by AlohaTraveler
Today, July 3, is a significant day for me. On this day, three years ago, I left the Bad Man. Let’s take stock of that moment in time:
- Total cash = $700
- Debt = at least $16,000
- Job = None
- Place to live, bed to sleep in, a clue = No
- Plan = None
- Me = A total wreck.
Between May of 2005, when I moved in with the Bad Man, and May of 2007, I have moved 10 times. This includes one move back to the islands in September 2005 and then back to California again on November 29, 2005. My car has 7,200 nautical miles on it and it shows. It looks like it’s eating itself. Cars aren’t meant to go to sea and mine crossed the ocean three times between July 3, 2005 and November 29, 2005.
Below is the Reader’s Digest version of my trials and tribulations.
Movin’ movin’ movin’
- Moved in with the Bad Man for one last hurrah after having been apart for 4.5 months. What was I thinking?!
- The great escape: Moved out from Bad Man while he was at work.
- Moved from one friend to another.
- Moved back the the islands.
- Moved out of the hotel and into a condo.
- Moved back to California again.
- Moved in with my employer as a live-in nanny.
- Moved in with friends who took care of me for four months because I was a WRECK.
- Moved in with another friend after four months of rest, armed with a new plan. Finally.
- Moved in with my dear friends, Eric and Jen. This is where I live now and have been living for over a year.
Jobs, jobs, jobs
Between July 3, 2005 and May 2007, I landed and lost six jobs all for various reasons.
- North Shore Resort: Resigned and left Hawaii for a second time. Finally, a good choice.
- Internet start up: Business went under
- “Wellness” company: Fired by a narcissist
(Noticed right away that the boss reminded me of the Bad Man. Shortly before she gave me the ax, I was told that it was suspect that she had narcissistic personality disorder. Upon hearing this, I had a massive anxiety attack.) - Internet company: Not the right fit
- Live-in nanny: Not the right fit again
- County job: Contract ran out.
Where I am today
I have a place to call home and have been there for over a year now. Shortly after I moved in, my friends gave me an old dresser. It’s big and heavy and feels like an anchor, a welcome anchor. I unpacked my suitcases for the first time in nearly two years. That night, as I lay in bed, I stared at my “new” dresser and I cried. Since I have been here, life has finally started to stabilize for me.
My symptoms of PTSD have subsided. Occasionally, I have a strange choking, coughing sensation in my throat when I have a distressing thoughts but I don’t have anxiety attacks like I did before. I smile more. I laugh more. I sleep better. I don’t think about the Bad Man and worry if he really was the one and if it really was me that messed it all up. I fully embrace and accept that he is a pathological, not fixable, person and it has absolutely nothing to do with me.
I have two jobs now. I have been at the first one since November of last year. I have been at the second one since March of this year. They are both in the area of social services and are an extension of the county contract I did last year. I have applied for grad school for an MSW and I am waiting to hear if I have been accepted.
I have paid off over $11,000 of that original Maui debt. Keep in mind that since I have been home, I have been unemployed off and on for at least 10 months and have worked for long periods of time for just $10 an hour.
I have started to date. At times, it feels like stepping out on thin ice, but I am doing it. I have started to rejoin the activities I loved in the past, such as sailing and baking and LAUGHING!
The road leads to you
I believe we will recover at the rate equivalent to the degree that we are committed to telling ourselves the truth. Now that you are here at Lovefraud, the truth is available to you and right under your nose. Will you accept it? It’s up to you.
Whatever it is you have lost, you will eventually get one thing back if you keep trying. Life might not ever look like it did before you crossed paths with a pathological partner but if you are open, it can look better. And at the end of the road, you will find YOU, and… another road… and maybe an old dresser.
Sitting in my “Big Girl Panties” today
- Debts = under control.
- Jobs = more than one
- A safe place to live, warm bed, and a plan for my life = check!
- Me = a whole lot wiser and not a juicy pick anymore for a Bad Man.
Dear Free:
Read my theory of lies versus God’s word that I wrote to James. If you have another theory. Write it down so we all can work these theories through. Step by step, breaking down their lies to that we can get at the truth. The truth is what will free us from our pain. Not staying in the lies they told us.
Peace to your sweet heart and soul.
You guys are the best. Thank you all so much for your support and your validation.
If there is one thing that always reassures me that this is indeed a pathology that is sick and twisted, it is how much we all have suffered in the same ways.
It is like our abusers are all following the same script. It cements this for me. There is a real danger here, a real danger.
I hope that as I post some of my experiences, somehow I can speed this process ahead for someone. I wasted so much time and so much heart-effort to learn what I needed to know. It was such a hard journey, and I am still on it.
Even with knowing all I know, feeling all I have felt, the horror of believing the world is better off with me dead, I still ache sometimes for him.
Like he is the only one who can make me feel better – I know better. But my heart isn’t there yet.
I know I feel like he is the only one who can make me feel better PRECISELY because he is the one who made me feel this bad.
Knowing there are explanations for the way I feel, these conflicted thoughts, is what I use to stay strong. I am simply suffering from what you said Free, ambient, covert abuse.
The flashbacks I suffer enrage me when I think of how deathly oppressive he was. He isolated me from the rest of the world – and began to work on breaking me from my son.
He’d complain that he wanted a ‘date’ and he was sick of hearing about my son. He was sick of me wanting him to actually spend time with us together.
That is where I drew the line, but it would have been SO easy to turn on my son as the person standing in the way of my relationship with this creep.
I had two senior citizen cats, who I raised from orphaned kittens, bottle fed them, the works. They were both 19 years old. I loved them. I had them for 19 years.
The creep told me he couldn’t stand them, and I am so ashamed to say it, but I took them to the vet and had them put down. My pets. I loved them.
But I stupidly thought that if the cats weren’t around, he would be able to stop this abuse of me, and be kind to me. I thought he was angry at me because he couldn’t stand my cats.
He knew what he was doing.
He was forcing me to turn on anything or anyone who was important to me, my pets, my hobbies, my friends, my work. EVERYTHING.
But he did it in a way that convinced me it was my choice, or my failure, or my cruelty.
That I was hurting everyone I know just by being me. That I was hurting my son and a chance at having a father in his life because I loved my cats. That I was preventing my son from having a family because I cared too much about my two cats.
I was selfish. I was irrational. I was hurting my son by loving my pets. What was wrong with me? He made me feel like all my judgements were wrong, all my feelings, my decisions, my likes, dislikes, loves and hates. Everything was wrong.
The way I was – WAS WRONG.
When I think of it, I can’t believe I got through it. I can’t believe someone would do that to me in the name of love. I just can’t process it. Sometimes I can’t breathe when I think of some things he did to my mind.
But I guess I don’t have to understand why he did it to me, I just have to know that he did it to me. That he almost killed me and would have gotten away with it.
Not only that, I would be dead and people would actually hug him and say, ‘Yea, you were right about her. She WAS crazy and irrational, she killed herself.’
He would drive me to levels of frustration that no one could endure, and do it all quietly, so that when I finally couldn’t take it anymore, I would loose it and people around me would just shake their heads at how crazy I was.
He would sit back and say see? See what I mean about her?
Then they would support him and tell him what a good guy he was by sticking with me despite my insanity. He would reap soothing support for abusing me.
Everyone around us did that. His family. Our friends. Even MY friends eventually took his side.
So now he is with dozens of people who call and invite him places. He is receiving their support and understanding of why he is not with me, and I am here alone with my son, trying to pick up whatever pieces of my life are left and have a nice day.
My son is only 8. He has seen what I have been through, and we talk about it often. I am not keeping it a secret from him, he needs to know that people will do this to each other. There are predators in the world, who say they love you and then hurt you.
I am hoping that he never, ever goes through this, that what I have gone through shows him how to trust his gut and not believe the lies.
This experience will strengthen me too. I know it. I can’t wait to breathe again. I can’t wait to live again.
I remember calling him after he ruined my birthday (a usual occurence) late on a Friday night, when I honestly thought I was going to kill myself, and pleading with him to tell me he cared about me, that I was important to him, that I wasn’t a disgusting piece of shit.
He told me that I was selfish because I was ruining his good time. I could tell by the background noise he was in a bar.
How did I ever get through that? How did I survive this? How could I miss this person? How could I have loved this person?
How does he live with himself? I need a break. I am going to hug my son. My little boy is the anti-creep – he is the goodness in the world that keeps me from giving up when I feel this way.
Right now he is in his bedroom playing with some Wall-E toys and I hear him making rocket ship noises. God has sent me a little angel, right from heaven.
I am enraged when I think that this creep was working to turn me against this little angel. But as good as he was at twisting my brain, he couldn’t reach that goal.
I am proud of myself for that, and forever grateful to my little boy for saving my life with his love, his goodness and that little hand that still curls around my finger when he is sleeping.
Dear Lilygirl:
Don’t worry. Pain is God’s way of thumping us in our heads trying to tell us something is wrong. You’ll get through the pain to brighter thoughts and God’s TRUTH and the freedom that it brings. For now, smile and laugh. It will do your heart good. It will take steps. Step by step to get your back to the best that God wants you to be. I promise. We all promise.
Peace.
Dear Lilygirl,
The “crazymaking” that they do to us can be horrific, and it sounds like your P was an expert at it.
Lily, I would also strongly suggest that you get some professional counseling for both you and your son. I am a retired medical and psychological professional myself, and without professional counseling I don’t think I could have come through my own scrapes with the Ps with anything resembling sanity! It was TOUGH for me to be on the “wrong side of the clipboard” and to GET counseling when I used to be the one GIVING the counseling. But without some dispassionate and professional help I am not sure I could have made it at all.
I emerged from the other side of the counseling a stronger person. I have also used the support and advice and help from this blog, but the one-on-one of a counselor was very important as well. My story was so bizare that he asked me to bring in PROOF that I wasnt a paranoid delusional “nut case” (my words not his LOL) I wasn’t offended though that he wanted proof because my story sounded like a “paranoid deluisonal nut case!” LOL Finding the RIGHT therapist that does “get it” and knows about psychopaths is very important as well.
They WARP reality for us, and we give them the power to do so because we try so hard to please them. It sounds to me like you might actually have some Stockholm Syndrome symptoms or PTSD as well, so it might be a good idea to get it checked out by a professional. I sure did and it is so much improved now with therapy that in many ways I’m not the “same person” I was before—I’m the “new and improved ME!” I have a better and stronger relationship with myself, with those I love, and with my faith. I’m learning to set boundaries and doing the things that take care of ME.
(((BIG HUGS))))) and prayers for your recovery from this nightmare! Oxy
oxyD –
I’ve been there, done that and to be honest, I cannot trust professionals anymore. I just can’t. I think in all I’ve seen seven counselors plus have attended support groups at my local women’s shelter.
No one – NO ONE – got it.
Their ignorance played into this for me. All they wanted to talk about was what I was doing to allow it. I will not EVER EVER sit and look at what I did again.
That is EXACTLY what he wanted, for me to keep questioning myself.
I know now that I was a victim of a crime. Period. There are things now I must do to protect myself so this doesn’t happen again, but in reality, this could happen to any of us again.
I must now deal with what has become of my life, and decide what to do now. It makes me sick to have to rebuild my life again because someone decided to prey on me, but that is what it is.
I either give up or I rebuild. There is no choice.
I think you are a particularly educated ‘retired’ professional, because you have endured this. But I am finished with ‘professionals.’ DONE.
I know I am in trouble here, but I finally have the knowledge and tools that I need to deal with this. It is NOT easy and I have been lucky because he is leaving me alone for the past four months.
But my fear is that the minute I laugh, the minute I breathe, the minute I take a baby step forward, my phone will ring.
I know it will ring. I know he will show up here. I know he will try to get to me any way he can. It is not a matter of if – it is a matter of when.
I need to go through this process and remember these things in a healthier, stronger state of mind and see the reality of what he did.
Then I will be strong enough to resist him. I feel like I am preparing for the battle of my life.
Only by doing this, talking with people who understand and keep the blame where it belongs – ON HIM – will I be able to overcome what has been done to me.
I am as strong as they get. I am also not the first woman he has done this to, and I will not be the last. People have let me know that he has done this in the past, I don’t have the details, but I know enough.
That is the deepest comfort in this – that even though the dozens of people are holding his hand today, sooner or later he will do this again to someone, and then those people will see the truth.
Someday some of them might come to me and tell me they are sorry they abandoned me for him. I might get the good ones back in my life.
My only regret is that for this to all play out, another woman will suffer this, or another child, or he may end up with a child of his own to abuse.
He might be successful at killing someone next time.
I escaped with my life, that is how I feel. I escaped. Right now that is where I am.
These holidays are toughest on me. They are the times when people are either really happy or really sad. Holidays always gave him an extra reason to slam me to the ground, he knew they were tough on me.
Any holiday would be the time he would always abandon me and tell me I didn’t deserve to go to the beach or skiing in Vail for Christmas or over to his parents’ for a barbeque.
And he would make sure I knew he was going.
I would be left at the last minute alone. So I sink very low when the holidays come around. But at least I am alone today because it is my choice. Not his.
Dear Lilygirl,
I suggest that you keep reading and learning from this blog. There are so many good essays on this site with so much insight into how WE (in particular) individually became enmeshed in the relationship with the Psychopath. What about US in particular made us vulnerable to their criminal behavior.
Just as a lion can pick out the one wildebeeste in a large herd of thousands that is vulnerable in some even small way, the psychopaths pick us because there is something in us that makes us a bit more vulnerable than another person to their ploy.
I don’t “blame” myself for this, but I recognize that my desires to help others, and my lack of boundary setting with people I was close to made me the “easy mark” for the psychopaths. I’m closing up those loop holes in my programming so that I will NOT ever again be a victim. I will not allow it! I will protect myself. I can depend on myself to be strong, to keep my own power to use it to protect me.
I don’t need someone else to validate my truth that the psychopaths are evil. I can validate myself. I had so many cricises in such a short time, from the death of my husband, the death and illness of my step father, etc. that my strength was weakened, and my old ways of allowing myself to be victimized in the past and not fighting back, not using my own power to protect myself, surfaced and I was a very injured victim to start with for the X-BF-P and my DIL and the Trojan Horse P and my P-son. I was at my weakest and they took advantage of that. In the future, I will keep my defenses strong, and prepare for “battle” if another one attempts to invade my life and my heart. I will never again brush off the waving of a BIG RED FLAG and ignore its warning that there is a PREDATOR in the area. I will never ever again believe that I am not a worthy person, or that someone else is more worthy than I, or that it is okay for someone to treat me with disrespect. No matter how much I love someone, I won’t allow it.
That is what we must all strive for, to find our own strengths. Good luck and God bless you in your journey.
Lilygirl,
Your post reminds me so much of how I felt with the Bad Man. I think we had the same kind of Bad Man. He did all those mind twisting tricks.
I have a rule of thumb now. I am very careful who I let speak into my life about me and who I am. I listened to the Bad Man because he was a former Minister but it didn’t take long before I noticed his behavior was off. He was beating me up emotionally. I was so unsure of myself but there was still that little voice inside that said it wasn’t right. But his voice was louder than mine. So, I listened.
This experience forced me to strengthen and fortify that inner sense of self. I wasn’t sure of who I was and so I let him tell me. He told me, “You can’t see how you are.” I had had revelations in the past where I realized things about myself, things I hadn’t “seen” before and so, when he said this to me, I was open to it. But even so, I should have know better… a person that is trying to help you isn’t going to call you a scumbag. Come on now!
It did not take long for his critiques of me to veer far from reasonable… and I knew it. But, like you said,
“I feel like he is the only one who can make me feel better PRECISELY because he is the one who made me feel this bad.”
I kept wanting to walk away but with spirit and my self worth in tact. I wanted him to admitt I was not all the bad things he said. I tried every angle to get away. I tried saying, “Hey, maybe we just aren’t a match.” but he would not let me leave in one whole piece.
I did have to settle for limping home.
I learned so much from this. I can’t say that I have a lot of faith in men these days. Bad Man was the first man in years to pay so much attention to me that that alone made it difficult to walk away from. I think a BM knows this instintively.
I know that I deserve more and I deserve better but I don’t know that there is man out there that will do this.
I guess the lesson is I must treat MYSELF to more and treat MYSELF better. I do that now by saying “No” to men that are offering little but want to take my best from me.
To Free,
I didn’t imagine that my dresser could make anyone but me cry.
I hope your tears mean that you can celebrate some of your own progress.
On July 4th, I was chatting with someone that lost their home in one of the fires in CA. He seemed so okay with it. I felt a kinship with him and I also thought… Wow… with my plastic containers in the closet and my hand me down dresser, I own more than he does right now.
Losing my heart (once to the Good Man and then to the Bad Man), and my jobs and my things… it has given me a richer perspective on life.
I feel my wisdom teeth coming in.
Thanks guys, you are getting me through this holiday weekend – it has been a long one.
Aloha, it is a comfort to know that there is a light at the end of the tunnel, and a pretty nice dresser too.
I think when I post and when I talk to friends I tend to emphasize the horrible things he did without talking about how he soothed the damage he did. That was the important aspect to keeping me hooked.
How he knocked me down, picked me up, kissed my wounds and then knocked me down again.
He became my rescuer from the pain that he gave me. That is how he twisted me into depending on him more and more. He controlled EVERYTHING.
That is what they do. The times they are kind and generous and loving are as good as the times they are cruel and controlling and abusive are bad.
When they are good they are very very good and when they are bad they are horrid.
That is the cycle. That is the cycle of abuse. He builds and builds until he blows and destroys me and then he soothes the pain he inflicted on me.
Sometimes I could see it coming. I knew he was working up to deliver a ‘punishment.’
But all the while, he appears human. He appears to be struggling with it. I always told him he is the man who beats the crap out of his wife and then brings her flowers in the hospital and cries at her bedside.
He would cry and speak the language of a fresh start. He would plead with me not to give up on him. He would use my goodness to hold me with him, that I was reluctant to walk away from someone who needed me.
I can’t seem to get people to understand that this was not obvious, it was not like he came up and called me a worthless piece of crap.
He did it not as a man who came up and beat me up, he did it out of ‘love’ out of trying to improve me, out of trying to get me to be a better person…HA.
It is like you said Aloha:
“He told me, “You can’t see how you are.” I had had revelations in the past where I realized things about myself, things I hadn’t “seen” before and so, when he said this to me, I was open to it.”
So true.
I WAS open to it. Maybe there were things about me that caused people pain and he was the first person to have the ‘courage’ to tell me about. it??? My husband of 10 years had just left me for another woman when my son was 3 months old – so maybe I DID drive him away with the “way” I am.
I was open to hearing criticism, and like any human being, was open to looking at myself and making changes.
That – if you ask me – is not a weakness. It is a strength. The ONLY human beings not open to looking inward, evaluating themselves and making appropriate changes ARE PSYCHOPATHS.
That is the quality he saw in me that he robbed. That he manipulated.
But I am not going to change ME. He tried. My goodness, my openness to looking at myself and my behavior ARE ME. He used those good qualities to abuse me, control me and hurt me.
Because I am that way, I did not welcome, entice or open myself up to be abused. I honestly was just plain naive. I thought I could tell a bad person by their looks.
Someone who could break my ribs wore a dirty white tank top T-shirt. Someone who would twist my mind danced around a basement with wild eyes and stretch pants on.
I didn’t think an abuser would come from one of the most wealthy and respected families around. I didn’t think abusers knew art, and music and social graces.
I didn’t think an abuser could brush the hair from my eyes and pick my son up and hug him. I didn’t think he could be good at times, and that we would have passion that I never knew existed.
I didn’t think he would take me to dinner at the country club.
I thought if he was abusive we would go out on a date and he would get mad and hit me.
This guy didn’t. I would have rathered he beat me every day of my life. It would have been obvious then. Those wounds would heal easier.
It isn’t as simple as everyone wants it to be. It isn’t as simple as I want it to be. I thought bad guys wore black.
They don’t. They wear Diesel jeans and Patagonia shirts. They are runners and golfers and hoteliers. They drive nice cars, they ski like a champion. They have lots of friends who send them invitations to parties.
They light fires on cold winter nights, cuddle and drink wine.
One night I was on my knees in tears, begging him to tell me the truth about why he was doing this to me, why he was being so cruel.
He reached up for a wine glass. Poured himself a drink. Swirled. Sniffed. Held it up to the light.
While I was on the floor, sobbing.
Holding the glass in the air, he toasted himself.
“To me,” he said. “I am really a great guy.”
That was the last time we were together.
I know you guys think I need to change, but I am telling you – I am not giving up one speck of WHO I AM because he decided to rape my mind.
That is like telling the victim of a random shooting at a convenience store that they should have seen the gun and gotten away.
It is never that simple, easy or controlled.
He didn’t pick me because I was weak. He didn’t see me as a weak member of the herd. He picked me because of my goodness.
Anyone who knows one of these creeps knows they are forever looking for a ‘dream girl.’
One who will look beautiful on his arm, never complain, never have a need. In short, a stepford wife.
In the beginning, I was the answer to the problems in his life – why? Because the problems in the relationships before me were never his fault – ONLY THE FAULT OF THE WOMAN HE WAS WITH. She never turned out to be perfect.
But when he first met me, in his mind, I would be that perfect girl.
That’s how his thinking went.
So here I come along. Beautiful, happy, full of life, love and trust and loyalty. PERFECT.
“See mom? This is the girl who is going to do it for me. This is the girl who I can marry. See mom? I can do it! This is the girl I have been waiting for my whole life. See mom?”
The trouble is, I can’t stay a stepford wife, or Barbie. I am human, I will have needs, I do have needs, I do cry. I do have bad hair days. I can’t always admire him when he is breaking my ribs….
All of a sudden, because I don’t live up to his expectations, he turns on me. He can’t say, ‘Mom, I did it again. I screwed up another relationship.’
So he has to turn ME into the psychopath. Into the nutcase. Into the jealous bitch, into the one who is crazy. It’s a compulsive cycle that he cannot break.
He feels entitled to abuse me, but I am not allowed to stand up for myself. If I do, I am crazy. I am not then perfect.
He is impulsive, can’t think anything through. One day he tells everyone he loves me. The next I am a crazy bitch. The next I am the best thing that ever happened to him. The next he breaks my jaw.
The times when he begs me back – I think one thing happens. Sam Vaknin – the self-proclaimed Narcissist – got this right I think –
When he sees how much I sacrificed, how hard I worked, how much abuse I took just to stay with him in this relationship – but eventually even I left him, then who will be able to stay with him?
If I couldn’t do it, who can then? What woman will work this hard to stay with him?
All of a sudden – PANIC hits him. He fears he is destined to be alone.
So he begs me back.
UNLESS – he meets a girl in the meantime and he can start all over. Sometimes he meets her and still begs me back. Two strings in the water then.
It is difficult for him though, to go through that honeymoon stage with the new girl – where he is the caring, all giving, loving wonderful dream come true. It is a tough act for him, so he’d rather not do it.
He’d rather call me and use the mind control crap he has already worked to implant into my brain. Way easier than acting like a loving human being.
I remember once in the very beginning weeks of our relationship he said that “one woman would call me controlling.”
I said ‘Controlling? You are the LEAST controlling person I have ever met. What was wrong with that woman? She must be crazy.’
At that moment, I was his dream girl. Somewhere out there today, a girl is saying that about me. That is the only reason he isn’t calling me now.
But sooner or later she will turn out to be imperfect. He will remember how I loved him and sacrificed and tried. I will again be perfect and she will be dirt.
Whoever he is with is then dirt. Whoever leaves him is perfect.
Just like he felt when he was a baby whenever his mom would ignore him.
He ‘knows’ deep down that he is unlovable, after all, his mother didn’t. If she didn’t love him, well no one will.
He is sure no woman will love him so he drives them away, because he knows they will leave him anyway. But this way he controls everything about how, why and when it happens.
This had nothing to do with ME. I am just the woman he happened to stumble on. I just happened to be a really GOOD woman.
Almost perfect in fact.
Dear Lilygirl,
If you think that any of us think you should stop being YOU, then you are totally wrong there. Quite frankly, that is what we all have to do–BE OURSELVES and LOVE OURSELVES. Sure, I have made some changes for the better–but I am STILL ME, in fact, MORE ME THAN I HAVE EVER BEEN. I no longer let anyone disrespect me and not take action. I no longer let people use and abuse me and continue to trust them.
If someone makes a comment about something I have done, I try to very logically and rationally see if what they say is true or not–but I no longer accept their word blindly like I did.
I feel good about setting boundaries, and am gaining confidence that that boundary setting is protective of ME.
No my dear Lilygirl, I would never want you to “change” from being you. Your caring and goodness is YOU, and that is part of you that is what makes you YOU and SPECIAL. The psychopath picked you as a victim because you DO CARE for others. YOu do have a conscience.
I am still a caring person, but I have taken back my POWER FOR OTHERS TO HURT ME by learning to set boundaries for people in my life. So I can be caring and not make myself vulnerable to those who would abuse that caring and goodness within me. ((hugs))))