When people realize that that they are involved with a sociopath, the standard advice from Lovefraud is that they should, as quickly as possible, cut the predator out of their lives. That means no phone calls, no e-mails, no texts, and certainly no in-person meetings. It means No Contact.
Of course, there are times when this is difficult, as when our reader works with the sociopath, or they have children together. In these cases, they need to implement No Contact as best they can. But let’s now talk about situations where it is possible to get rid of the person, such as in a dating relationship.
What is the best way to establish No Contact? Clearly, firmly and permanently.
The rules of No Contact
The book called The Gift of Fear, by Gavin de Becker, devotes several pages to the topic of rejecting an unwanted suitor, and these pages are among the most helpful of the entire book.
De Becker writes in the context of a woman who decides she doesn’t want to be involved with a man. Do not, the author says, try to “let him down easy.” Here’s what he writes:
One rule applies to all types of unwanted pursuit: Do not negotiate. Once a woman has made the decision that she doesn’t want a relationship with a particular man, it needs to be said one time, explicitly. Almost any contact after that rejection will be seen as negotiation ”¦ If you tell someone ten times that you don’t want to talk to him, you are talking to him—nine times more than you wanted to.
Here are more points that de Becker makes in the book:
- If you get 30 messages from a pursuer, and finally call him back to say, “stop calling,” he learns that after 30 attempts, he will get a response.
- If you make an excuse like, “I don’t want to be in a relationship right now,” the stalker assumes you will want to be in a relationship later, and keeps calling.
- If you say, “You’re a great guy, but I’m not the one for you,” the stalker thinks you’re just confused, and will come around in time.
- Never explain why you don’t want a relationship. If you give a reason, it gives him something to challenge.
- A nice or delicate rejection is often taken as affection.
“The way to stop contact is to stop contact,” de Becker says. “I suggest one explicit rejection and after that absolutely no contact. If you call the pursuer back, or agree to meet, or send him a note, or have somebody warn him off, you buy another six weeks of his unwanted pursuit.”
Giving in
What happens if you’re wishy-washy about No Contact? Not long ago, Lovefraud received the following letter from a reader who we’ll call “Lenore.”
I literally had to count the days that went by as I refused contact with him, and on day 120, I celebrated because I felt healed. Well, on day 121, he emailed me, and against my better judgment, I emailed him back. He told me he had been in therapy, he realized what he had done wrong, he was on medication.
I was cautious and wary, and decided, amidst warnings of concern from my friends and family, to perhaps work on a friendship again. We worked on being friends for a few weeks, and everything was great and fine. I felt in control of the situation.
Then his old behaviors started creeping in. He installed a GPS app on my phone so he could track my whereabouts. He began calling and texting incessantly, and flipping out if I didn’t answer right away. The verbal and psychological abuse had begun again. Fortunately, this time it did not escalate to physical abuse. He began lying again, gaslighting and acting erratically, and began seeing other women on the side. Last night, it once again became too much and I told him not to contact me again because my heart and my spirit couldn’t take any more pain, and his inconsistency is so bad for my son.
So today begins Day One again without him. I am writing you today to tell you that your no contact advice was the best advice I didn’t take. For 120 days I went without him. It took a while, but by day 90 I was happy and free and at peace. Now I am back to square one.
No Contact is the path to healing from an entanglement with a sociopath. The stronger you can be about No Contact, the faster you will recover.
Dear SHMS,
Thanks for the appreciation of my “one liners”—I think in another life I must have been a stand up comedian or something, court jester, whatever! How about just a smart arse! LOL I got plenty of practice with my late husband who was a MASTER of the one-liner off the cuff. Here where I can TYPE things I can “appear” to be a master of the one liner because I can take time to THINK first…But the real masters are the ones who can pop them out off the top of their head time after time. The BEST off the cuff one liners I ever had though were ones I COULD NOT SAY AT THE TIME, but just THINK! But even now they give me laughs when I think about them.
As for sending them articles or wanting to share your new knowledge with them—“might as well try to teach a pig to sing! All you will do is pith off the pig and frustrate yourself!” (that’s not original LOL)
I agree, I like to RUSH things too, but letting the recovery take its own pace is the best Way!
The “should be using that time to be productive” is something I could have written–can we say TYPE A personality? Learning to RELAX and enjoy it is a difficult thing for me. Just to “DO NOTHING” is a SIN in my Family of origin (FOO) so like an old horse that has walked continual circles around a mill for its entire life 12 hours a day, when you turn it out to pasture to retire, it will find a tree and walk circles around it 12 hours a day 6 days a week (they know the time and they know the days after a long time—my grandfather’s mules always knew when Sunday came and they’d hang around the bar lot because they knew they didn’t have to work that day!)– they just can’t “retire” and relax because work is all they know, it is their purpose in life.
Too much of my identity was my work—and not enough on WHO I was. Someone here wrote or I read some where else (CRS) about a retreat where the point was to answer “Who am I?” Of course you would start with your NAME but is that REALLY who you ARE? Then you might say “I am a _____” and fill in the profession. Or a Wo/man? But how long would it take to really say WHO you are? To even KNOW who you are? I’m 63, soon 64, and still am not sure. Good question though.
Glad you are staying NC SHMS! Have a good week as well!
When I read through the posts on this blog I often want to acknowledge or comment in regards to what people say and in my head I do, even though it doesn’t always make it online. I wanted to say that so you all know how much I appreciate how much I am continually learning from reading about your experiences.
I was going to write a detailed account of recent ‘contact’ experiences with my ex to see if the LF community here would agree with me about what seems like manipulation and purposeful maneuvers to satisfy a ‘supply’ need. I guess there is a part of me that still resists that this person who I have loved so much could really be ’that bad’.
I didn’t have a chance to finish and post it yesterday and after resuming it today, I realized while describing what happened that a pattern emerged which is leaving little doubt and less need to share now for validation’s sake.
The bottom line – if you know certain information is likely to hurt or even just make someone else uncomfortable, if there is no legitimate reason to share it with that person, then those that are not narcissistic sociopaths do not intentionally do so.
It seems to me that doing so consciously proves there is an intent to hurt, test or control the other person and doing it unconsciously shows a complete disconnect and lack of empathy for how the other is likely to feel having the knowledge, especially when the other is someone who is known well and supposedly cared about, yet nonchalantly shown such disregard.
I doubt that I would have recognized what I think now have been recent power plays and a bit of scrambling to regain a source of supply from me if it wasn’t for finding this blog and all of you WONDERFUL people here who share your pain, your wisdom and your stories that all contain so much we each can relate to.
Right now my situation doesn’t allow me to go completely NC, but I’m actually more curious than fearful now about what will come next, just to see how predictable the pattern will continue to be and if it will further prove to me who he really is. With this knowledge I am finding it easier to care less about the man I actually know, versus the man I thought I knew.
My response to him has recently been and will continue to be as neutral as possible as I sort out what is true and what are lies.
I can see how incredibly important no contact is.
peace
Dear Jupiter,
Your above post is so well said!
Keep on reading, learning and applying the knowledge to your life. Knowledge = power. Take back your power, your control over your own life!
TOWANDA!!! and God bless!
Jupiter:
By looking back on our time we served with a spath, and making sense of all the crazy things we dismissed at the time, we see their patterns emerge.
Once we are aware of the patterns, we can identify the ‘current’ chaos they embark on…..or attempt with us.
It’s always hard when we can’t be NC completely. But in my opinion, it makes it much easier when we know what and how they operate.
If we can remover ourselves emotionally to NC, and keep this thought with all interactions…….this is helpful.
It sounds like you have come to this point. I congratulate you on this growth and education you’ve sought and ‘got’.
Curious will lead you to more education….I can so relate to this. I no longer live in fear but awareness.
It’s interesting to me now…..the behaviours and just how predictable the spath I’ve dealt with has been. Predicting him is something i’ve been able to do, which in turn, keeps me aware and safe……..for now.
Good luck going further into your future Jupiter…..you’ve got a good handle on the ‘game’.
XXOO
EB
Hey, EB, I just sent out a “where is EB post” and when I saw it come up, your post on this thread came up!!!!
Go read Jeannie’s post! It almost made me wet my knickers! TOOO FUNNY!
I’ve been at my rental this weekend…..my vacation home in the town I live in! Not much of a vacation for me! 🙂
I hosed down the siding and washed the windows….my summer tenent moved out this week…..and now I am interviewing winter folks.
It’s funny how spaths affect us………the business spath was a tenent. Now, I’ve got ultra spath radar and give NO inches.
If someone is late for an apt. by 7 minutes…..I leave…..I won’t wait.
I watch em like a hawk and don’t speak much……I LISTEN!
Spaths undermine our confidence with our own judgement.
I met a good prospective today. Seemingly nice family with a son. They were thrilled with the house and location. It’ll be great if they check out and can move in. I can check that off my list of things to do……..and it’ll be rented until my summer renter comes back. PERFECT! Along with the income! NICE! Bonus would be having a full time winter tenent…..and mamma won’t have to drag the kids over there to plow and shovel! BREAK!!!!
I’ve also been researching case law…..and legislative history on spaths case……got alot done.
I can’t believe all the knowledge I’ve gained on shiat I never wanted to know!
Thanks EB and Oxy! I do feel like my eyes are open a lot wider now!
Jupiter,
agreed with Oxy, you very succinctly stated why we are all here on LF. To learn the pattern. All these stories, help us get the pattern down, so that we can recognize it when or where ever it appears. It has so many shapes: in husbands, wives, parents, the bank teller, our government!
There have always been stories: biblical, mythological, and modern-day legends of vampires, witches, trolls and sociopaths. I soak up movies and books but I never put it together because it seemed to be just stories, fictional or things that happen to “other” people.
God! I had very little compassion for abused women, when I read newstories about them. I mean, why didn’t they just leave? right? I didn’t know that I WAS one, because he never hit me. The slow psychological torture and covert sabotage was my abuse. The last piece of the puzzle fell into place when I was sitting at a sushi bar and told a complete stranger my story. He, Greg, said, “OH, that’s a malignant narcissist.” A little online research later, a few books later and now here I am on LF.
NC is the dream, but they are everywhere and we have to be vigilent. Some of us don’t have that luxury, that’s why I think of exposure to them as small innoculations. booster shots, if you will. There are many legends and myths with that analogy of an innocent being exposed to evil in order to develop the strength to defeat it.
Jupiter, I’m so glad that you have turned the corner and look at this as interesting and with curiosity, rather than fear. Fear does not serve you, objective analysis will. Neutral response and Grey rock work because the sociopath thrives on drama and excitement. What they can’t stand is BEING BORED. It is utterly painful to them, just like abandonment is – I guess they are sort of the same thing. Greg was the first one to tell me this. He had a powerful woman attorney stalking him and he bored her out of his life. Don’t ever forget to be BORING.
If you run, the chase is on. If you attack, they will counter. Play dead. And yes, emotional NC is the key if you have to contact them.
I have a 3-D puzzle that I play with. It makes it impossible to be emotional when you are trying to solve the puzzle, your brain has to be analytical and focused. The puzzle exercises that part of your brain. When I’m having a hard time keeping the emotions out of control, I fidget with my puzzle. Works like a charm.
I love your name, Jupiter, the planet of good luck. I chose Skylar because it means: protection through knowledge. Couldn’t be more apt.
Dear EB,
I sold my rentals just after the RE boom started to bust, so got about 98% of the top price. If I had waited a few more months I would still be trying to rent the place. They were nice properties, but, BUT were starting to need some big ticket fix ups, like a roof on the bigger one. SOOO GLAD to be out from under them but do miss the income….but even rents are down here so would have been as much outgo as income I am afraid. Just glad not to be renting to dead beats anymore either.
I bet we could trade some spath-renters stories. I almost rented to a guy on the FBI wanted list–he was sooooo smooth! He ended up getting arrested about the time his deposit check bounced. LOL Even the nice car he was driving wasn’t his–belonged to the GF he was scamming.
One of many I interviewed or rented to over the 15 years, but my husband got the all time winner spath! LOL He was a push over more than I was! LOL
Your rental spath came my way last year. Same gig….drove a fancy new BMW with great rims…..the FBI called me too….the car wasn’t his, stolen…..after that was impounded, he went to Vegas with his call girl wifey and hoodwinked an employer, stole computers etc….got arrested, jumped bail, then bolted Vegas in a rented car….they never returned the car! Wifey was pulled over just before x-mas and arrested.
Jumped bail…..sued me…lost and now I’m tracking his movements waiting to pounce on employement checks or assets in leiu of my jjudgement.
I evicted them…..and stored alltheir belongings and followed the rental laws…..time passed , they never picked up their shiat….and then popped back up….and sued me and lost. that chapped his hide. Nose flare and all!
I gained their files, birth certs, passports etc…..even their computer I gave to the cops. I found out they had a computer at the local repair shop and had the cops sieze it. Turned out it was stolen from the vegas employers……they got it back. At least spath didn’t get it…..some good came out of it…..and it slowed spath down a minute, until he could steal another one from some other nice person.
ASSHOLE!
He’s also a fb bragger…..but much smarter than the ex spath.
He’s a business con……although through and through.
Every person I meet to rent, they are in the back of my mind.