While there are no sure-proof ways to avoid exploitive partners (short of entering the monastery), we can reduce our risk of getting too deeply involved with them. Why do I say too deeply? Because if getting involved with an exploiter at all isn’t bad enough, getting in too deeply is the disaster we hope to avoid.
One of the best (and most under-utilized) strategies to protect yourself is to properly“vet” your prospective (or new) partner. What I have to say ahead is especially applicable if you’ve been burned by a sociopath previously, and even moreso if you suspect in yourself a tendency to enter relationships with bad-news characters.
What do I mean by “vetting” your partner? I mean, of course, getting to know him as thoroughly as possible before deepening your investment in him. But here’s the rub: it’s the getting to know him through others.
By others I mean his friends, family, relatives and, indeed, anyone in his social orbit from whom you stand a chance to learn, or confirm, something meaningful about him.
And so while we can agree that no strategy alone guarantees protection against exploitation, I’d propose that vetting your partner intelligently increases your protection, and is much wiser than depending exlusively on him (especially if he’s exploitive) to furnish a candid history of himself.
In other words, your partner’s history of himself will be much less informative than, and dangerously incomplete without, others’ complementary history of him.
How exactly do you vet a prospective partner? It’s true you could take any number of draconian measures—like hiring a team of private investigators—to assist you in the process and, indeed, there may be circumstances where you feel this is necessary.
However, I’m going to restrict myself in this discussion to vetting strategies that might be described as “natural—”meaning, you have access to them in the natural course of your evolving relationship.
And it begins with several absolutes: for instance, you absolutely must meet his family. You must meet his friends. And if he has kids, you must meet them, too.
Really, your aim to meet anyone and everyone in his life from whom it’s feasible to derive, piece by piece, a more complete, validating (or invalidating) profile of him.
If he has no family with whom he’s in contact, and no friends, or, if he has them but discourages you from meeting them, or, worse, is unwilling to let you meet them, well then”¦Houston, we have a problem.
If his parents are in fact deceased (and he hasn’t killed them), there’s nothing doing there. But what about his siblings? And other relatives? And, I repeat, his kids (whether younger or older)? And vitally, his friends!?
My point is that it’s on you to ensure that you neither confine yourself, nor let him confine you, into discovering him within an informational vacuum. I can’t stress this point enough: you absolutely must not allow yourself to be confined, in your discovery of who he is, within an informational vacuum.
Translation, and again at the risk of repeating myself: sooner than later, you’ll want to meet as many people as possible in his life, past and present, who, collectively, can shed light on who your partner is.
Then, if he stonewalls you; if in anyway he restricts or censors your access to feeback through the human beings who’ve comprised, and comprise, his social network, well then”¦I repeat, Houston, we’ve got a very serious problem.
And so, for instance if, in your efforts to move the vetting process forward at a natural, efficient pace, he strings you along and is saying, week after week, I’ll introduce you to my family, just not quite yet, baby”¦I’ll know when the time’s right, trust me”¦.this portends disaster.
Similarly, if he says, ostensibly to protect you, “Trust me, baby, you don’t want to meet my family. They’re a bunch of lunatics,” trust me: you’ll want to meet them. He may be right—they may be lunatics, but you’ll want to meet them to assess the risk that he’s one, too.
Because when his brother Billy Bob, who’s had a few too many pops, tells you on an unscheduled tour of the family property, “Phil tell you how me and him used to set them cats on fire and watch ’em burn to a crisp? Damn, them was the good old days,” this feedback just might not square with Phil’s having told you what an animal lover he was as a kid?
In other words, even dysfunctional, unhinged family and friends can cough up really IMPORTANT information.
Like this, from his mentally challenged, but not necessarily delusional, sister, Crystal: “Good luck with Harold. You seem nice, honey. Maybe now he’s got a girlfriend, he’ll keep his hands off me.”
Okaaay, Crystal”¦thanks for the blessing.
And please, if he has no longterm friendships, do yourself a favor: Don’t rationalize this. Ask yourself, say, hmmm”¦why?
Why does this 40-year-old man have no longterm friendships? What could explain the fact that he has no contact with anyone from his past? (Incidentally, “They’re dead to me,” isn’t a reassuring explanation, especially when a lot of people, it seems, are dead to him.)
It’s probably unncessary to get mired down in defining precisely how far back you’ll want to mine his past? Maybe it’s unnecessary to go all the way back to elementary school? Or even junior high? But what about high school? College? Old colleagues? Cousins? Hell, even old prison buddies (sorry, I know that’s not funny).
Speaking of prison, here’s a concept I ask you to entertain: if you should happen to establish, through your due diligence, that your Romeo has a prison record, how can I say this diplomatically? Remember the books See Dick RUN! See Jane RUN!
Well this circumstance—a prison history—dictates that, just like Dick and Jane, you run! Because it’s amazing what a good, smart, well-timed flight can protect you from!!
Back to the longterm friendship matter: If, in the course of the vetting process, you discover that, alas, your new partner has, indeed, maintained friendships since childhood, or made and maintained solid friendships as an adult, this is a good, positive sign. Is it certification of his integrity and authenticity? Of course not. But it belongs in the plus column of your assessment. It’s the kind of discovery, among others, you’re glad to make.
Let’s say your new partner’s alleged best friend and, for that matter, all his important “peeps,” allegedly live scattered across the country, thereby, he laments, complicating your opportunities to meet them face to face. What now?
Well, where geography deters you from breaking bread with them in person, technology to the rescue! Use skype! Talk to them, see them, interact with them on the computer! At the very least, talk to them on the phone!
There are plenty of feasible ways, in other words, in this technology-enabling world, to connect with those in his life whose geographical situations make for impractical face to face meetings. And so, if he keeps you at arms’ length from them, he’s telling you something very ominous that you need to heed carefully and proactively.
Let me stress: you aren’t just evaluating the dish you get on him from those who’ve known, and know, him (ostensibly) best; you are also evaluating the dishers! You are evaluating the evaluators!
Who are those who comprise his social network? What are their values? What’s their integrity level, as best your instincts tell you? Do they strike you as—even if not admirable in their own right—credible character references?
The answers to these questions matter a lot. It may be nice that Don, his best buddy since third grade, swears on his own family’s life that your boyfriend’s character and integrity are beyond reproach. But if Don’s done time for armed robbery, the credibility of his glowing reference suffers.
You are also evaluating how your new partner relates within his social circle. Does he maintain his “integrity” around them? Does he treat you with a consistent level of attentiveness and respect regardless of the audience? Conversely, does he become a different person around different people, revealing unexpected, disarming sides of himself?
Again, please remember: The vetting process I’m suggesting needn’t be, or seem, formal or contrived; rather, it should be entirely unforced, entirely natural. And your new partner should enable this process by welcoming you into the lives of those with whom he’s shared, and shares, his life!
If he doesn’t make this process natural and seamless—if he filibusters or stonewalls you—this is, I repeat, a serious problem.
What are you looking for in all of this? You are looking to confirm that, by and large, others’ history and experience of him line up with yours! Because if they don’t align, that’s a fatal sign. (Yes, I’m channeling my inner Johnny Cochrane!) If they don’t align, that’s a fatal sign.
So what do you with reasonably unfettered access to these valuable, potential Judas figures in his life? At the risk of overkill, you listen to them, listen to their stories of him. As we’ve established, they will tell you stories. And if they don’t tell you stories, you can ask for stories. And when he says, glowering at his buddy, “Let’s not go there, Al,” you know that’s a place you want to go.
And when he says, even more sinisterly, “I’m not f’ing kidding, Al. Let’s not go there,” you know that’s exactly one of the many places you may need to go.
Sometime the stories aren’t verbalized, they’re just implicit; and sometimes the stories come in the form of questions, like, why doesn’t Tom have relationships with any of his kids?
Listen for the excuses and heed their meanings. Their mother poisoned them against me. Even worse, their mothers poisoned them against me.
In other words, if he’s been married more than once, and hates all his ex’s, and all his ex’s hate him, and all his kids hate him, then 2+2 doesn’t equal he, poor guy, has been repeatedly victimized.
Beware of the partner who’s a lousy parent. While it’s not a guarantee he’ll be a lousy partner, it’s a warning that the same self-centeredness that corrupted his relationships with his kids will surface in his relationship with you.
More generally, beware of the partner who has a history of discarding others in his life. You want to assess this history very carefully, because this is a history that will repeat itself, you can be quite sure of that.
You may be the passion flavor of the month, or year, even five years, but when the edge of his passion fades, watch out. He will cast you off as he’s cast off the sundry others in his life, perhaps even his kids from an earlier first marriage.
Do not be fooled for one second into believing that you are who he’s been looking for all his life. He may delude himself, again and again, with this fantasy, but it’s your obligation to yourself not to collude in this delusion.
(I thank Lovefraud poster Silvermoon, who, while she may or may not subcribe to my ideas, sparked my thinking for this article with her extremely stimulating feedback. As always, my use of male gender pronouns in this article was for convenience’s sake, and not to suggest that females are exempted from the attitudes and behaviors discussed. This article is copyrighted © 2010 by Steve Becker, LCSW.)
OxDrover Wednesday, 21 April 2010 @....... 7:33pm
I hope to heck that you are able to keep that relationship with your parents.
Oh yes!!! They are perfectly aware of their daughter’s (and others like her) behaviour. My father detests her. My mother doesn’t but knows and agrees she is a taker, greedy, duplicitous (abusive with her/nice with audience), easily irritated with her mother, doesn’t exhibit warmth like her other children do. “Let the dogs bark” is the phrase my father passed on to me. They both talk with me as a counsellor, they rely on me (too much however), they tell me things they’ve never told their other children. I am their confidante and their friend.
I hope you are in some way able to contain the venom that your sibs and your neighbor are spewing and that your parents are protected from the worst of it.
The bully SiL emotionally blackmailed/maniupulated my mother with a lie. I corrected this to my mother. Sadly my mother instantly took SiL’s side, which hurt me deeply. SiL & brother visited, during which 4 days of bullying and total disrespect for my parents took place. It was a comptetition b/ween he two ‘which one of us can get away with murder?’. When SiL stopped, brother took over, then his wife polished it off’. When they left I counselled my parents, and they reassured me that they know what happened and I wasn’t to feel bad about it. “Ignore her, let them bark, she’s always like that..” they told me.. Unfortunately there were no witnesses to see 4 days of bullying.
They are perfectly aware that the neighbour’s allegations shared with siblings is untrue. It is after all their word against the accusers. of course the accusers consistently avoids seeking validation from parents; they bypass that and continue interrogating me. When I invite them to speak with parents, they crawl back where they came from without a noise.
My elder parents’ welfare is my top agenda.
I hope that you can distance yourself and your parents too from these evil people and not stay in the middle between people who are shooting at each other!
Sadly impossible. I have tried to get them to relocate. I assume my father will pass first, and from that point my mother’s welfare is paramount. S sis will do anything to ensure my mother (her slave) is around her to meet her persistent needs. She will accuse me of my father’s death (not an exaggeration, I might add.. it’s her mindset), so the grieving process will be abused. This is one time I would cut my right hand off to be as far away from S sis. A normal grieving process with her walking this earth? It will never happen.
Good luck Outlier and God bless you and your parents. I am very sorry that they have such offspring. I definitely know what it is to have toxic offspring.
Thank you OxDrover. Sincerely.
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Dear Outlier,
It sounds as if you are doing the best you can under the circumstances. That’s all we can do. I hope your parents retain their mental facilties for their lives. My beloved step father did, right up to the moment he die, which was great. He didn’t see the abuse my egg donor heaped on me as abuse most of the time, but when she obviously went over board he stopped her physically if necessary.
He did however counter her lack of caring and love and confidence and esteem building, so that I have great memories of he and I doing things together when I was a kid and a teenager. He had pride in my accomplishments and that even now, 5 1/2 years after his passing I still use to cheer my spirits! I have a large photograph of him and his last dog, a stray that wandered to their house, starving and sick that he took in, and oh, how he and that dog loved each other! I have that photograph framed and by my front door so that every time I pass out that door, I am reminded of his loving kindness to a child not his, that he owned and claimed and made his daughter.
ErinB,
Would you tell me more about TPO–temporary protective order I assume.
I emailed lawyer a while ago asking can something be done to prevent him from calling me, but he never replied.
I didn’t know how to justify asking for a restraining order as he hasn’t threatened or done anything outright dangerous.
What I don’t get is just when exactly do I negotiate? His lawyer sends a counterproposal and it makes sense not to waste my $ paying my lawyer even responding if I am not interested in his job/therapy/cars or whatever. So WHEN do we negotiate then?
I know that we have a date on 5/12 with family masters. If we don’t agree, they try to advise us to settle one way or anohter. If we don’t, then there is the pre-trial trying to agree. And if not, then trial.
I will look up how to searchhow he may be hiding assets, but honestly I have NO CLUE where to begin. I have no clue where he might have an account. The first thing I’d do is see how the tax return deductions in 401K savings adds up, and how much he’s supposed to have. Does that make sense?
Thank you for the tips not to waste time discussing anything unessential with lawyer on his expensive clock.
Please tell me more on what grounds to ask for a restraining order. Thank you.
Hi Silvermoon,
My lawyer asked for TEN years of alimony, which is half of duration of our marriage. How exactly do I equate or translate that into a property settlement?
Do I take the total amount of the ten year payments, and just ask for it to be substituted for assets in another shape, say the value of the equity in the house?
I asked Erin about the TPO–I had emailed the lawyer about the phone calls, but he did not respond and I let it go. I didn’t know if I had good enough reason to ask for it.
How exactly would I explain why I need it?
Thank you.
You add up what you need to live YOUR life.
then accentuate your needs and negotiate in court.
The first hearing is blame, blame, blame….acusations, acusations and blah……
Set up legally, your POSESSION of the family home and HIM PAYING FOR IT.
Your attorney substantiates CS and Alimony and posession of property….his claims he’s just suffering at your hands…..yada yada.
Make it CLEAR to your attorney….you don’t want your hour hearing, used with defending his UNSUBTANTIATED accusations or blubbering…..jsut have him say….Ms. X has no duty to attend your clients issues.
Ask him to refer to you as MS. NOT MRS.
Down the line…
IF you can identify an asset ‘in leu of’…..take it…..BUT I CAUTION YOU….if you take a retirement acct….there are tax consequences…..be aware…..You need to consult with a tax person…..when you make all your taxable decisions.
ALimony AND CHild support are able to be renegotiated by the other party if his employment changes…..so….I’d suggest taking anything else in leu of….
IF you are not in a substantial financial postition (together), it’s not likely you’ll recieve alimony…..
If there are not substantial assets……
and he’s not going after burying you…..figure out what you need, require…..CC debts, liabilityes….insurances etc….
And make an offer…..
It’ll save the attorneys costs.
Plan on 2 years min. Until divorce….it may be over in a year…..or not….but plan on 2.
I planned on 4 for mine….and it was over in a year…..
I knew the longeer it went on…..the more attorneys’ he’d go through the more it would piss the judge off.
It cost me @.......$250 hr. for attorey…..about 10K,……(with my last attorney)……8K with the worthless one prior….
So…plan on about 20K in attorney fees…..
GO IN WITH THIS IN MIND……and weigh your options accordingly.
If there isn’t any assets to bicker on…..don’t bicker….
I was under the impression you ALREADY HAD A RESTRAINING ORDER IN PLACE???
IF not…..it’s stalking and harassment you need……based on his 9,000 calls and texts…..
But those should be filed immediately…..especially in a divorce…..without waiting….
At this point, if he’s left you alone……don’t bother.
You MUST act without haste on restraining orders, otherwise it looks as if your retaliating to gain leverage in divorce.
YOU DON”T HAVE TO GO THROUGH YOUR ATTORNEY FOR THIS……go to a womens advocate in your county/town…..or do it alone…..
download the form online….it’s NOT HARD…..just keep your documentation of what he said/dates/times.
A TPO is a protective order against DOMESTIC VIOLENCE.
A STALKING AND HARASSMENT ORDER is a civil order different from a TPO….and not necesarily related to a domestic partner…..
A financial restraining order is an order protecting both parties from disposing of any asset or account etc…usually held on BOTH parties in a divorce.
THESE THREE ARE VERY DIFFERENT!!!!
If he hits you or threatens to hit you…..it’s a TPO
IF he calls you 9000 times a day……day in/out….it’s stalking/harassment (regardless of him declairing his love or hate for you)……
Let me REITERATE…..you don’t have to rely on your attorney for these!!!
He didn’t respond, because he wasnt’ interested……to him….it’s rif raf……
KNOW YOUR ATTORNEY……
If they want to ignore some things….they will……this is a good example of what i stated in the other post.
Standart attorney behavior…..
This is why you MUST kNOW your case!!!! and Drive it….
An attorney advises……YOU MAKE THE FINAL DECISIONS.
It’s a dance between you and your attorney….and you have to be able to identify when he’s stepping on yur toes.
Dances,
whatever the amount of 10 years of alimony are, to the equivalent value as a property settlement. IR you get the house.
If you get it, can you afford to keep it?
Well, I did not keep track of dates/times of his calls and it wasn’t 9000/a day.
With changed #, all messages were erased so I don’t even have any evidence.
I asked him not to call anymore after he received the proposal and was freaking out. He called still, maybe 2 or 3x a week. But it’s the pleading voice, the emotional weight, the stress it causes me to hear him, the pressure and guilt he counts on tormenting me with. And he’ll preface his calls, “I know how difficult this is , but, and I know you want to protect yourself, but, and I am not trying to give you a hard time and try to get back together, but…”
Today the house phone rang, no message, and no one calls me, so I’m not paranoid, but I know it was him.
Good to know I can get the harassment and stalking protection myself, but I was worried that I don’t appear vindictive if I don’t have evidence, or if my complaint can be interpreted as exaggerated.
Warrior:
This is why you must document all calls.
From this point forward….get yourelf a notebook…..for this purpose….document all hangup calls…..I assume you have caller Id also.
Cell phone bills dont show numbers or calls that go to vm, this is why it’s important to take a pic of the phone itself, showing number, date and time.
a digi pic.
Record, date and time and message left in your log.
Write it out…
Get the digi recorder to transfer all messages to that.
I was being facicious with the 9000 calls…..but after 45….what does it matter…..it may as well be 90000 it’s harassment.
It is NOT reasonable behavior.
Now that you’ve changed your number….keep the receipt in your log book…..
He may get the point……but I suspect this weekend when he ‘s got time on his hands…..it may start on the home phone.
Make sure your daughter knows your new number is private and doesn’t have it listed in her phone under MOM.
Yes….this process is ‘easy’….for a stalking harassment order…..don’t be intimidated by the process…..It’s one page statemetn…….simple.
This statement can be copied from your soon to be aquired logbook.
Don’t worry….and ENJOY your weekend!!! Find some peace for yourself!!!
Be prepared! Be strong!!
ErinB,
I Emailed him a polite request not to email me about emotional/personal things anymore on 3/13, and expressly told him on phone not to call me anymore on 3/23.
He sent 14 personal emails since the no email request.
I only know of 4 voice messages since the changed #, but when I get the bill, received calls will be listed.
After I changed cell #, he hung up twice, and today left a message asking to talk and go for a walk.
I think:
I email him that I have already told him twice not to email or call me anymore on 3/13 and 3/23.
That he continues to call and thus I have changed my cell #.
The purpose of this letter is to inform him that I do not want to receive ANY phone calls or emails from him. That I feel that his calls are alarming, annoying, and harassing.
In case of an emergency he should contact my lawyer at this #. To communicate with daughter to use her cell # (which he does anyhow).
Then on Monday I’ll mail the same letter certified to him. I’ll notify my phone company that I am being harassed by this specific caller.
This is the language defining phone harassment in my state:
a) A person is guilty of harassment in the second degree when: (1) By telephone, he addresses another in or uses indecent or obscene language; or (2) with intent to harass, annoy or alarm another person, he communicates with a person by telegraph or mail, by electronically transmitting a facsimile through connection with a telephone network, by computer network, as defined in section 53a-250, or by any other form of written communication, in a manner likely to cause annoyance or alarm; or (3) with intent to harass, annoy or alarm another person, he makes a telephone call, whether or not a conversation ensues, in a manner likely to cause annoyance or alarm.
Dancing:
I’m sorry~ I think I got you confused with another poster….CRS….and I wasn’t helpful….
Someone else here got 45 calls in the past few weeks, in one day……
Eeesh….Sorry.
So….let me start over…
With 14 emails and a few calls it IS an annoyance….and I don’t suggest you attempt an order….
I think all you can do currently is STICK to your guns with NC,
I think the ex SHOULD….at some point get the message…..with follow through.
Just know…..IF he starts calling/emailing insessintly…..get an order….
your spath seems to walk the fine line…..
I’m sorry for leading you on an alarming route…..and getting your story mixed with anothers…..
Dang…..glad you called me on my 9000 call remark……
Try to ignore him…..but still document.