While there are no sure-proof ways to avoid exploitive partners (short of entering the monastery), we can reduce our risk of getting too deeply involved with them. Why do I say too deeply? Because if getting involved with an exploiter at all isn’t bad enough, getting in too deeply is the disaster we hope to avoid.
One of the best (and most under-utilized) strategies to protect yourself is to properly“vet” your prospective (or new) partner. What I have to say ahead is especially applicable if you’ve been burned by a sociopath previously, and even moreso if you suspect in yourself a tendency to enter relationships with bad-news characters.
What do I mean by “vetting” your partner? I mean, of course, getting to know him as thoroughly as possible before deepening your investment in him. But here’s the rub: it’s the getting to know him through others.
By others I mean his friends, family, relatives and, indeed, anyone in his social orbit from whom you stand a chance to learn, or confirm, something meaningful about him.
And so while we can agree that no strategy alone guarantees protection against exploitation, I’d propose that vetting your partner intelligently increases your protection, and is much wiser than depending exlusively on him (especially if he’s exploitive) to furnish a candid history of himself.
In other words, your partner’s history of himself will be much less informative than, and dangerously incomplete without, others’ complementary history of him.
How exactly do you vet a prospective partner? It’s true you could take any number of draconian measures—like hiring a team of private investigators—to assist you in the process and, indeed, there may be circumstances where you feel this is necessary.
However, I’m going to restrict myself in this discussion to vetting strategies that might be described as “natural—”meaning, you have access to them in the natural course of your evolving relationship.
And it begins with several absolutes: for instance, you absolutely must meet his family. You must meet his friends. And if he has kids, you must meet them, too.
Really, your aim to meet anyone and everyone in his life from whom it’s feasible to derive, piece by piece, a more complete, validating (or invalidating) profile of him.
If he has no family with whom he’s in contact, and no friends, or, if he has them but discourages you from meeting them, or, worse, is unwilling to let you meet them, well then”¦Houston, we have a problem.
If his parents are in fact deceased (and he hasn’t killed them), there’s nothing doing there. But what about his siblings? And other relatives? And, I repeat, his kids (whether younger or older)? And vitally, his friends!?
My point is that it’s on you to ensure that you neither confine yourself, nor let him confine you, into discovering him within an informational vacuum. I can’t stress this point enough: you absolutely must not allow yourself to be confined, in your discovery of who he is, within an informational vacuum.
Translation, and again at the risk of repeating myself: sooner than later, you’ll want to meet as many people as possible in his life, past and present, who, collectively, can shed light on who your partner is.
Then, if he stonewalls you; if in anyway he restricts or censors your access to feeback through the human beings who’ve comprised, and comprise, his social network, well then”¦I repeat, Houston, we’ve got a very serious problem.
And so, for instance if, in your efforts to move the vetting process forward at a natural, efficient pace, he strings you along and is saying, week after week, I’ll introduce you to my family, just not quite yet, baby”¦I’ll know when the time’s right, trust me”¦.this portends disaster.
Similarly, if he says, ostensibly to protect you, “Trust me, baby, you don’t want to meet my family. They’re a bunch of lunatics,” trust me: you’ll want to meet them. He may be right—they may be lunatics, but you’ll want to meet them to assess the risk that he’s one, too.
Because when his brother Billy Bob, who’s had a few too many pops, tells you on an unscheduled tour of the family property, “Phil tell you how me and him used to set them cats on fire and watch ’em burn to a crisp? Damn, them was the good old days,” this feedback just might not square with Phil’s having told you what an animal lover he was as a kid?
In other words, even dysfunctional, unhinged family and friends can cough up really IMPORTANT information.
Like this, from his mentally challenged, but not necessarily delusional, sister, Crystal: “Good luck with Harold. You seem nice, honey. Maybe now he’s got a girlfriend, he’ll keep his hands off me.”
Okaaay, Crystal”¦thanks for the blessing.
And please, if he has no longterm friendships, do yourself a favor: Don’t rationalize this. Ask yourself, say, hmmm”¦why?
Why does this 40-year-old man have no longterm friendships? What could explain the fact that he has no contact with anyone from his past? (Incidentally, “They’re dead to me,” isn’t a reassuring explanation, especially when a lot of people, it seems, are dead to him.)
It’s probably unncessary to get mired down in defining precisely how far back you’ll want to mine his past? Maybe it’s unnecessary to go all the way back to elementary school? Or even junior high? But what about high school? College? Old colleagues? Cousins? Hell, even old prison buddies (sorry, I know that’s not funny).
Speaking of prison, here’s a concept I ask you to entertain: if you should happen to establish, through your due diligence, that your Romeo has a prison record, how can I say this diplomatically? Remember the books See Dick RUN! See Jane RUN!
Well this circumstance—a prison history—dictates that, just like Dick and Jane, you run! Because it’s amazing what a good, smart, well-timed flight can protect you from!!
Back to the longterm friendship matter: If, in the course of the vetting process, you discover that, alas, your new partner has, indeed, maintained friendships since childhood, or made and maintained solid friendships as an adult, this is a good, positive sign. Is it certification of his integrity and authenticity? Of course not. But it belongs in the plus column of your assessment. It’s the kind of discovery, among others, you’re glad to make.
Let’s say your new partner’s alleged best friend and, for that matter, all his important “peeps,” allegedly live scattered across the country, thereby, he laments, complicating your opportunities to meet them face to face. What now?
Well, where geography deters you from breaking bread with them in person, technology to the rescue! Use skype! Talk to them, see them, interact with them on the computer! At the very least, talk to them on the phone!
There are plenty of feasible ways, in other words, in this technology-enabling world, to connect with those in his life whose geographical situations make for impractical face to face meetings. And so, if he keeps you at arms’ length from them, he’s telling you something very ominous that you need to heed carefully and proactively.
Let me stress: you aren’t just evaluating the dish you get on him from those who’ve known, and know, him (ostensibly) best; you are also evaluating the dishers! You are evaluating the evaluators!
Who are those who comprise his social network? What are their values? What’s their integrity level, as best your instincts tell you? Do they strike you as—even if not admirable in their own right—credible character references?
The answers to these questions matter a lot. It may be nice that Don, his best buddy since third grade, swears on his own family’s life that your boyfriend’s character and integrity are beyond reproach. But if Don’s done time for armed robbery, the credibility of his glowing reference suffers.
You are also evaluating how your new partner relates within his social circle. Does he maintain his “integrity” around them? Does he treat you with a consistent level of attentiveness and respect regardless of the audience? Conversely, does he become a different person around different people, revealing unexpected, disarming sides of himself?
Again, please remember: The vetting process I’m suggesting needn’t be, or seem, formal or contrived; rather, it should be entirely unforced, entirely natural. And your new partner should enable this process by welcoming you into the lives of those with whom he’s shared, and shares, his life!
If he doesn’t make this process natural and seamless—if he filibusters or stonewalls you—this is, I repeat, a serious problem.
What are you looking for in all of this? You are looking to confirm that, by and large, others’ history and experience of him line up with yours! Because if they don’t align, that’s a fatal sign. (Yes, I’m channeling my inner Johnny Cochrane!) If they don’t align, that’s a fatal sign.
So what do you with reasonably unfettered access to these valuable, potential Judas figures in his life? At the risk of overkill, you listen to them, listen to their stories of him. As we’ve established, they will tell you stories. And if they don’t tell you stories, you can ask for stories. And when he says, glowering at his buddy, “Let’s not go there, Al,” you know that’s a place you want to go.
And when he says, even more sinisterly, “I’m not f’ing kidding, Al. Let’s not go there,” you know that’s exactly one of the many places you may need to go.
Sometime the stories aren’t verbalized, they’re just implicit; and sometimes the stories come in the form of questions, like, why doesn’t Tom have relationships with any of his kids?
Listen for the excuses and heed their meanings. Their mother poisoned them against me. Even worse, their mothers poisoned them against me.
In other words, if he’s been married more than once, and hates all his ex’s, and all his ex’s hate him, and all his kids hate him, then 2+2 doesn’t equal he, poor guy, has been repeatedly victimized.
Beware of the partner who’s a lousy parent. While it’s not a guarantee he’ll be a lousy partner, it’s a warning that the same self-centeredness that corrupted his relationships with his kids will surface in his relationship with you.
More generally, beware of the partner who has a history of discarding others in his life. You want to assess this history very carefully, because this is a history that will repeat itself, you can be quite sure of that.
You may be the passion flavor of the month, or year, even five years, but when the edge of his passion fades, watch out. He will cast you off as he’s cast off the sundry others in his life, perhaps even his kids from an earlier first marriage.
Do not be fooled for one second into believing that you are who he’s been looking for all his life. He may delude himself, again and again, with this fantasy, but it’s your obligation to yourself not to collude in this delusion.
(I thank Lovefraud poster Silvermoon, who, while she may or may not subcribe to my ideas, sparked my thinking for this article with her extremely stimulating feedback. As always, my use of male gender pronouns in this article was for convenience’s sake, and not to suggest that females are exempted from the attitudes and behaviors discussed. This article is copyrighted © 2010 by Steve Becker, LCSW.)
Dancing:
Now he’s got his attorney bamboozled,,,,,
Take the persoanal out of your divorce.
YOU know what you need to do.
HE can attend councelling…..and you canseek your own…..FOR YOU.
Stay strong girl…….remember all he;s done….you want THAT back????
Dancing,
Erin makes a good point. It is very stupid that he has his attorney reccomending counseling for you. Get strong fire up and BITE the achilles heel he handed you by doing that.
Your attny should look at it and SAY BULLSHIT!
Get strong and go forward.
You can.
Yes, its hard and scary, but you still can.
Remember the little engine that said I think I can I think I can I think Ican I DID!
Thank you all so much for voices of reason and strength. Thank you!!
I described situation to my counselor, who took all your words and repeated them to me in another way:
He knows me well and is turning the screws.
He will be difficult at every step.
He is trying to wear me down.
He is manipulating me because he knows exactly how I respond.
He is not coming from a wholesome place, but from a young place (euphemism for sociopathic!)
I learned from counselor how and why this man can get under my skin so well–when I feel threatened or scared, I go into a “play dead” or possum state, go like a rag doll, just go limp and flop in a puddle on the ground. I told you guys how rattled I felt, how unsure and weak. It’s literally like I lost all body form and bone and just deflated like a balloon. Counselor says it’s my old defense mechanism from long ago which I may have used to make myself invisible, so the big bad guy, the threat, probably dad, will just go on and let me alone. And that’s true. I see the husband as this persistent, aggressive, powerful THREAT, and instead of turning on my FIGHT instinct, I go limp.
Thank you so much for your encouragement.
CHANGED MY CELL #! Wooo Hooo I’d love to see his face when he gets the automated message, “This number has been disconnected” Just like I have been disconnected, sucker! He still has the home number, but somehow he loved calling me on the cell perhaps because our daughter can’t hear his dumb*** messages.
I’d really love to hear your guys ideas about legal strategy. Do you mind if I paraphrase what his lawyer said? My lawyer is out of town till MOn and I’ll try to meet him and lay out a plan.
Here is his lawyer’s story:
1. My client is very very concerned about being terminated because he is on probation for not meeting his sales quotas this quarter.
2. If all accounts are being split, why does your client (i.e. me) get to keep her savings account since my client does not have any liquid assets?
3. Both clients’ pensions should be appraised and if DW’s is bigger, and considering clients’ age difference (13 yrs) we should discuss this further.
4. Allimony is not warranted since your client has a good job and an education and will be able to support herself.
5. Both cars are loan free and older, so no $ needs to be freed up to allow your client to buy a car. [his is ’04 mine is ’96]
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What I plan to tell my lawyer:
I dragged him to a gazillion therapists during 16 yrs of our marriage.
During last two years of separation we went to three therapists and he refused to do any work, fought with them, called them conflict oriented therapists.
And to protect two things that are most important to me.
I’ll have my mom check our old tax returns to estimate how much money he should have saved compared to what he says he has. If I have cause to believe he is hiding $, I’ll tell lawyer that.
HOw else can I go to sleep without so much anxiety about what will be? I can’t control how all this will unfold, but worrying doesn’t help me at each step.
If you have experience/personal knowledge about what worked, please share with me helpful strategies/tactics.
My lawyer is a bit too trusting and just doesn’t get who he is dealing with. I think husband will try to have both his and my lawyer bamboozled that he is the poor victim here.
Hire a DAMN GOOD PI to search out all his assets.
Its going to be worth it.
Also, anything that was yours prior to marriage can’t be touched so if you had that pension before you married, ask if it can be excepted. Don’t know but worth a try.
Don’t answer anything he proposes. Tell him what you want. Make his side negotiate.
Tell his attorney you don’t think he deserves anything. If the value in the keely blue book on his car is highter than the value of yours, there is value that has to be balanced on your side of the books. Period. It doesn’t specifically get attached to buying you a car, it just factors into what you get and what he gets.
Take the costs of what you paid to take him to therapy and add into the equation that you want half od that expense back.
Divorce is about balancing the numbers on both sides of the equation.
Also, you can give up to $10,000 a year to your children. Find out if you can give away assets in such a way he can’t touch them…..
Don’t accept Alimony. Its taxable. Take property settlement instead.
Let him think he isn’t paying Alimony its a psyche out for men.
I know in the state where I divirced, there was no limit on what you could ask for Alimony so ask for something huge and drop it as a concession to get real value in property settlement. He will think he WINS on it.
Yes, you have to let go of the worrying and anxiety. Its messing up your ability to think clearly. And you need to.
Protect your future, protect your children. Protect your safety!
Did you file for the PTO on the phone harassment??? You need that. Get it done. It make a real statement about him and it will serve to keep you safer.
Make sure your attny knows you want one. You may be able to put it in the divorce.
If you need to, get a forensic accountant to go through all the bank statements, cancelled checks and tax returns and credit card statements. Find out if he was spending money in weird places- Drugs? Affairs? Its very likely he was if he is true to SPATH form.
If your lawyer doesn’t get it and is too trusting, tell him to get tough or you will get another one. You’d be better off with a woman!
WARRRIOR:
SERIOUSLY……YOU must take the personal OUT OF IT…..and YOU design your divorce.
It’s up to your attorney to fulfill the legalities for you….
Whatever HIS attorney says…..is like the peanuts teacher….wha,wha, wha,wha………just sound….
He’s muddying the waters….
Remember, the longer it goeson…..the more he get’s paid….
Ilearned early in……you DON”T HAVE TO RESPOND TO EVERYTHING OR ANYTHING HIS ATTORNEY WRITES.
Don’t address it, it you don’t agree…..
TAKE THE OFFENSIVE……
YOU know your life, your attorney doesn’t/nor his/….don’t assume they do…..and don’t assume they have anything other than MONEY vested in YOUR divorce….cus they don’t.
His attorney can write 15 letters, and you can ‘respond’ to nothing in them….and his attorney will forget what he accused, demanded or whatever…..they don'[t keep track….YOU DO…cuz you take it personal.
You can respond with your own riff raff…..and this can go on forever…and they get paid and you get nowhere…..
My ex’s attorney sent letters of all sorts…..NEVER followed up.
He NEVER responded during discovery…..and I HAD TO KEEP TRACK…..and ask attorney to make another request of bank statements, visa INVOICES-complete with billing…yadayada…
He was NOT going to turn those over to me…..but it wasn’t my attorney remembering we hadn’t received them yet….IT WAS ME.
Ya see…..
Just because he say’s a statement about the vehicles….and you don’t agree….don’t spend your money arguing….save it for the negotiation….LATER.
A judge will value the difference in vehicles…..print out the Kelly blue book estimates RIGHT NOW…YOU…and give to attorney for later.
You don’t have to discuss therapy with YOUR attorney…..just take that off the table…..he can pay his attorney to blabber all he wants…..NOT YOUR PROBLEM….move past it.
Try not to ‘gossip’ with your attorney…..get caught up in the tit for tat…..YOUR PAYING FOR IT and taking up headspace in nothing in his head.
If you think he’s hiding assets….FIND EM!
Research on web…..How men hide assets…..they all do it the same way.
Don’t muddy waters with attorney with accusations YOU CAN”T PROVE.
Fine em!!! FIRST.
again…until it’s proven and documented …..it’s gossip and redundant!
If you had accounts prior to marriage
and never co – mingled……they are off limits….
The longer the divorce goes on….and remember…..buckel up…..and get used to it NOW….cuz you in it for the duration……HARDEN yourself to the emotions and remove them….you MUST!!!
Good for you for changing your number…make sure it doesn’t leek out…..
You didn’t menton it…..but I am assuming you did nothing with the TPO…..
You’ll regret that later!
If you think it…..don’t ignore it!
HAVE NO REGRETS…..in your moves…..
Hold your head high and do whats right for you and D.
A forensic accountant is very expensive….my GF is 145K in….after 2 years….and they STILL don’t have it right…..
I suggest YOU know your finances best……CRITIC it to the nth degree……
If something needs to be tweeked, you can do it in your favor.
It’s a business……separating a business! Period!
Dear Warrior,
EB is one of the most savy gals on this site about divorce and fighting it! Listen to her advice!
If you try to play “fair’ you will get screwed! Do whatever you can to protect YOUR interests!
I just have to laugh when I hear people say things like, “I don’t want to stoop to the sociopath’s level, because then I will be just like him. And I don’t want that.”
If that is your thinking, then you should NEVER get into the arena with a sociopath, because the sociopath will mop the floor with you.
I believe it was Kathleen Hawk who said (and I’m paraphrasing here), “There’s nothing wrong with what sociopaths do. It’s just that it’s ALL that they do. They don’t know how to do anything else.”
As far as I am concerned, there is nothing wrong with being just as competitive as a sociopath if that is what you are up against, and the stakes are high.
But that’s just me….I like to WIN.
I think it’s important to remember that WE ARE THE EMPATHS.
That means we know when it’s appropriate to be cut-throat competitive and when it’s NOT.
So, we get the best of both worlds.
Sociopaths….they only have that one gear…power, control, & manipulation.
Rosa:
I couldn’t agree more.
When I hear people say….I don’t want to become like them….
Well then….Okay…..do you like devastation.
I remember back when I made the decision to use counter control…..vividly.
My attorney said…EB, you will come out with dignity.
That PISSED me off!
I HAVE DIGNITY….I don’t need to be a rag mop to have dignity!!!
I was PAYING all OUR bills…..HE WASN”T….he was doing what he did best…..I WAS racking up CC debt…..HE WAS having fun,traveling…..
I WAS in treatment with radiation……HE WASN”T…
I WAS raising the kids and maintaining the business….HE WASN”T…..
FUCK you…..if that’s NOT DIGNITY!!!!
Dignity doesnt’ include getting walked all over…..and destroyed.
SO…..after I was accused of taking 50K out of the bank account and ‘hiding’ it…..
I decided my dignity would come from Calling on my ‘inner Sociopath’ and WIPING the floors WITH HIM.
He actually said to me…..early on….I’m gonna take you to the cleaners…..
My immediate response was …..GAME ON!
I learned about HIM, his behaviors, classic Sociopathic/narcissistic behaviors and games….I read, read and researched.
I NEVER did anything ‘outwardly’ underhanded……
(like draining bank accounts)……
I never cancelled car insurance, CC’s, removed funding from retirement accounts….etc…
I did ….Cancel his costco card….oooh, bad eb…you shoulda heard him cry foul on his COSTCO card…..(upon deaf ears)….but point is….if that was ALL he could viably cry about…..no one took him seriously and it undermined his case and credibility…..(see the counter control)
They just want to ‘cry’……
I learned from the things HE did……looking back at my life….and learned how to manipulate him, push his buttons, block his moves. I learned how to counter control him by my ‘inner sociopathic’ moves……
As I remained the upstanding woman with character AND DIGNITY.
I reminded myself everyday to remain balanced. I know right from wrong and I didn’t use my ‘superpowers’ to do wrong on society…..
I didn’t rub the genie lamp and abuse my wishes…..
I used what I learned Back at him……It was either ME or HIM.
And I decided it wasn’t going to be ME.
I knew my health was very fragile….I made a plan for my future…..if I needed more treatments….I was gonna need money for them……
If I let him ‘win’…..I would be destroyed financially and probably get sick again from sheer worry. And it would be totally a death wish.
I felt I had no choice but to fight and fight hard!
It took a lot out of me…..but then again….it would take a lot out of me if I was destroyed raising the kids.
It’s HARD, tedious work……but withevery day came so much info…..
And I can share my info and what worked with others…..
I can hopefully empower others to step up and protect themselves…..
this is my wish.
I am NO different than anyone else…..I have no degree, I have no formal legal training…..
I’ve learned what I learned from listening to others stories and research and my own journey……
I discussed this ‘idea’ with my therapist, during my fight…..
He called me a few days ago….I haven’t seen him in about 8 months…..to check in on me….
We discussed every step of my counter control and knowing my ex, he agreed, this was the only way I was going to ‘get out’ with my shirt on……but keep it under control eb…..
There were times I was higher than a kite……and would fall hard with something spath would do……
This tought me to remain centered…..don’t let the highs get to high…..OR the lows too low……expect the up and downs….
I learned to not take his attacks personally….and I did much better. I learned the ‘game’……and played by MY rules…..
But yes…..My opinion and experience is……we can ‘step in’ AND we can ‘step right back out’ again…..
I say….GO GETEM!!!!
Joy Wednesday, 21 April 2010 @....... 7:18pm
Because they are so good at the public illusion with so many, it is we who appear crazy. Until the adoring ones get burned and then they have the AH! moment we wished to give them ahead of time.
Thank you Joy for your post response. When the illusion is so apparent to see (our eyes only); this is where I gain the instant moral advantage; the instant boost; I can throw a look back at the illusionist to say ‘well you and I both know who’s got a problem’. They don’t know that I am aware of their disorder, so I project a ‘I’m too dense to know what’s going on’ facade. My abuser would crumble if she were to know that for decades I knew of her disorder. I dont reveal it as this is powerful silent knowledge; she would only abuse it if I revealed. rather like her perecption (&treatment of me) like a hand right above me following my every move ready to puppet me/move goalposts/flick me around/watch my every move…. in my mind I perceive her like a hand right above her, following her every illusion/back handed trickery/sympathetically watching ‘from above’ how she cannot sleep restfully unless she has conducted malice that day. Liek a mother watching a child’s sociopathic personality, aware how different and disordered they are from other siblings. They have malice but a disorder that marks them out as abnormal. To be normal they have to be abornomal. Normal people don’t have to be anything, just themselves.
This has been the theme and the dynamic between my lifelong abuser. Hinting, exposing her behaviour leads me nowhere. It backfires and I am exhibiting the monster profile my abuser has attached to me.
When people I least expect echo abuser’s statement, they sound just like abuser. From nowhere decent folk I had a strong bond with carry her dialogue and pack mentality ‘lord of flies’ style.
geminigirl Wednesday, 21 April 2010 @....... 7:27pm
Its like a merrygo round,”“when we choose to get off, and stay off, they have to round and round by themselves. We are out of their sad, abusive, sick games.
Thing is though. I’ve avoided my abuser like the plague for decades; when she attacks me (smears, emotional abuse etc) she can do this without even seeing me for months. I am abused from her web-stuck crowd, feeding me back gossip and concern. I chose to get off that roundabout a long time ago. The abuser can’t let go of me! It’s almost like I’m her nicotine; she gets withdrawal symptoms when she hasn’t abused for a while.