When people realize that that they are involved with a sociopath, the standard advice from Lovefraud is that they should, as quickly as possible, cut the predator out of their lives. That means no phone calls, no e-mails, no texts, and certainly no in-person meetings. It means No Contact.
Of course, there are times when this is difficult, as when our reader works with the sociopath, or they have children together. In these cases, they need to implement No Contact as best they can. But let’s now talk about situations where it is possible to get rid of the person, such as in a dating relationship.
What is the best way to establish No Contact? Clearly, firmly and permanently.
The rules of No Contact
The book called The Gift of Fear, by Gavin de Becker, devotes several pages to the topic of rejecting an unwanted suitor, and these pages are among the most helpful of the entire book.
De Becker writes in the context of a woman who decides she doesn’t want to be involved with a man. Do not, the author says, try to “let him down easy.” Here’s what he writes:
One rule applies to all types of unwanted pursuit: Do not negotiate. Once a woman has made the decision that she doesn’t want a relationship with a particular man, it needs to be said one time, explicitly. Almost any contact after that rejection will be seen as negotiation ”¦ If you tell someone ten times that you don’t want to talk to him, you are talking to him—nine times more than you wanted to.
Here are more points that de Becker makes in the book:
- If you get 30 messages from a pursuer, and finally call him back to say, “stop calling,” he learns that after 30 attempts, he will get a response.
- If you make an excuse like, “I don’t want to be in a relationship right now,” the stalker assumes you will want to be in a relationship later, and keeps calling.
- If you say, “You’re a great guy, but I’m not the one for you,” the stalker thinks you’re just confused, and will come around in time.
- Never explain why you don’t want a relationship. If you give a reason, it gives him something to challenge.
- A nice or delicate rejection is often taken as affection.
“The way to stop contact is to stop contact,” de Becker says. “I suggest one explicit rejection and after that absolutely no contact. If you call the pursuer back, or agree to meet, or send him a note, or have somebody warn him off, you buy another six weeks of his unwanted pursuit.”
Giving in
What happens if you’re wishy-washy about No Contact? Not long ago, Lovefraud received the following letter from a reader who we’ll call “Lenore.”
I literally had to count the days that went by as I refused contact with him, and on day 120, I celebrated because I felt healed. Well, on day 121, he emailed me, and against my better judgment, I emailed him back. He told me he had been in therapy, he realized what he had done wrong, he was on medication.
I was cautious and wary, and decided, amidst warnings of concern from my friends and family, to perhaps work on a friendship again. We worked on being friends for a few weeks, and everything was great and fine. I felt in control of the situation.
Then his old behaviors started creeping in. He installed a GPS app on my phone so he could track my whereabouts. He began calling and texting incessantly, and flipping out if I didn’t answer right away. The verbal and psychological abuse had begun again. Fortunately, this time it did not escalate to physical abuse. He began lying again, gaslighting and acting erratically, and began seeing other women on the side. Last night, it once again became too much and I told him not to contact me again because my heart and my spirit couldn’t take any more pain, and his inconsistency is so bad for my son.
So today begins Day One again without him. I am writing you today to tell you that your no contact advice was the best advice I didn’t take. For 120 days I went without him. It took a while, but by day 90 I was happy and free and at peace. Now I am back to square one.
No Contact is the path to healing from an entanglement with a sociopath. The stronger you can be about No Contact, the faster you will recover.
Dear Delta x1,
Thank you for your expertise, I really appreciate your input. He is a former alcholic and he had problems with the law in his violent days….he often boasted about his “past life”, and actually made the bottle, sound like his long lost friend. Never thought about it much then, but now I do. He always was full of anger, from one minute to the next it would subside. Crazy.
He put holes through walls, kids still want me to leave the holes in the wall, my daughter says “leave the holes, so people believe us”. Too bad the world is not aware of the sick people…4% of the population they say…awful. So now I have an addict ex spath, who is living with an addict. They say they console each other. A volcano waiting to errupt and I am part of the fallout.
When I called the police when he hit me, before he left, the police actually thought I was crazy,my adrenaline was so high, because I could not believe he would do that. They actually came back after talking to him (he had left the house) and said that he seemed like a nice guy….these were two female officers, they looked at me like I was crazy. They said I seemed fine….I could not even feel my pain or buises till after a awhile, after I started to calm down, then I had to go to the hospital. It was awful. So this is the type of guy I am dealing with…crazy with anger, and who knows…..but after 1 1/2 years I thought he was done !!!
Dear LAdy,
BE VERY CAUTIOUS! I think you already know that though. I would get a monitored alarm co if you can afford it and/or cameras and recorders. Your son could probably install them.
Yes, they do not care about their children. Hopefully, your kids will be left alone now that he has Murdered their pictures and the picture of the dog. He is obviously viscious.
I hope you can help your son and daughter to let go of their anger/rage toward this cockroach–and that is a good description of him. He sounds like my egg donor’s brother, my Uncle Monster. You also might take your kids and go to Al-ateen it might help them to have some peer support. God bless and stay safe! (((hugs)))
Hi Survivor Lady
Still lots of questions would need to be answered by ‘the appropriate service’ in your area/city. I can’t possibly give ‘answers’ about it all comprehensively on a web blog with partial information, things I would be considering:
-Treatment for alcoholism/substance misuse or not – & how is this prooved
-Receiving a service from Probation? Any legal treatment orders in place ie for drink-driving or other violent offences. Probation Services offender profile. Is your ex likely to ‘go back to jail’ – any time soon in upcoming criminal or civil proceedings? Great protection if so.
-Security of your home and whether perpetrator or accomplice has access
-Attitude and awareness of your local community police team to protecting your family
-Does he know where the children go to school
-Are the school aware of concerns/able/willing to act protectively if perpetrator show up there.
-Competancies/characteristic and resilience of your kids to ‘fending perpetrator off’ should he turn up unexpectedly.
-Support available eg from domestic abuse support services/therapy/groups for kids and for yourself as a victim of abuse
-Access to weapons/firearms of your ex
-Willingness and participation in ‘offenders DV programme’ (I’m not personally much a fan – but it’s a legal ‘jump through hoops’ requirement to consider.
You need more advise that takes into account the legal aspect of your local area. People always think of the police in a protection role- however the police want to prosecute crimes that have already been committed or prevent ‘actually occuring crime’ – they’re not so hot on ‘prevention’ due to the sheer prevalence and scale and commitment of resources that would be required- this is more the province (again depending on resources) of CP teams , police specialist DV teams (if they exist in your area) or specialist non-police domestic abuse services.
If you consider yourself – or are considered by DV services, police or CP services to be at ‘high risk’ – can you just ‘move away’ (with Court permission). If your children are 14 (son) and daughter 18? – (did I get this right?) in the UK at least no Court in the land would ‘force’ them to have contact with a parent they do not want to see.
Sorry to be nit-picky – but maybe just some things to quietly establish and consider – and some ideas about the way CP workers ‘think’.
Good Luck
Delta 1
Ps – With the proviso that I don’t know anything about your neighbours and particular circumstances: I would alway be a bit ‘cautious’ about relying on neighbours in getting together a robust ‘protection plan’. Individuals have their own agendas, make promises their not accountable for and are inexperienced and vulnerable in the face of violence/intimidation/seductionj- or other reasons for being involved which are not immediately apparent to you.
Some communities are wonderful – other’s less so! Better to rely on your own concrete plans if you can – and stick within the law if possible.
Delta 1
once a cat has stepped on a hot stove, you can’t get him on a cold one.
Ox Drover,
You gotta patent these one-liners! You could write a book of them, and even if the book is short…..it still sells!!
I have a friend who sells her stories, and she advertises the stories are short enough to read on the john.
Thanks Ox-Drover for making me feel better tonight. I was really out of sorts. My daughter is still chasing me down about getting certain student loans discharged. She wrote that she won’t speak to me if I don’t.
I feel so angry that she would say that! Her dad didn’t co-sign for ANY of her student loans, and her family picture in her profile is of him! NOT me!
I got dirty business to tend to . BRB
Dear Jeannie,
When people make “treats” not to “speak to me” unless I do X, Y or Z—then I guess we will not be speaking, will we?
So what is the UP side of her speaking to you? Making more threats unless you do things her way?
What do you mean “student loans discharged”? Whose loans? Are you supposed to accept responsibility for HER school loans? How old is she? Is her arm broken? What makes her think YOU are responsible for her school loans (after high school, she is an adult, you don’t OWE her anything, and anything you DO DO is a “gift” not an OBLIGATION.
Let her discharge her own loans. I did. My kids did. I worked my way through college and with scholarships. I bought my own first and all subsequent cars. Ii am responsible for myself.
I think you would be doing your daughter a great favor if you let her LEARN TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR HERSELF by paying her own school obligations.
Ox Drover The student loans became mine when I consoldated them.
I didn’t know what I was stepping into. I thought I had to. It was all over the TV, you must consolidate your government student loans by July!
I thought it was a new law. ( for some stupid reason.)
So these loans are mine. I am co-signer on some loans but same thing. It’s mine if it doesn’t get paid.
My daughter sent me another bully email tonight. I deleted my facebook account.
Jeannie
Good for you, Jeannie! My spathD “unfriended” me a year ago from her FB page. Did me a favour really as I cant look her up, and get tormented again.
Dont give in to her emotional blackmail, because that is what it is.
Cant her dad pay some of her student fees?Or cant she get a part grant from the Govt.?
You are better off without this bitch in your life, trust me.
Love,GemXX
Yeah, I am better off. Thank you Gem.