When people realize that that they are involved with a sociopath, the standard advice from Lovefraud is that they should, as quickly as possible, cut the predator out of their lives. That means no phone calls, no e-mails, no texts, and certainly no in-person meetings. It means No Contact.
Of course, there are times when this is difficult, as when our reader works with the sociopath, or they have children together. In these cases, they need to implement No Contact as best they can. But let’s now talk about situations where it is possible to get rid of the person, such as in a dating relationship.
What is the best way to establish No Contact? Clearly, firmly and permanently.
The rules of No Contact
The book called The Gift of Fear, by Gavin de Becker, devotes several pages to the topic of rejecting an unwanted suitor, and these pages are among the most helpful of the entire book.
De Becker writes in the context of a woman who decides she doesn’t want to be involved with a man. Do not, the author says, try to “let him down easy.” Here’s what he writes:
One rule applies to all types of unwanted pursuit: Do not negotiate. Once a woman has made the decision that she doesn’t want a relationship with a particular man, it needs to be said one time, explicitly. Almost any contact after that rejection will be seen as negotiation ”¦ If you tell someone ten times that you don’t want to talk to him, you are talking to him—nine times more than you wanted to.
Here are more points that de Becker makes in the book:
- If you get 30 messages from a pursuer, and finally call him back to say, “stop calling,” he learns that after 30 attempts, he will get a response.
- If you make an excuse like, “I don’t want to be in a relationship right now,” the stalker assumes you will want to be in a relationship later, and keeps calling.
- If you say, “You’re a great guy, but I’m not the one for you,” the stalker thinks you’re just confused, and will come around in time.
- Never explain why you don’t want a relationship. If you give a reason, it gives him something to challenge.
- A nice or delicate rejection is often taken as affection.
“The way to stop contact is to stop contact,” de Becker says. “I suggest one explicit rejection and after that absolutely no contact. If you call the pursuer back, or agree to meet, or send him a note, or have somebody warn him off, you buy another six weeks of his unwanted pursuit.”
Giving in
What happens if you’re wishy-washy about No Contact? Not long ago, Lovefraud received the following letter from a reader who we’ll call “Lenore.”
I literally had to count the days that went by as I refused contact with him, and on day 120, I celebrated because I felt healed. Well, on day 121, he emailed me, and against my better judgment, I emailed him back. He told me he had been in therapy, he realized what he had done wrong, he was on medication.
I was cautious and wary, and decided, amidst warnings of concern from my friends and family, to perhaps work on a friendship again. We worked on being friends for a few weeks, and everything was great and fine. I felt in control of the situation.
Then his old behaviors started creeping in. He installed a GPS app on my phone so he could track my whereabouts. He began calling and texting incessantly, and flipping out if I didn’t answer right away. The verbal and psychological abuse had begun again. Fortunately, this time it did not escalate to physical abuse. He began lying again, gaslighting and acting erratically, and began seeing other women on the side. Last night, it once again became too much and I told him not to contact me again because my heart and my spirit couldn’t take any more pain, and his inconsistency is so bad for my son.
So today begins Day One again without him. I am writing you today to tell you that your no contact advice was the best advice I didn’t take. For 120 days I went without him. It took a while, but by day 90 I was happy and free and at peace. Now I am back to square one.
No Contact is the path to healing from an entanglement with a sociopath. The stronger you can be about No Contact, the faster you will recover.
Thanks for all the feedback.
I do like the “potted plant” approach but the problem is, its not me.
I thought about this a bit more and realized that wishing for something to happen “superficial” is simply sinking to his level. Besides, that was never an issue anyway.
I am going with the practical solution. The Saturday show is travel wise a pain for me — subway, train, bus. 90 minutes in transit. Sunday — subway, 30 minutes in transit. I am not working Monday so that is not an issue.
I am not vulnerable to his charm. I am still vulnerable to his pity-play. If he saw me and decided to “come clean,” that would be a problem.
If mine showed up at the door with a “come clean” story, I’d be in trouble too. We should all be put on an island for our own protection! LOL
Peace Sisters
Let THEM be put on an island 🙂
When I get this way, gals, I envision his funeral. It really works. In my mind, I walk up after everyone (WHO? he has NO ONE, but mistresses) is gone and I give a good spit on a grave.
OK so I have issues. But, it helps 🙂 No island for me. It is MY land 😉
Still, I’d go on a Sunday 😉
Nope THEY should be in PRISON and WE should be on an island, so we can all be together to help each other recover from this insanity.
I watched Tyler Perry on Oprah talk about his childhood abuse. His father mentally and physically abused him terribly and when told about about the interview and that fact that Tyler was going to talk about the abuse at the hands of his father, his father said, “A few more beatings and you would have been OBAMA.” Meaning that he was trying to take CREDIT for Tyler’s success.
When I found out about the spath taking kids to drug house for a week…..telling them If you ever tell your mother, it will be the end of our family.
The FIRST opportunity to boot his ass….I booked him a one way ticket to the tropics. (He had said he wanted to go on vacation alone).
I never told him what i knew…..I didn’t want to throw my kids under the bus…..
I handed him his immediately booked one way tix and when he asked me, how long am I going……I said….YOUR NOT COMING BACK.
He said….Oh, Eb, I just wanted to go on vacation.
I said….Yeah, I heard ya…..trouble is…..your a lier, a cheat and a shitty husband and father…..and after 28 years I”M DONE.
I then gave him an opportunity to ‘come clean’……he wanted to know what I knew before he came clean……
Uh…..NO DEAL…..
I said, the problem lays with you…….you just don’t know WHAT lie I know……and your not willing to reveal all of them…..for 28 years……you just want to come clean and ‘explain’ your way out of this one. NO CAN DO!
He ‘loved’ me so much…..I don’t want to lose you….blah, blah…..
But…..those words NO longer mattered. what he did went beyond counseling…..it was a deep character flaw…..it was HIM. I finally saw colors in my black and white world.
Who takes their kids to a drug house? Teaches them about grooming pot plants, grafting, clipping, feeding, watering, plucking, different ‘type’ of buds and how the different highs are……and then feeds them the leaves (telling them when they asked, it’s not the drug unless it’s dried) they clipped that day as a salad with ranch dressing? WHO DOES THAT!
Laughing at their reactions to being drugged by their father and his cronnies. Like a dog at a frat house. Blowing smoke in the dogs face and laughing when it falls down.
So…..I guess in a way i was fortunate……I gave him the opportunity to come clean…..and it was obviously way too overwhelming for him. there was NO WAY he would reveal anything he wasn’t sure I didn’t already know.
This told me he held deeper secrets than I would be willing to deal with. And he knew this. and He didn’t want to lose his supply…..so he kept quiet. he thoguht he could talk me ‘down’ with the I love you’s.
I think now…..if I ever ran into him……he might run the other way. 🙂
behindblueeyes,
don’t have much time,
my point of view is: you need to look at this weekend objectively with, “what is your objective?”
to have a good time, right? Don’t do anything that could ruin it, including thinking (in the back of your mind, no matter how remotely) that you might run into him. go sunday.
that said, if you ever do run into him, go gray rock – be boring, no emotion.
Don’t let him control your life, but also be honest with yourself about whether the idea of running into him will affect your objective to have a good time or not. It may be too soon to play the tough guy. Only you know YOU.
Here’s a lame analogy: It’s like deciding what to wear. If wearing that really slinky outfit which makes you look great, to an outdoor winter event will make you too miserably cold to enjoy yourself then what’s the point? Be honest and don’t forget to take All of your emotions into account when making choices. Emotions are real too.
StillHaveMySoul,
I watched the Oprah show too, seeing Tyler Perry on it. Typically, I don’t watch much t.v., but I like this man, having much respect for him. Listening to him talk about his childhood, there were times that I wept for him, hating all of his abusers. At the end of the show, I thought to myself, it sounds like his dad could be a spath. Tyler Perry’s life story is interesting – he took his adversity (the pain inflicted upon him by others) and worked on himself, turning himself into an outstanding human being.
Oxdrover, I love what you said.
“He has since remarried, and I am not the least bit jealous of that woman because I know he is treating her like he treated his first wife, like he treated his other girlfriends, and like he treated me.”
This is the ONE thing I think it is important to remember, at least for me. There can be NO repairing or salvaging these relationships because it’s not about US, its about THE SPATH and it’s the WAY THEY ARE.
They treat everybody the same.
It took me forever to understand that. I kept thinking I could fix it, I didn’t realize he treated everybody the same way, that it wasn’t about me.
I think you achieved WISDOM way before me.
D
Dear Superkid10,
I’m working on “wisdom” but still a long way to go! LOL But thanks, I do know that he will never be faithful to any woman and he will be abusive to her emotionally (and maybe physically) the way he was his first wife—If anything I feel sorry for the woman because I know how he had ME fooled and she is only setting herself up for tears and pain and grief. He’s not worth it, but she will have to learn that on her own!
I’m glad that you are learning it though, Kid, it is one of the things we have to learn for ourselves and it DOES help us heal I think to finally get it through our heads!
StillHaveMySoul:
This evening I was looking for a photograph and found one of the x-spath. I thought I deleted them all.
It was a picture of him taken on the afternoon of our first real date. We met a couple days before, but both time I was out with him and his friends. It always struck me how sad he looks in that picture. Now I know why.
That is why I can’t be around him. Even though he hurt me, my empathy toward him is too great.