When people realize that that they are involved with a sociopath, the standard advice from Lovefraud is that they should, as quickly as possible, cut the predator out of their lives. That means no phone calls, no e-mails, no texts, and certainly no in-person meetings. It means No Contact.
Of course, there are times when this is difficult, as when our reader works with the sociopath, or they have children together. In these cases, they need to implement No Contact as best they can. But let’s now talk about situations where it is possible to get rid of the person, such as in a dating relationship.
What is the best way to establish No Contact? Clearly, firmly and permanently.
The rules of No Contact
The book called The Gift of Fear, by Gavin de Becker, devotes several pages to the topic of rejecting an unwanted suitor, and these pages are among the most helpful of the entire book.
De Becker writes in the context of a woman who decides she doesn’t want to be involved with a man. Do not, the author says, try to “let him down easy.” Here’s what he writes:
One rule applies to all types of unwanted pursuit: Do not negotiate. Once a woman has made the decision that she doesn’t want a relationship with a particular man, it needs to be said one time, explicitly. Almost any contact after that rejection will be seen as negotiation ”¦ If you tell someone ten times that you don’t want to talk to him, you are talking to him—nine times more than you wanted to.
Here are more points that de Becker makes in the book:
- If you get 30 messages from a pursuer, and finally call him back to say, “stop calling,” he learns that after 30 attempts, he will get a response.
- If you make an excuse like, “I don’t want to be in a relationship right now,” the stalker assumes you will want to be in a relationship later, and keeps calling.
- If you say, “You’re a great guy, but I’m not the one for you,” the stalker thinks you’re just confused, and will come around in time.
- Never explain why you don’t want a relationship. If you give a reason, it gives him something to challenge.
- A nice or delicate rejection is often taken as affection.
“The way to stop contact is to stop contact,” de Becker says. “I suggest one explicit rejection and after that absolutely no contact. If you call the pursuer back, or agree to meet, or send him a note, or have somebody warn him off, you buy another six weeks of his unwanted pursuit.”
Giving in
What happens if you’re wishy-washy about No Contact? Not long ago, Lovefraud received the following letter from a reader who we’ll call “Lenore.”
I literally had to count the days that went by as I refused contact with him, and on day 120, I celebrated because I felt healed. Well, on day 121, he emailed me, and against my better judgment, I emailed him back. He told me he had been in therapy, he realized what he had done wrong, he was on medication.
I was cautious and wary, and decided, amidst warnings of concern from my friends and family, to perhaps work on a friendship again. We worked on being friends for a few weeks, and everything was great and fine. I felt in control of the situation.
Then his old behaviors started creeping in. He installed a GPS app on my phone so he could track my whereabouts. He began calling and texting incessantly, and flipping out if I didn’t answer right away. The verbal and psychological abuse had begun again. Fortunately, this time it did not escalate to physical abuse. He began lying again, gaslighting and acting erratically, and began seeing other women on the side. Last night, it once again became too much and I told him not to contact me again because my heart and my spirit couldn’t take any more pain, and his inconsistency is so bad for my son.
So today begins Day One again without him. I am writing you today to tell you that your no contact advice was the best advice I didn’t take. For 120 days I went without him. It took a while, but by day 90 I was happy and free and at peace. Now I am back to square one.
No Contact is the path to healing from an entanglement with a sociopath. The stronger you can be about No Contact, the faster you will recover.
Fleeced Ewe,
Luckily I don’t have children with a Spath, but I’m guessing that you mean that the FCC and the psychs go under the often erroneous assumption that both parents are two healthy and whole individuals.
Hopeful6596~
Dear Hopeful,
I’m not even sure my egg donor is a “full blown” P but she is a TOXIC enabler that is for sure, and she will do whatever it takes to protect my P-son from the consequences of his murdering behavior, including hiring an attorney to try to get him out of prison, funneling him money in prison and for his “life outside” of prison.
Even knowing that me (her only child) and her only other grandkids my son C and adopted son D will not speak to her any more, she does it anyway. She lies to me and others, while pretending to be an “upstanding” christian woman. So she has some SERIOUS problems and issues if she isn’t a psychopath. My sperm donor is a FULL BLOWN score 40 on a PCL-R psychopath (top score, multiple murders, crimes etc) and my P son is a 38, but loses 2 points because he hasn’t had “multiple short term relationships” or marriages because he’s been in prison almost exclusively since age 17. LOL
Yep, I was born into two families full of them. My egg donor’s brother, I call him Uncle Monster, would have and should have been in prison for child abuse and wife abuse if he hadn’t been protected by the family sweeping it under the rug. But that is what was done in those days unless someone was killed. Sweep it under the table. kEep it quiet. Don’t let the neighbors know. Generation after generation.
Well, it stops with me. I outed the family secrets, the family dirt! Ran it up the flag pole for the world to see! So, my egg donor as the remaining family enabler punished me for that! Oh, well…I’m still glad I did it. I would do it again, only sooner. Unfortunately it took me 3/4 of my expected life span to accomplish that, so I wasted a lot of tiime, energy and tears that could have been spent more productively. But, can’t change the past, only the future! So…onward and upward! Make the rest of my life happy and healthy! and P-FREE!
This article is so spot on – any communication with them is a chance for manipulation and more abuse in the future.
When I first said I wanted out, he made me feel so bad for wanting to be away from him and did an Academy award worthy performance of sorrow, grief and depression. I didn’t know about sociopathy back then so wasn’t wise to the manipulations – it’s only in hindsight we can see what was actually going on.
Feeling sorry for the ‘pain’ he was displaying (that I had of course been the cause of) cost me another two years of my life to his mind games and abuses. It escalated as he tried to trap me so I had no hope of ever leaving.
If you think you want out then RUN and don’t look back. Yes it’s hard, but nothing is harder than having your head messed with by a sociopath. Life is so much sweeter away from their craziness – and you will see that THEY were the problem – not YOU.
Dear Oxy,
P-FREE!! That sounds like a plan to me! Count your lucky stars that you didn’t inherit any of that stuff from your family. I am certainly very lucky! I’m the oldest of 3, but me and my two brothers are very close in age. My middle brother is definitely narcissistic. Lives in Hawaii and spent a year in jail for violating restraining orders against women. We’ll never know the full story since we can only count on what he says. My youngest brother (age 41) is a sweetheart and far less damaged than the other, but still has his problems. My mother has made him her lap dog and she is totally enmeshed in his life. No boundaries. Since I’ve been NC with her, he even moved back and lives in the basement apartment. So sad, but there is nothing I can do. The more I say, the more it spurs him to defend her, even though he knows how manipulative she is.
Like you, I’m the one in the family that put a stop to it, and got all sorts of flack. Family is just a word to me. I have closed friends who have treated me far better. And even if it has taken you 3/4 of your life span to accomplish, accomplish it you have!
hopeful6596~
Oxy,
As USUAL you are bang on. We love what we want them to be, but not what they truly are. But sometimes I find when I beat myself up for stilling “loving him”….or loving the illusion….or whatever, it’s just EASIER to say, “Ok, so I’ll love him forever. But so what?” The ONLY answer is that I HAVE to get ON with my life. Shattered, hollow and sad as it is. There IS no OTHER choice.
Dear Hopeful,
I’ve been there on the not acknowledging front. I was with the guy for EIGHT FUCKING YEARS and he portrayed me as a “crazy stalker who followed him pathetically around the country with my kid in tow” and he felt “sorry” for me and “couldn’t get rid of me.”. God it killed me when I learned that. I was ALWAYS kept in the shadows. Downplayed. But on my end, my whole world was a day filled with thinking of him, him, him. What did I need to do that day to make him happy….I won’t bother to list off the things I did to show how “thoughtful” I was of him and how much I cared. ALWAYS punctuated by an ever so willing spirit who said goodnight with a solid roll in the hay. Oh Brother!
And guess WHAT, for me it’s Day 1 too! You don’t want to KNOW how many day 1s I’ve had! I’m around your age….a bit older…..I feel your pain and I am so glad I could give you some kind of comfort and a few sound pieces of advise. It’s just good to have all the artillery, even if we don’t know how to use the ammunition yet. Just keep stoking your arsenal with all the weapons to fight off the energy sucking madness and just keeping doing it EACH day. The challenge is like dieting. You can be “good” ALL frickin’ day and then you have a breakdown, eat 2000 calories of crap and ALL the bloody work you’ve done ALL DAY is SHOT!
Sigh. Anyhow the good news about being back to square one for the 200th time is that I know I can get to square 196. It reminds me of a game that was really popular when I was a kid. It was called Labyrinth. It was a wooden box with a sort of maze with holes in it. You had these two knobs that controlled a ball that you worked through the maze and tried like hell not to let it fall in one the holes. God sometimes you make it SO close to the end and the damn ball would drop and you’d have to start, with such concentration, all over again. Then you got to the point where you could make it through all the way to the end. You’d try it again and you’d make it through AGAIN. You’d try a third time and the damn ball goes into a hole again.!WHY if you could do it BEFORE did you screw up THIS time? Just a slip up…and back we go to try again.
And so, here we all are, trying, trying, trying. We just HAVE to cut ourselves SOME frickin’ slack when the ball drops and remind ourselves how MANY holes we did maneuver around and how MANY times we managed to make it to the end. The game never ends. The name of the game is to just KEEP TRYING. But ONE rule! No contact. I know it, with all my “wisdom”, I know it. But it’s the biggest God Damn hole, in the toughest spot, on the blasted board game!
Peace Sister.
Dear Callista AND Hopeful,
YOU GUYS CAN DO IT!!!!!
BTW Callista I have one of those games, I’ve kept it all these years! I love it!!!
When you think about breaking NC come here and post or read. There is almost always someone here to post back, since we are scattered all over the world in different time zones. And there is ALWAYS something to read. I’ve gone back through the archives and I thought I had read every article here but every once in a while someone brings one up I missed. YOU can do it!!!! CAN DO IT!!!!
When I went NC with my egg donor I thought I would DIE. I didn’t realize I could “divorce” my mother—but I DID and it hurt like hell, but you know, knowing she didn’t and really hadn’t ever truly loved me, nurtured me, etc. made it easier and eventually I got to where the pain isn’t raw any more. I can drive by her house without crying (I have to to get out on to the road)
If I remember her, I remember the look of utter contempt she gave me that bored through my soul like a toxic laser beam. That burned like fire! I don’t remember the “imaginary mother” that I had envisioned, that I thought loved me, that said she loved me while she stabbed me in the back. Who lied to me.
So when you think about him, PICTURE THAT MAN THAT IS REAL, not the imaginary knight in shining armor you made up.
I had an imaginary friend (actually two of them) when I was a kid and we lived so far out I didn’t have any playmates close, and those imaginary friends are more REAL than the “friends and family” who are psychopaths. At least my imaginary friends didn’t hurt me!
Peace to you both! (((hugs))))
As I was sitting here wonder what I did wrong and HOW could he hurt us so badly (even though I have asked him a million times) I was temped to ask again. I read the blogs on line and realize I am not alone. I am not the only one who feels such pain, such humiliation and confusion. I realize I am not the only one with a child who he doesn’t even call. Was I tempted to ask him How could you do that to us? Yes But I have asked him that for years and am in a worse spot now than I was 14 years ago. Thank you all. NC is hard its like quitting an awful drug but all along I thought there was something wrong with me and my son and tried to jump through hoops to make him happy. To be a happy family. I guess I am fortunate that he blew our son off for 14 years as MY son is kind and he does not lie. He has morals and values and that’s all that matters. As I read these posts I realize that I am not the only one out there that this happened to and its not me and certainly not my son. Its very hard to move on and why I dont know because the person I loved does not exist and now I understand what you were telling me months ago.
Thank you all and God bless
To all the above…….I think the fact that we have so much trouble with NC sometimes is that we are NORMAL. We want to believe that people love us back, that they mean what they say, that they are always there for us…..but with a Spath….it’s all an illusion. For you newbies…..I have Spath bio daughter and step daughter…..this is always so weird to me that they BOTH could be…..but when I started reading everything about “them” and it didn’t just dawn on me…it was like being hit with a brick right in the face….and looking at mine and my husband’s X’s (their bio parents) it is so clear… that’s what they were as well!! They were not even around them and they are just like them! Genetics are a CRAZY thing! They are everywhere and they look just like us….but the signs are there and now I can spot one a mile away….I am so thankful for that insight…I wish so much that I could show you all a side by side photograph of 2 of my step grandkids….they are full sisters. They are standing there together smiling. If you covered every part of the picture except their eyes…..not a one of you would have any doubt which one is a budding Spath!! One sister has it and one sister does not….same parents…….and they are just little tiny girls, but the one that is……..well, it was obvious almost from birth………that still makes my skin crawl….and I have to pretend like she’s normal…………I so often wonder what life would be like if we truely could eliminate every single one of them from our lives? Is that even possible? So much suffering on this blog……..so much wasted time…..I extend love and comfort to each and everyone of you…..you are NEVER alone…it is no accident that any of us found this blog…..what a Godsend it has been for me…..I really can feel the strength I get from you all…..God Bless
DEar Confused1,
Yes, it is difficult and learning about them is the start of healing, but then learning about ourselves is the rest of the healing journey. Stay around and read and learn and heal. It won’t be quick, I can tell you that and there will be up days and down days, but I am glad that your P has left your son alone. GOOD!!! God has blessed your son!
Dear Creampuff, glad you are still here as well. Hope you are doing well as can be expected. As far as eliminating them from my life, I haven’t eliminated them from the earth but they are OUT of my life! ONE AND DONE! No second chances!
creampuff,
you’re right! Even the reason we are here on this site is because we are NORMAL. The genetics part really is interesting, if you can separate yourself and just look at it “clinically” or as an observer. But hard to do when it’s your family, I know. Glad you found this site, and yes, you can find all the support you need. I extend love and comfort back to you.
Hopeful6596~