
…
“Do you have a receipt?” He asked.
WTF?
Luckily, I DID have a receipt.
Any questions as to whether my brother is a spath?
Edit: In case anyone gets the wrong idea about my brother: he has a VERY high IQ, was near the top of his class and a spelling bee champion. Spaths keep you confused because nothing they do makes sense – until you understand what an emotional vampire is.
yah…emotional vampire…
Hi Donna,
I saw this and felt very critical of it. I emailed one of the contact to express my thoughts. Here is part of what I said:
I am very familiar with exploitive personality disorders. I learned the hard way about 7 years ago when I became romantically involved with one of these characters. This experience definately changed my life and the way I see the world. In the aftermath, I spent all my free time, for a couple of years, reading about the topic. And eventually, I decided to enroll in Grad School because of it. I also work in Mental Health already.
I have read the Robert Hare books and I am familier with several of the other books mentioned. Currently, I am reading for a class. In class, we have discussed the ramifications of these kinds of drugs on inividuals and society. But still, somehow, you lost me when the movie started talking about Prozac. Are you saying we will all turn into Psychopaths because of Prozac? Or are you saying we will all get taken advantage of by Psychopaths because too many people take Prozac?
At the beginning of the movie, I was happy to see an attempt to illustrate and explain a sociopath and a psychopath. As your clips show from street side interviews, the average person does not know. But, as you were trying to explain that Sociopaths and Psychopaths are not all murders and killers, you had the red and black cartoon icons showing over and over symbolic violent attacks (like blowing the head off). I felt this was a confusing message.
After that, I felt like the movie went all over the place and for me, it did not bring home a clear message and it was unclear what you (whomever you are) really cared about most.
So, if we all stop taking Prozac and be kind to our neighbor, what? There will be no psychopaths to hurt people? Psychopaths will not be able to hurt people? People can band together and stop psychopaths?
This just went all over the place for me.
I took the time to comment on this movie because I think that educating people about damaging exploitive people is very important and it something I feel very passionate about. This movie started out explaining a problem but then it lost track and went all over the place. I still thought there were some good parts too it but it definately did not go in the direction I was expecting.
I know a sociopath or psychopath (or narcissist or borderline) when I interact with one. Just like Dr. Hare, maybe not right away, but I do know the behaviors and in time, I can tell when something isn’t right. However, I don’t know if this movie will help the average person very much to understand the problem. Perhaps that was not your intent. I guess that is what I was hoping for.
Thanks for sharing your movie. I will still recommend that people watch it but I was disappointed and confused by the intent of the movie.
I am just curious what others thought of this movie and if anyone understands what I am saying about it? Or is it just me?
I think this movie was good, but it could have been better. I wanted there to be more info about sociopaths. It seemed a bit thin, and then the end of the movie sort of muddled the message, I thought. But any movie that spreads any awareness at all is a positive thing, IMHO.
I take Prozac. I haven’t seen the movie, but I’m concerned that I am not well enough or far enough along in my recovery from a psychopath to NOT be influenced against taking antidepressants. In my case, as I believe is true in every case since we are all different, I needed to be on antidepressants because I am DEPRESSED. Not because I wanted to turn into a robot and not feel any emotion. I didn’t get on them to escape memories, regret and guilt, or growth and learning.
I was depressed before ever meeting “IT” (ex psychopath). Perhaps it is in some people depression without treatment that ALLOWS them to become victims of psychopaths.
A year ago I had heart surgery, my heart had to be shocked on two
different occasions before that and it was due IMHO to stress caused by
the psychopath, even though IT had been out of my life for a couple of years. I was not healing from that massive nightmare properly and I
truly believe my heart couldn’t take the heavy burden anymore. After myCoupons surgery I was put on 20mg Prozac and have been doing a little better. I had it increased to 40mg in Nov 2011 because I felt I needed to find the right dose for me and this has proven to be it. That was one month before “discovering” by the grace of God that the reason IT was that way was because IT was a psychopath. Since then I have dove head first into every but of information I can read on the subject. I have even tried to stay off the blog comments so I can concentrate more on reading all the wonderfully informative articles, thanks to Oxy’s suggestion. But this is a subject I feel strongly about and must comment.
I know I should watch the movie first before finding any fault with it and I would LOVE to watch a documentary film on psychopathy instead of the usual Hollywood film that depicts psychopaths as one of the main characters, however, I don’t want to be dissuaded from taking Prozac. I believe in my case, it has helped me much more than hindered me. I took a different type of antidepressant before and it was awful. This one worked for my chemical make up and my mother has been on it a lot longer than me (my doctor said Prozac works on me because it works on my mother). Without it I’m not sure I would have had a clear enough mind to research so much and absorb the info I have on psychopaths.
Anyway, I would suggest deciding for yourself if something works for you before letting anybody else influence you. It might be more damaging to
get off antidepressants in the long run. I have not noticed at all, any lack of empathy, none whatsoever. Nor has my judgment seem clouded. But
what I have noticed is that I don’t get worked up on a scary out of control rollercoaster of anxiety, anger, and hopelessness. On Prozac my negative emotions are more like a kiddie ride.
I’d love to take my own advice about deciding for myself that my
medication works for me and doesn’t turn me into a psychopath or a victim of one again. Prozac has been one of many tools I’ve had to use in my healing process. I just don’t think I’m far enough along to be able to handle being told that what I have done so far to help me recover is bad for me or will inevitably make me do the wrong thing, much less turn all of society into psychopaths. I think I will stay on track and read what I can and skip over the stuff the I don’t believe is necessarily healthy for me personally. We are all different, yes, and we have to recover in healthy ways. If antidepressants made me behave, think, or feel in any way more negative than I started out feeling before taking them I would have stopped months ago.
Ugh, sorry to get in my soapbox and go on for so ling. But just like I was embarrassed and ashamed to admit I was duped by a psychopath, I was also embarrassed and ashamed to admit to anyone I was taking Prozac. Enough of that, I am not going to hide anymore. That’s what psychopaths do.
Woundlicker and AlohaTraveler
I thought the part of the movie discussing antidepressants was about the ABUSE of antidepressants. The movie made a very good point with their example of the person passing out valium so that people would mellow out and not feel sad AT A FUNERAL.
Like many who end up here on LF, the trauma from my years with my X! husband caused severe stress and years of insomnia, like the fright in me was switched on and I could not switch it off. I was prescribed an antianxiety med. Your prescription and mine were appropriate. Taking an anti in order to chill is NOT.
I will say my X! MIL was a prozac B*. If her personality was the chilled version, God help us for what she was like without it. BUT… I had a problem with her use of Prozac. She had not seen a doctor in the last FIVE years. That’s a bigtime drug and that means she was not being monitored at all. She may have needed it in the beginning, but it wasn’t working for her in all the years I knew her and I was amazed she continued to receive refills year after year. Her drug use was another example of inappropriate ABUSE of Prozac.
Woundlicker,
Yes the movie takes to task the ABUSE of drugs, but does not say NO ONE should take them. I am sure you are able to discern the difference. Please don’t let this one segment put you off.
I took the msg of the movie to be that evil is running rampant and we as solo people feel helpless to stop it. But we aren’t solo, we’re silent. And that it only takes 5% to shift society from complacency to accountability. It’s up to us to decide if we want to be one of the 5% and stop the madness…. or will we decide to think things “aren’t that bad” after all?
Who better to stand up and be one of the 5% than those of us who KNOW the NIGHTMARE?