What can we say about the games sociopaths play in psychotherapy? We might start with: Sociopaths don’t seek counseling, ever, from a genuine motive to make personal growth.
This isn’t to say sociopaths don’t end up in therapists’ offices. They do, either because they’ve been mandated to attend therapy, or because they view counseling, somehow, as enabling their ulterior, manipulative agenda.
But never does the sociopath, on his own, awaken one day and say to himself, “I’ve got some personal issues I need to examine seriously, for which pursuing psychotherapy is probably imperative—otherwise my life and relationships are going down the drain.”
I repeat, sociopaths will never, ever, seek counseling for purposes of genuinely confronting their damaged, and damaging, personalities. This is so reliable a principle that its converse equally applies—however antisocial his history may be or seem, the client who seeks counseling with a genuine motive to deal with a issue(s) disqualifies himself, perforce, as a sociopath.
And yet we know that sociopaths (some, not all) will play therapy games. But what therapy games?
I’ve alluded already to the court-mandated therapy game, which prescribes the sociopath’s manipulative cooperation toward meeting the court’s mandate that he participate in some sort of counseling—whether anger management, group therapy around domestic violence issues, or counseling for sexual offenders.
This isn’t to suggest that all, or even most, court-mandated clients are sociopaths, far from it; even those who are court-mandated, the great majority of whom will be going through the motions psychotherapeutically, aren’t sociopaths. However, one can be quite certain that the court-mandated sociopath will most definitely regard the therapy process with absolute disdain; and, in my experience, unlike the unsociopathic client, the sociopathic client will be more likely to posture his sincere participation and recognition of his need for help. That’s to say, his tendency will be to “play” the system, more than even merely cooperate with it.
Then we have the sociopath who’s been read the riot act by, say, a seriously exhausted partner, and who agrees to participate in counseling. We might call this the appease his partner therapy game. In this case, the sociopath has reasons for wanting to preserve the relationship (or otherwise delay its dissolution)—reasons principally related to the conveniences the relationship offers or, just as influentially, to the inconveniences that a split or divorce would pose.
In these, and other, therapy games, the sociopath’s range of cooperative participation in therapy is rather wide—on one hand, he may present as compliant and receptive, effectively concealing his underlying insincerity and deception. Alternatively, because after all it’s incredibly inconvenient that he should have to take time out of his life to appease his exploited partner, he may make no disguise of how put-out he feels, and may visibly brandish his indignation, agitation and resentment.
The latter attitude, especially in cases of couples therapy, makes for a dangerous dynamic, wherein the risk of abuse, post-therapy sessions, rises. One hopes the therapist recognizes this risk and terminates the couples sessions, which are contraindicated where abuse is present and flagrant, whether overtly or covertly.
Of course it should only be so easy for any us to smoke out the well-disguised sociopath, who may just be a fantastic, convincing actor, and seem to seriously want to examine and own his misbehavior.
He may seem utterly sincere, for instance, in the therapist’s office, specifically in his contrition and his motivation to establish, or reestablish, himself as trustworthy. His agenda, even to the most astute clinician, may seem pure when it’s impure and merely effectively camaflaged.
Other therapy games sociopaths play include the I’m seeking therapy voluntarily charade, which can throw partners and therapists off, since we’ve established that clients who unmanipulatively, and voluntarily, engage in therapy, virtually by definition rule themselves out as sociopaths. This leaves us the tricky business of ascertaining the sociopath’s true motives for seeking therapy.
In other words, it’s not enough that he presents himself voluntarily for services, because his presentation, if he’s sociopathic, will necessarily be deceptive. And in any case, his status may be less voluntary than he purports; he may deny, persuasively, the court’s involvement when, alas, the courts (or probation) may be involved.
But even in cases where the court isn’t involved, although technically he may have sought services voluntarily, in reality (as we’ve noted) the sociopath may be complying with a different sort of mandate—the mandate, for instance, of a furious partner, or an exasperated employer, whom he’s willing to mollify purely from selfish motives.
And so, once again, we have the illusion of a client who appears motivated to seek help and make a kind of sincere reckoning, but who, instead, uses therapy to manipulate his way out of the doghouse and restore the old leverage with which he’ll continue, sooner or later, to exploit in his customary style.
Finally, for now, we have sociopaths who play the dedication to their spiritual development game. These are typically well-educated sociopaths with a polished psychological rap, who posture as committed spiritual seekers. Some of these sociopaths may go so far as to make a sort of cult—a seeming life mission—of their alleged spiritual development, raising irony and farce to new levels.
This category of sociopaths validates another principle that applies to sociopaths in general: While they are absolutely incapable of genuinely pursuing their personal and spiritual growth, yet smoother, more glib sociopaths can be highly capable of ungenuinely, insincerely, manipulatively pursuing their so-called personal growth.
Think of the predatory trollers (and rollers) at AA and NA meetings, and all other sociopaths, who posture one way or another as honest, open books seeking to confront their trauma responsibly and seriously.
Summoning guises like Mr. Sensitive, Mr. Wounded, Mr. Relationship Builder, Mr. I’m In Touch With Vulnerability, Mr. I’m In Recovery From Co-Dependence, and countless other pseudo-evolved raps, these sociopaths can be magnets—and they know it—for genuinely vulnerable women seeking sensitive, emotionally available, vulnerable men with whom to partner in their own recovery.
I’ve outlined briefly, here, several of the more common therapy games that sociopaths play. They are by no means an exhaustive account. In concluding, I realize there are several points and issues that scream (at least to me) for elaboration. I intend to address them in more depth in upcoming Lovefraud columns.
(This article is copyrighted © 2010 by Steve Becker, LCSW. My use of the male gender was for convenience’s sake, not to suggest that females aren’t capable of the behaviors and attitudes discussed.)
My narcissistic s’path had to go to counseling in order for his pathetic wife to take him back yet again-despite the constant cheating. That’s why he called me 5 months after discarding me and turning my life upside down. He said we both needed closure. He said-“I’m going to therapy now and you have to understand that the reason I did this to you was because I had the most horrible childhood.” I told him he was full of shit. Then he admitted that all the horrible things that he said ABOUT me to others, to ruin MY rep, were said because he had to do anything he could to get her to come back home. He said that he would tell whatever lie he had to. He admitted also that everything he said about me was NOT TRUE. He just had to LIE to protect his IMAGE and SOCIAL STATUS. He fooled everyone. Even people who used to despise him, stand up with him against me.
I know for a fact that he FOOLED THAT THERAPIST in a major way. He probably cried at all the right times and whatever else he could do to get her to think that there was nothing wrong with him. He will lie and fool because he doesn’t want to spend any more time in therapy than absolutely necessary. He doesn’t think there is anything wrong with him-he just thinks I’m the crazy one.
As soon as his wife lets her guard down again, he will find his next naive, people pleasing, low self esteem woman who is 15-20 years younger than him to prey on. After all-he is an EMOTIONAL PREDATOR-the worst kind of dangerous man!!!
Hi everyone, and thanks for your great feedback. I’ve been away since Th, for a very long weekend, and have had next to no opp’t to respond to the questions raised. But I appreciate the insightful responses you’ve made to each other. As has been very aptly noted, sometimes just giving a glib b’shtter enough run (and room) to hang him/herself can be an effective, relatively labor-unintensive way to discover expose him or her.
If for the moment I can make a more general response: the ultimate litmus test for how sincerely anyone is pursuing therapy is what they do with the therapy outside the sessions. (I’m assuming, for the moment, that in the sessions themselves the individual is putting up a great disguise, although there are plenty of indicators even within sessions that he may be much less productively engaged than he postures. I intend to elaborate on these signals in the near future).
But the really ultimate indicator is what occurs post-and-between sessions. And so, if you are involved with someone who has betrayed you, let’s say, in a very blatant, damaging way–through abuse, wanton deception, wanton infidelity, you name it–and if this individual, during the course of any therapy, individual or couples, in any way, shape or form, continues to minimize (or resume) the damaging behaviors he’s inflicted, or is devaluing the therapy and the therapist, this alone is a terribly ominous sign. It is especially ominous of the narcissist’s/sociopath’s untreatable levels of contempt.
This doesn’t mean that the particular therapist or therapy is necessarily the right fit–rather, it’s the conveying of contempt, through dismissive, devaluing expressions, that tells you, BEWARE, nothing’s changed, and nothing is going to change.
And so there is no special set of criteria applied to the assessment of how seriously suspected sociopaths are taking therapy. That is, the criteria are universal to everyone: Are there sustained efforts being made to apply what’s allegedly being addressed in therapy–for instance, around owning abusive and destructive behaviors, around increasing one’s accountability, and building trust and safety between himself and his partner (and family)?
And so the client who is playing games in the therapy office will not be demonstating meaningful efforts in any of these areas, esp in a sustained fashion, outside the therapist’s office. He will be more like the kid who serves detention with manipulative compliance (not wanting to be there and believing it’s even unfair that he should have to be there); then, upon his release, he’ll be ready, shortly, to resume his customary shenanigans.
So, for instance, upon leaving the therapist’s office after a couples session, the client who’s serious about changing, instead of resuming his contemptuous accusatory and devaluing attitudes, will want to process the session, or echo post-session the same regrets and apologies he conveyed in the session–that is, he will maintain his sense of humbleness and visible efforts to achieve higher and voluntarily embraced levels of responsibility, accountability and transparency.
Regarding transparency, he will (and should be willing) to make his therapy process very transparent. The more sincere client (who isn’t playing games) will invite you in to meet his individual therapist (if he’s in individual therapy) to increase your confidence that what he’s telling you is occurring in his individual therapy sessions is, in fact, occurring!
He will want you to see how serious he is, and so by inviting, versus obstructing, your interest and involvement he will be signaling more sincerity than not.
On your end, you should expect, if not demand, this transparency, because it’s imperative that you have a basis to know whether he’s actually even attending therapy sessions, let alone addressing what he claims to be addressing (although one hopes, as I’ve suggested, that his behavior is reflecting well on his stated intentions.)
I have much more to say about all of this, but I hope this offers something.
Well…his life will be what it is…he will remain a disordered screwed up person. They don’t change and his wife is a desparate fool too. They will continue the “dance of the wounded souls” and deep down, will never have inner peace…something Erin, that YOU will have.
He won’t change but YOU will. And, you will never be the same old week person again. You are stronger now than you ever were ….and more knowledable and skillful and you won’t ever let anyone on this earth deceive you again. Isn’t that empowering?
He was a gift. I wish that when I met my xhusb, at age 33, I knew what I know now about disordered people. I knew that I had issues of low self esteem, but I never had a professional help me to understand and fix that. So, I settled for a “confusing” and deceptive relationship and even had 3 kids with him! So…count your blessings Erin. With all of your effort and the armor you now have to protect yourself, you will be happier in your life.
The PAST is gone. Nothing we can do to change it. Everyone gets fooled by Satan at one time or another. I know people who were conned out of money by contracters, stock brokers…and business deals. I know people who got involved with the wrong person and got sucked into marriages and money deals that put them in ruins.
So, everyone encounters a Satan at one time or another. They are put here to teach us. And, we will repeat the mistake until we LEARN and grow from it.
So, you learned young Erin. And, now you are moving on with your life..and just because there is one person(Satan) out there that was deceiving you….doesn’t mean that you aren’t worthwhile. We ALL made mistakes..but they were really lessons to learn.
In the Course of Miracles…it says that there are no mistakes. There are only two things…Lessons and Love. If it isn’t Love or Good…its a lesson that teaches us something. We learn and move on. Bury the dead and move on.
You are doing great, working on your goals and keep looking forward. Any entanglement with him is over and you came out a better and wiser person for it.
Whenever I start to “think” of how I allowed him to fool me…I realize that it was what it was at the time…and then the TRUTH was revealed and I wisened up and move on.
Nothing I can do about it now. It served its intended purpose in my life. It happenned so that I could look into myself and learn something. Now…all good is coming. I am open for only GOOD. I have my armor on now and only good things are allowed into my life. And, guess what? Since Satan left…miracles are happenning.
Have faith. Do NOT lose faith. Do NOT fear. Fear is the opposite of faith. I just KNOW that I have nothing to fear now.
I am operating from LOVE…listening to my inner guidance…and for the rest of time on this planet…only good can come. BELIEVE it and it will happen.
I always remember a quote..
“If God is for me…who can be against me?”
Stay strong and appreciate all you have and you will see miracles happen everyday.
Steve,
Your clarity rings like a bell. Thank you for what you shared here.
I wish I’d been here 20 years ago. I wish the professionals from whom I sought help in the past in the early stages of the disaster that my marriage evolved into had talked about these things and used the vocabulary I could have researched further.
But, delving into it means reviewing all human communications and issues around professional liability.
I guess I am not clever enough to have understood the messages.
I understand that caught up in this stuff how we look and see that somebody “doesn’t want to hear it” and yet I don’t see or hear a woman here who would have traded a lot to have been free of the experiences that brought them here.
How does this information get clearly from the profession to the young women who need to know before it happens to them? How do people looking for the help in thereapy get the education to understand what you describe. How do we find a translator for the subtle hints?
Well, here’s being grateful that the world is a better place for being here and for people like the authors at the LF blog who give their time and atention to the very problem.
Hats off again to you and thanks to Donna for the whole thing.
Dear Silvermoon,
I was warned about some of the psychopaths—“you can’t trust them”—sure no one said “they are a psychopath” because they didn’t know that word themselves, but from experience with these people they kknew the people were not trustworthy.
I DID NOT LISTEN. I was being “love bombed” (positive attention) by these people who were trying to get me into a business arrangement with them, and this rosy picture was being painted and shown to me….BAMM!!!! Once I was hooked! The Mr/Ms Nice Guy Gloves come OFF. I should have listened but I CHOSE not to. Cost me money, cost me trouble, as there is always a price of some kind to pay in any encounter with a psychopath that lasts more than 1 second.
Hiind sight is always 20:20, and after I chose not to listen I did see red flags and I had to BLIND myself voluntarily or I would have jumped out of the business relationship a lot sooner than I did.
Take home lesson:
IF SOMEONE IS DISHONEST WITH ONE PERSON, they will be DISHONEST WITH ALL PEOPLE EVENTUALLY. (that includes ME) So do not do business with these people. Do not trust them.
Morning, Oxy,Silver and all.
Beautiful Spring day here, and I am determined to get out and walk a bit.
I took a Psych 101 course when I was 18, and we talked about psychopaths, but I didn’t see it in the men I married or became involved with. Not in the beginning. Only after being thouroughly snared, did I see there true colors. But then I went out and got snared again.
It’s funny how recovery works. You start feeling a little better, think you’ve gotten through a stage, and all of a sudden, something triggers you, and you’re back IN IT.
I find I am dealing with things I thought I’d long-ago resolved, lately. Like my first marriage, at 17. I never think about my first husband…until now.
And my second husband….Oh what a painful mess that marriage was. This is his Birthday and will be seeing him on Easter. We have ‘resolved’ our issues and can function as members of the same family, but I am still affected by that relationship and easily triggered.
I don’t think he’s a P, but I do think he has a whole lot of N in him.
So anyway, it’s difficult to look back and see so much unhappiness, so much wasted time, so much dissillusionment.
It truly is like an onion…there’s always another layer.
And all those layers relate to each-other, builds on the one before it. So many mistakes.
But, as I said the weather is georgous, trees bursting forth in blossems, azaleas blooming.
I’m going for a long walk, going to breathe deeply, and appreciate just being alive.
What a beautiful day in NOLA-getting ready to eat some crawfish(Good Friday) food. Going to go wash my truck and clean the house. Still waiting for my new books-hopefully they’ll come today. Praying that the beeper doesn’t go off. The docs were instructed to not call us in unless it’s a real emergency!!!!!
Dear Kim,
You are so right, as we get better, we realize that there are more dysfunctional things that we didn’t see before so we have to take those into account too, so it is sort of a layer’ed process, but as each one comes up and you compartmentalize it so yoiu can work on ONE thing, then another, then go back later to the first thing, then the third problem, and so on, it does eventually get BETTER and you get in a BETTER PLACE and the healing starts to get faster.
I think when we start off we are under such a load of crap we can barely crawl muchless walk toward healing, but as we dispose of each heavy layer, we are lighter and can move faster, each deeper layer is smaller and so on until we can get to the core of it all. And, we don’t have to process EVERY time someone said or did something nastyj to us or we said or did something nasty back, some of this stuff I think we can just file it away in a file cabinet under “things I wish I’d never done or said” and not pick it back up again, just lock the cabinet and let it stay there. (Dr. Joe carver suggests that) and I think it is a good idea that we don’t keep BOINKING ourselves over those things in the past, put them where they belong in the “paid for” file, so we are no longer in DEBT to these things any more. Don’t have to feel guilty over them any more.
If for some reason we MUST think about these things then we can do it without the attached emotion that goes with it that would make it “make” us feel badly.
Be good to yourself Kim eVERYDAY, but set a daily goal of doing something that moves you toward financial independence—-and if not DIRECTLY toward financial independence do some VOLUNTEER work that will help others move toward financial and emotional independence, like maybe volunteer work at a homeless shelter or something along that line, sometimes these volunteer positionos will let you network and find through them or the people in them, paid work because they SEE WHAT A GOOD WORKER YOU ARE and well above the flipping burger level. SO GET OUT THERE!!!! ((((Hugs)))))
KimFrederick says:
“So anyway, it’s difficult to look back and see so much unhappiness, so much wasted time, so much disillusionment.”
I feel the same way at times.
But, we did the best we could with what we knew at the time…under the circumstances, right?
That’s all any of us can do.
Even though there are some things I would like to go back and do differently, I really don’t have any regrets.
I made my choices, and I take responsibility for my choices.
So, I will leave the past where it is and move forward knowing better, and hopefully doing better.
Happy Easter everybody.
[Kim – your day sounds wonderful enjoy it:) Although I find it difficult to take my own medicine – try not to beat yourself up about making ‘mistakes’ by getting involved with disordered people… they really are pieces of work (at any age):(]
I had a visit today, from the new landlords of my Niece. She came to me having been ‘thrown out’ by her ‘irrational’ father to ‘stay for a weekend’, stayed 6 months.
In my opinion she displays a huge amount of sociopathic behaviours, which dont become apparent until you are already up to your neck in it (even when you think you know!).
It was a huge stress and a struggle to have her here and to get her to leave.
The new landlords are having a nightmare and apologized for coming round out of the blue then went on to describe what had been going on… jaw dropping BS and lies.
They even apologized profusely after asking me if there was something wrong with her straight away as they didnt want to offend me but I think they have her number, but dont know what to call it. Its weird meeting complete strangers who seem to be ‘getting it…the conversations you have with people who dont seem paranoid…but when two people get together for whom the penny has or is dropping…)
She left here and gave me no forwarding address. Has not contacted me since, even though (now I am getting demands for non payment of this and that!) I have texted and e-mailed requesting a forwarding address. Nope. Nothing.
Her new landlords are a mother and father who have a very lovely daughter of 20 (she came too, i think she may be Autistic?), they’ve bought her a house so that she could be more ‘independent’ and wanted to find someone to share with her. here’s the cliff’s notes of what they told me:
*They had stipulated in the original advert that there were to be absolutely no male visitors and as she said she had no BF and would not bring men home they were happy to go ahead with the tenancy.
*They also stipulated NO PETS.
* As she was so young and ‘like'(???!!) their daughter, they decided not to ask for a deposit, to ‘help’ her out. She had said she didnt have much money.
* On the day of her move in, there was an altercation with the removal men (who were moving her stuff from storage) about them trying to rip her off. When questioned why she had used them she told the landlady that her Aunty (me) had recommended them as I had used them before( I have never met/heard/had anything to do with them!).
*The very next day, the landlady found she had had a bloke over to stay the night.When questioned she became angry, as it was non of their business(!!??). Since then she has had multiple men over including one man who comes regularly and who is Married and she knows through work (more potential victims in the pipeline…sigh.).
* They told me that on four occasions she had had long phone conversations with ‘me’ in front of them (I have not heard from her!) the last of which was so upsetting for her that she was down for days because I had said I didnt want to see her!!!(LIE!) The landlady said that she clocked the last one and KNEW she wasnt talking to ANYONE, but didnt know what to make of it.
*She told them that she had to leave my house because I was having a nervous break down.
*She told them that she cant speak to her father as he is in a persistent vegetative state after a breakdown.(BS)
*She refuses to do house work of ANY kind.Is always ‘too busy’. Gets aggressive when pulled up on this.
* She brought over her Hamster (remember NO PETS?)and walks the poop out of her room (how does it get out of the cage?) and all over the house. gets aggressive when pulled up on it.
*She has not been ‘able’ to pay the full rent since she’s been there as she only works in a pub part – time… I thought this would be a good time to open her mail and all have a look at it with them… her pay check from her main job at a POWER COMPANY says she earns £21,000 pa…taking home around £1,200pcm + she has the pub job!. (Her rent is £300pcm …including bills!)
*they have noticed that when they pull her up on things, strange things happen around the house… e.g the t.v stops working (after their son tried to find out what the problem was they discovered the batteries in the remote were put in wrong – a mistake? benefit of the doubt?…No it keeps happening!). She puts the tumble dryer on empty after her housemate has gone to bed and leaves it on all night…(remember she does not pay the electricity!) dangerous.
*Recently, on St.Patricks day (the landlords are Irish) the Landlady received a number of text messages from my niece asking if she’d ‘had a drink’. The woman has not had a drink for 16 years. the father doesnt drink and neither does the daughter. She isnt very good with texting so she asked what she was going on about once, got another couple of texts asking if she was drunk…didnt know what to make of it and ignored it. a couple of days later, the Landlady met with Niece and one of her BF’s and he asked how was St.Patricks day. the landlady laughed and joked that it would be better if she could have had a drink but as she didnt, and hasnt for 16 years she felt a little left out. The BF’s jaw dropped and he immediately looked at my neice. The landlady clocked this she said. And that was when (in her words) she realised she was being used for something.
*The land lady said that she felt my Niece was trying to make her feel like she was losing the plot.
* They have told her its not working, and My Niece is now threatening THEM with LEGAL ACTION as her contract runs to July, and the agreements of no men or pets was verbal!
and on and on…..
What a f***kin pice of work!
I felt so bad for them. Because I know they are going to have a rough ride ahead. Because I KNEW what she is and did not warn them…I was just grateful to have her out of my house:(
They asked me if I thought there was something wrong with her again. I said yes. I said I think she is a Sociopath, but I’m not a Doctor. I told them everything that she did here (and they did not look at me like I ha three heads… refreshing … in a weird and unhappy way) I said I think they should change the locks (EB advice I shoulda taken long before time). I gave them my number. They gave me theirs.
They said that they did not want her to know that they had been round as they felt she would escalate things if she knew (oh yes they get it!!! even if they dont KNOW what IT is!)
I have felt.. after they left, that I need to WARN people again!
…her place of work…these men… so much frustration at it being so futile. to imagine that anyone would listen.that she hasnt already set me up as ‘the loon’ (like she was setting up her landlady as the drunkard…)
As Oxy says above…a simple easy to digest ‘this person is NOT to be trusted’ doesnt even work.