When people realize that that they are involved with a sociopath, the standard advice from Lovefraud is that they should, as quickly as possible, cut the predator out of their lives. That means no phone calls, no e-mails, no texts, and certainly no in-person meetings. It means No Contact.
Of course, there are times when this is difficult, as when our reader works with the sociopath, or they have children together. In these cases, they need to implement No Contact as best they can. But let’s now talk about situations where it is possible to get rid of the person, such as in a dating relationship.
What is the best way to establish No Contact? Clearly, firmly and permanently.
The rules of No Contact
The book called The Gift of Fear, by Gavin de Becker, devotes several pages to the topic of rejecting an unwanted suitor, and these pages are among the most helpful of the entire book.
De Becker writes in the context of a woman who decides she doesn’t want to be involved with a man. Do not, the author says, try to “let him down easy.” Here’s what he writes:
One rule applies to all types of unwanted pursuit: Do not negotiate. Once a woman has made the decision that she doesn’t want a relationship with a particular man, it needs to be said one time, explicitly. Almost any contact after that rejection will be seen as negotiation ”¦ If you tell someone ten times that you don’t want to talk to him, you are talking to him—nine times more than you wanted to.
Here are more points that de Becker makes in the book:
- If you get 30 messages from a pursuer, and finally call him back to say, “stop calling,” he learns that after 30 attempts, he will get a response.
- If you make an excuse like, “I don’t want to be in a relationship right now,” the stalker assumes you will want to be in a relationship later, and keeps calling.
- If you say, “You’re a great guy, but I’m not the one for you,” the stalker thinks you’re just confused, and will come around in time.
- Never explain why you don’t want a relationship. If you give a reason, it gives him something to challenge.
- A nice or delicate rejection is often taken as affection.
“The way to stop contact is to stop contact,” de Becker says. “I suggest one explicit rejection and after that absolutely no contact. If you call the pursuer back, or agree to meet, or send him a note, or have somebody warn him off, you buy another six weeks of his unwanted pursuit.”
Giving in
What happens if you’re wishy-washy about No Contact? Not long ago, Lovefraud received the following letter from a reader who we’ll call “Lenore.”
I literally had to count the days that went by as I refused contact with him, and on day 120, I celebrated because I felt healed. Well, on day 121, he emailed me, and against my better judgment, I emailed him back. He told me he had been in therapy, he realized what he had done wrong, he was on medication.
I was cautious and wary, and decided, amidst warnings of concern from my friends and family, to perhaps work on a friendship again. We worked on being friends for a few weeks, and everything was great and fine. I felt in control of the situation.
Then his old behaviors started creeping in. He installed a GPS app on my phone so he could track my whereabouts. He began calling and texting incessantly, and flipping out if I didn’t answer right away. The verbal and psychological abuse had begun again. Fortunately, this time it did not escalate to physical abuse. He began lying again, gaslighting and acting erratically, and began seeing other women on the side. Last night, it once again became too much and I told him not to contact me again because my heart and my spirit couldn’t take any more pain, and his inconsistency is so bad for my son.
So today begins Day One again without him. I am writing you today to tell you that your no contact advice was the best advice I didn’t take. For 120 days I went without him. It took a while, but by day 90 I was happy and free and at peace. Now I am back to square one.
No Contact is the path to healing from an entanglement with a sociopath. The stronger you can be about No Contact, the faster you will recover.
Hi All.
Along the lines of the comments above.
Recommended reading:
Deceived, (Facing Sexual Betrayal, Lies & Secrets) by Claudia Black
Congrat’s Oxy on losing 18 pounds..thats is alot ,,and on your smoking – that is HUGE..yes I am prolly depressed, but my ‘vision’ eye sight, is the root of that depression right now..I do have bout’s of situational depression, change is the only pill for that..so if I am still whining after my eye surgery in a month or so tell me then and I will go get me some happy pill’s..but your post is right on Oxy..I dont want to meet a new partner as much as a new friend, I need that change also…
Onestep..thanx for the insight and how are you feeling? you sound gooder too me…
Whyme – I understand about seeing them together being too much..just don’t do it…fight that urge..avoid that at all cost…early after i kicked the x out he sent me blank envelope with his new address on it – I avoided looking at the address so it would not imprint on my mind, i burned it…at that time I could not trust myself enough to not become a stalker..so i could give a ratz azz where he lives..I can avoid that..it’s the club scene I have to stop avoiding because that is the only way i am gonna meet anybody..it sure aint happening online…….
I should note, that this book (Deceived) is NOT written about sociopaths. Not all men who have affairs are sociopaths. BUT there are some GREAT insights that pertain to our situation. I found it REALLY helpful.
Peace all.
blank envelope? duh ~! I meant empty envelope
One thing mentioned in the book Deceived that I’ve never heard of, but LOVED the idea, is a God Box.
Rather than thinking about “when is this going to stop”, or whatever thoughts are plaguing you…Start a God box. Write whatever your concern is on a piece of paper and then put it in the box, as a way to demonstrate turning things over to the universe.
Peace Sisters
Why Me
I am going to say to you what I would say to my children when they start belly aching—–whata gonna do about it? Make a plan, you can’t eat an elephant in one sitting but you can cut it up, freeze it and live off of it for a long long time, the diet might not be good but at least it will keep you alive.
You did not pray your future to another woman, remember she will suffer the same fate that you have. Pray for her, Pray on your knees that she comes to her senses sooner than later. Pity her for what she will soon suffer. She is not the one that destroyed your essense.Pray that God in his mercy will heal you and make you the whole person that you already are but can not see. I will pray with you.
OneStep,
I didn’t think he was sociopathic….didn’t have SP traits….I just thot he was a creep…..just a plain ol regular creep of a guy. Just a confused guy in a late mid-life crisis. (probly Uranus square Uranus transiting at 58.) Not every man w/ a late mid-life crisis who briefly cheats on his wife (esp w/ his ex-wife!) is a sociopath. If anyone was SP, it would’ve been his young wife, who was with him, left him, had someone else’s kid & then went back to suck off the wealthy atty. She certainly didn’t respect him!
My first husband (who I divorced at 21, 45 yrs ago) told me in front of his&her son that he’d never stopped loving me & would try to marry me again if it weren’t for his “responsibilities”—& that was 18 yrs ago!! And he’s a PHD Psychologist. And yeah, he’s just a creep, too. Always was. That’s why I divorced him at 21. (we got married at 17.)
LOL! What a funny conversation! I wonder what other people thot of Baldwin’s character…….anyone?? Of course, Steve Martin played the most sane of the bunch, other than the kids!
SeeingClearly,
I can appreciate what you say….in fact that’s what I said: that I know my crap attitude is a crap attitude, & dam right I’m feeling sorry for myself, & I’m depressed, & I’m not thinking straight.
But I Know What Thinking Straight Is. Which is what my therapist assures me is true: “The fact that you don’t like the way you’re thinking about things & that you know the better way to think means that you haven’t given into negativity. You’re expressing negativity, but you realize that it’s that & you want to correct it. You’re *DEPRESSED*, but you know it & are trying to work your way out of it.”
That’s WHY I come to LF: to express what’s going on with me, & to talk about the bullshit I’m putting myself thru, & to listen to what others say about their own bullshit & obstacles & victories & bump-a-bump toward positivity & wholeness. And, yeah, to hear the responses to what I’m expressing & to hope to find a relevant way to respond to what others are going thru. The same things I talk to my therapist about. LF is my at-home therapy that gets me thru til my next therapist apptmnt.
I haven’t been here as long as Oxy or some of the others who’re able to give great, hard-won advice, but I can empathize & sympathize even tho I haven’t gotten thru all my bullshit yet….I DO have a hard time seeing the sun. That’s my reality for now, & yeah, I pray constantly to find a way out of it & the strength to walk that way.
But pray for her? Excuse the F outa me! She KNEW for 4 years what he was doing. She knew about me, & she bought him (with an F of a lot of $), & he told her in one early email that he “admired” her “persistence.” She knew all along that he was going to desert the woman who’d stood by him for 4 HARD-ass years. And she has way enuf $ to keep him content for the rest of his life. I have NO sympathy for her. I pray that I Will See the Day that either or both of them get their karmic due.
Well, that’s enough bad attitude for a Sunday afternoon. I did go to SS & church today, but dang, it just musta wore off too fast. But thank you, SeeingClearly, for your standing with me in prayer for my healing because I Need It. & I Know It.
Correction:
that was EIGHT hard-ass years that I stood with him for 2 yrs when he was a federal fugitive & 2 yrs when he was in prison, & FOUR yrs of living with him, standing with him, & believing in him WHILE he was on a “perpetual vacation” with her on his frequent travels.
Dear Whyme,
TELL THAT FREELOADING ADULT KID OF YOURS, that he has til Monday 5:p.m. (tomorrow) to cough up the agreed upon rent or sleep in his damn car! NO MORE SECOND CHANCES and no more freeloading off you while he saves HIS MONEY (WTF??) for a place of his own.
I let mine move back in here and he paid the agreed upon rent, but he didn’t keep his other agreements, and when I found out, then he LIED TO TRY TO COVER IT UP, and I tossed his ass out. Now he is looking forward to an orthopaedic surgery on his ankle, and guess what, he won’t have mommy to look after him, drive him to he doctor, hospital, feed his sorry arse, etc. he’s ON HIS OWN NOW…chit on me ONCE, shame on you, chit on me AGAIN, SHAME ON ME!
Put your BIG GIRL PANTIES ON and start standing up for yourself. Throw out your wish bone and grow a back bone and quit-yer whinning! (((hugs))))