By Ox Drover
Dr. Sherry L. Meinberg, an educator holds the “world’s record” with the FBI for being seriously stalked for the longest time—forty years!—by a combination of her first and second husbands, who brutally beat her and almost killed her. Even after 17 years in a mental institution for the dangerously insane, her first husband, who had written her letters every day of his incarceration, came after her again, and found her.
Dr. Meinberg’s book promotion says:
Research now tells us that one in twelve women in the USA, and a growing number of men, will be stalked at some time in their lives. Over one and a half million adults are stalked annually, with the vast majority of victims being the average, normal, everyday citizen. Could one of your family members or friends become a victim? Could you? Find out what to expect, and how to protect yourself and loved ones.
When Dr. Meinberg was first being stalked, there was no such thing as a “stalking law” and police considered a man beating his wife a “domestic affair” that they should not interfere with. It was only in 1990 that the first stalking laws were passed. At this time there are federal anti-stalking laws as well as state anti-stalking laws.
Fortunately, Dr. Meinberg survived these devastating attempts to take her life and shared the things she learned about being safe from stalkers in two books. The Bogeyman, Stalking and Its Aftermath is the actual story of her life on the run and how she coped with these terrifying experiences. Her second book concerning stalkers is Toxic Attention—Keeping Safe from Stalkers, Abusers and Intruders.
The first order of business in a campaign of showing that you are serious about protecting yourself is a TRO or Temporary Restraining Order. Although this is just a “piece of paper,” it puts the police on notice that the person should be kept away from you and that they can instantly arrest him.
However, Gavin DeBecker, in his book, the Gift of Fear, states that at times he advises his clients, who come to him for help with their safety, not to get a TRO, as sometimes as the order infuriates the stalker and makes the stalker only more intent to harm the victim. So the advice to “get a TRO” is not universal, and depends on the individual stalker. Research mentioned by both Dr. Meinberg and Mr. DeBecker shows that about 75 percent of ER visits for DV victims, or DV murders, are after the initial separation from the abuser by the victim, and the great majority of those killed were stalked before the murder.
Though she does not use the terms psychopath/sociopath, Dr. Meinberg does describe in Chapter 6 of her book the traits of the “warning signs for potential danger,” which include all the descriptions of a psychopath.
In addition to Dr. Meinberg’s book, Diane Glass, a nationally syndicated columnist for the Universal Press Syndicate, who has first-hand experience with being stalked by her ex-boyfriend for years, published a thin volume, Stalking the Stalker—Fighting Back with High-tech Gadgets and Low-tech Know-how. I found this little volume somewhat helpful as well. It is filled with excellent advice on various high-tech gadgets and ways to use them, as well as just common sense applications of lower —tech things to help you.
A man named “J. J. Luna” is the author of How to be Invisible. This man gives practical advice on how to live in such a way (legally) that you are not traceable by a paper trail to where you actually reside. Though I am not sure why Mr. Luna, who is not apparently being stalked, wants to live in such a way that there is no paper trail to find him, nonetheless he gives some interesting information on how to keep your property out of your name, but still in your control. I found the book very interesting if a bit sinister, but since the things it advises are not illegal, and are quite easily and cheaply accomplished and are also some of the things the private investigator advised me to do, I think this book might also be helpful to others who are being stalked or worry they might be.
Those who deal with psychopaths who are likely to stalk us (not all are likely to stalk) need, I think, to at least be prepared for how to defend ourselves both physically and legally from stalking. None of us, I think, should totally discount the potential for violence that some psychopaths do have. Once you have seen this violence in a psychopath, do not calm yourself by discounting what you have seen; it might be a fatal mistake.
I have chosen to live cautiously, but not to live in terror, of my son. I think that realistic caution is something that all of us should be aware of.
Dear Jfog,
I stand by what I said, this man is manipulating you with the pity ploy and with giving you “help”—but the help is a DOWN PAYMENT ON CONTROL, it is not a gift or even a loan, it is for CONTROL.
“Barely making it” is tough, believe me I definitely know that. The only reason my lights are burning and my AC running is because I don’t owe anyone anything, if I had to live on my income, I’d be living in a tent or my RV and burning candles….
But I found that for me, independence, even if it means living in a tent or cardboard box and eating out of a dumpster is better to me than living in a palace with someone controlling my life.
The Bible says a crust of bread eaten in peace is better than a feast eaten with contention. If that relationship isn’t contentious I don’t think you would be here….
Frankly, Scarlet, you ARE powerless because you GIVE HIM the power to control you….it takes energy to stand up and take back your power, but you can do it WHEN YOU ARE READY! (((hugs)))) and my prayers for your peace.
Tips for Stalking Victims
http://www.privacyrights.org/fs/fs14-stk.htm
There is some excellent information on the above site.
All of us should read.
Also, the links….check out those too…..they lead you to more valuable information.
Some we know….some knew to me…..
Tips for Stalking Victims
http://www.privacyrights.org/fs/fs14-stk.htm
There is some excellent information on the above site.
All of us should read.
Also, the links”.check out those too”..they lead you to more valuable information.
Some we know”.some new to me”..
Good points here – in my country lots of murders have happened AFTER the woman got a restraining order (protection order). It does in one sense put the police on alert, but in my country there are conditions attached to the order that affect the abuser ie they cannot have firearms, they must attend counselling for anger management etc. I took one out many years ago against an ex who had threatened myself and my family. He contested it as he liked hunting and didn’t want to be banned from owning guns. We had to go to court and his employer lied on oath for him so the order was overturned – waste of time and money really.
On Gavin de Becker’s site is a MOSAIC threat assessment tool where you answer questions about the relationship and it gives you an indication of the risk for serious violence. I filled it out about the psycho shortly after we split and was shocked to see that even though he had never raised a hand to me, the threat was at the highest possible level. A history of overt physical violence is not a prerequisite for violence at the end of the relationship. The tool takes into account other more subtle forms of violence such as destruction of property as a symbolic attack and ambient psychological abuse.
I’m really glad that at the end of the relationshit, I called the psycho what he is. I screamed at him that I knew his secret and he better leave me alone or I’d reveal his disorder to everyone and anyone who’d listen. This threatened him somewhat and he pretty much remained no contact apart from a few isolated incidents via lawyers. I know this is not recommended in literature on abuse, but I think it made clear to him I knew what he was and wouldn’t put up with any more manipulation.
I feel really bad for anyone being stalked at the end of the abuse … the abuse itself is a bad enough thing without having to worry about your own safety.
Dear Polly,
Thanks for that information about DeBecker’s site. I actually didn’t look at his web site.
Statistically the time that a woman is most at risk is at the time or shortly after she leaves a lover/husband etc. That isn’t always the case, but many times it is. Some of them will NOT let go and some seem to lose interest.
My son will never lose interest in me and revenging himself on me. I have NO doubt about that. It is a CONTROL issue, he cannot stand to have EVER been “bested” in anything by anyone, and I have “bested” him a time or two and he has never forgiven me for that. I think his rage at me had babies! Or grew up to be the size of an iceberg!
The other Ps the X-BF, the X-DIL and the Trojan horse Psychopath I think have no “love” for me at all, as in one case I embarassed him and in the other their hatred of me and my family ended up putting them in jail when their little plan to kill me failed and Plan B didn’t go off as planned either and they got caught. LOL So actually it is ALL MY FAULT after all for not being cooperative so they could kill me and make it look like suicide.
I may be capable of homicide but NEVER SUICIDE! NEVER! I wouldn’t do that to the people I love.
I’m glad you feel safe Polly. Sometimes with SOME of them a threat will work, but with others, it just eggs them on.
With the X-DIL and the Trojan Horse P–they are both cowards really and they do not want to be in a “gun FIGHT” where the other person is armed, they are the sneak up on an unarmed person and shoot them in the back types—but both of them know me, and know (1) I am NOT a push over (2) know I stay armed and ready and (3) if either of them violate no contact orders and show up here, I will do whatever is indicated to protect myself.
They also know that catching me alone without an armed body guard is also almost impossible unless you watch me 24/7 which is difficult to do considering where I live.
Now Oxy you should have been a good gal and just taken the murder as it should have been delivered. Of course it’s your fault he;s in jail – if you had just died as you should have then everything would have been fine!
Crazy logic Oxy!!! Crazy!
I was really shocked at the high threat rating from the MOSAIC tool as my ex never punched or slapped me. He did utilise psychological, emotional, sexual and financial abuse against me and this tool takes all of that into account. When I first split and ended it I was seriously worried about my safety – he looked at me with such hatred in his eyes all the time. I wondered also if he’d set fire to the house just to spite me. Instead he took the coward’s route of slander behind my back in an attempt to destroy my reputation and character … but people are starting to see through his lies now.
In your situation, I think you’re right to be forearmed – you could have died. That’s way more serious than a few nasty rumours flying around the place. If I was in a situation with a violent stalker, I would shoot first and ask questions later. You can get pizza quicker than the police here! One in the ceiling for a warning shot though … after the real shot lol
Dear Polly,
My “warning shot” goes between the eyes! If that doesn’t stop them the next 5-will.
My son D. bought me a gun that really looks like a “hog leg” like the cow boys wore. It has a long barrel and is heavy but it shoots .410 shot gun shells as well as regular ammunition. Each shot gun shell has four 9mm pellets in it.
The purpose o f the shot gun shells is that they will NOT SHOOT THROUGH WALLS. In home defense situations sometimes you are at risk for hitting someone on the other side of the wall, these will RUIN someone’s day but NOT the guy next door. The gun is so big and heavy I don’t carry it with me if I travel, just for the house. My son D came and asked me the other day where it was, he was cleaning guns and was going to clean mine too. I told him “It’s where it ALWAYS IS, on my bed UNDER MY BIBLE” and I thought he was going to choke he was laughing so hard. I wasn’t trying to be funny, I do leave it lying on the unoccupied side of my bed and usually cover it with my Bible before I go to sleep!!!
He said, “Only you, Oxy, would keep your hog leg under your Bible”
I guess he’s right but the two of them together are all the defense I need!
I’m going to go over to Debecker’s site and look at that. Catch you after I see that!
IMPORTANT TO ALL! PLS READ! I’m not sure if this is the right forum but it seemed to apply..
Today I have been updating my security settings on my pc and for some strange reason “gut feeling” I googled my own name. I was horrified by what I found out.
I am on the internet. My picture from FB (although I am blocked from other users), my professional resume (which lists my home address and phone number as well as past employers, property I’ve owned (not ct records), family info, my high schools (I went to school overseas), everything about me in one form or another…SCARY AS HELL!!
I dont know how to correct this or get rid of this…. However I think everyone should check out there own name and see what pops up…especially if there are safety and security issues involved. It sounds silly but its real and TERRIFYING! Please check it out!
coping – facebook shares with everyone – anything on fb can be given out/ sold.
1) delete your photos from fb.
2) write google and ask them to remove your pics from the cache
3) write the webmaster of each website and ask them to remove your personal information. give them 2 days to do so.
4) write google and ask them to remove these items from cache.
also look on bing and other search engines – not just google.
Facebook shares without intention to hackers too. Then the information about you can be used on Phishing and vishing frauds.
But beyond those things, your drivers license and a lot of other information is considered PUBLIC.
You can delete your name and address from the google database as well.
Most people use 1234 as their password. Try to use more characters and symbols and a longer string
Change your passwords often and don’t open email you don’t recognize the sender.
Common sense isn’t hard.