When people realize that that they are involved with a sociopath, the standard advice from Lovefraud is that they should, as quickly as possible, cut the predator out of their lives. That means no phone calls, no e-mails, no texts, and certainly no in-person meetings. It means No Contact.
Of course, there are times when this is difficult, as when our reader works with the sociopath, or they have children together. In these cases, they need to implement No Contact as best they can. But let’s now talk about situations where it is possible to get rid of the person, such as in a dating relationship.
What is the best way to establish No Contact? Clearly, firmly and permanently.
The rules of No Contact
The book called The Gift of Fear, by Gavin de Becker, devotes several pages to the topic of rejecting an unwanted suitor, and these pages are among the most helpful of the entire book.
De Becker writes in the context of a woman who decides she doesn’t want to be involved with a man. Do not, the author says, try to “let him down easy.” Here’s what he writes:
One rule applies to all types of unwanted pursuit: Do not negotiate. Once a woman has made the decision that she doesn’t want a relationship with a particular man, it needs to be said one time, explicitly. Almost any contact after that rejection will be seen as negotiation ”¦ If you tell someone ten times that you don’t want to talk to him, you are talking to him—nine times more than you wanted to.
Here are more points that de Becker makes in the book:
- If you get 30 messages from a pursuer, and finally call him back to say, “stop calling,” he learns that after 30 attempts, he will get a response.
- If you make an excuse like, “I don’t want to be in a relationship right now,” the stalker assumes you will want to be in a relationship later, and keeps calling.
- If you say, “You’re a great guy, but I’m not the one for you,” the stalker thinks you’re just confused, and will come around in time.
- Never explain why you don’t want a relationship. If you give a reason, it gives him something to challenge.
- A nice or delicate rejection is often taken as affection.
“The way to stop contact is to stop contact,” de Becker says. “I suggest one explicit rejection and after that absolutely no contact. If you call the pursuer back, or agree to meet, or send him a note, or have somebody warn him off, you buy another six weeks of his unwanted pursuit.”
Giving in
What happens if you’re wishy-washy about No Contact? Not long ago, Lovefraud received the following letter from a reader who we’ll call “Lenore.”
I literally had to count the days that went by as I refused contact with him, and on day 120, I celebrated because I felt healed. Well, on day 121, he emailed me, and against my better judgment, I emailed him back. He told me he had been in therapy, he realized what he had done wrong, he was on medication.
I was cautious and wary, and decided, amidst warnings of concern from my friends and family, to perhaps work on a friendship again. We worked on being friends for a few weeks, and everything was great and fine. I felt in control of the situation.
Then his old behaviors started creeping in. He installed a GPS app on my phone so he could track my whereabouts. He began calling and texting incessantly, and flipping out if I didn’t answer right away. The verbal and psychological abuse had begun again. Fortunately, this time it did not escalate to physical abuse. He began lying again, gaslighting and acting erratically, and began seeing other women on the side. Last night, it once again became too much and I told him not to contact me again because my heart and my spirit couldn’t take any more pain, and his inconsistency is so bad for my son.
So today begins Day One again without him. I am writing you today to tell you that your no contact advice was the best advice I didn’t take. For 120 days I went without him. It took a while, but by day 90 I was happy and free and at peace. Now I am back to square one.
No Contact is the path to healing from an entanglement with a sociopath. The stronger you can be about No Contact, the faster you will recover.
serenity,
Spaths enjoy “sliming” us or “burning us beyond recognition”.I went through what you’re describing too.It’s a very emotional time.Not only was I ANGRY for all that he had done,I was CONFUSED as to how it could have happened and why?!At the same time,I was GRIEVING time lost;I couldn’t see beyond the yrs of damage,the wasted yrs.
It was Ox Drover who addressed the need for me to FORGIVE MYSELF.
Really?!Hmmm.Ok…worth a try.Stop thinking about how the spath affected your life.Forgive yourself for doing things you wouldn’t have normally done.Ahhhh! It feels so good!You begin to find yourself again;to appreciate who you truly are!Best to you serenity and may you feel peaceful! ((( HUGS )))
So, true, Blossom:
That same capability of perceiving and studying us to know exactly what type of love bombing will work is later used to know exactly what to say and do to lower our self esteem, make us desperate, bring up awful secrets we told in confidence. They are experts at getting inside our heads.
Hi Blossom!
Hi Tea Light!
How are you! I’ve read your posts;I always look for you on LF~miss you when you don’t show up!What have you been doing lately?!
I’m still waiting not-so-patiently for relief of this back pain.I did finally hear from the neurosurgeon’s office yesterday.I have an appt for evaluation July 17th.Until relief…muscle relaxers & pain pills(more meds,Uggh!)
My puppy keeps me company;I’m so thankful!Spath only cared about himself!My puppy is so loyal and loving!
Hi Blossom:
Hate to hear about your back pain. I think you said you had spinal stenosis? One of the most painful injuries and I am thinking of you. My ex-husband has it and he is hoping to wait until they have laser surgery for it in our area. I read that back pain takes over and makes it so hard to think compared to other types of pain. Anyway, thinking of you.
fight,
Yes,I have lumbar spinal stenosis.I kept putting the surgery off…but I can’t any longer!My girls tell me they can’t believe how fast I went downhill!I have neuropathy in my legs and feet.If you don’t get the surgery done soon enough,you end up with Cauda Equina,ugh!
Blossom: I am so sorry you are having to deal with this type of pain and surgery. Keep us posted.
serenity,
YOU ARE A SURVIVOR~~~no matter how you got out of the relationship!Consider the fact that some women NEVER MAKE IT OUT!
Now be determined to make the best of the gift of having your life back!
Good point, Blossom:
I will repeat my story here about when I had had enough of alcoholic spath 1. I really had enough of him. He had physically, emotionally, and verbally abused me. I was starting to stand up to him and he didn’t like it. He left, but stalked me, but was busy with others. One night, I called a person in my 12 step group crying and told her my woes and told her I was “afraid” he was already with another woman and had “left me.” She said, “OH Honey! They never really leave. We are the ones who leave.” After I hung up, I realized that I had been practicing the responses against his abuse as I had been reading a Patricia Evans book. I had been standing up for myself. I was leaving his behaviors behind. I was letting him know that I wasn’t going to put up with them any more. He wasn’t going to stop, so he left. I then filed for divorce.
And here is a little proverb I read that kept me going through that divorce:
One tear passed another tear. As the first tear passed by, it said to the second tear, “Why is your woman crying?” The second tear said, “Because she lost her man. Why is your woman crying?” The first tear said, “Because she is the one who got him next.”
It’s not us. It is them. When we change and they see we can no longer be controlled, they leave if they have the capability. And we win when a spath leaves. A gone one is better than a stalking one.
fight,
I LOVE that proverb!That was my “chuckle of the day”!
That was two decades ago and I have never forgotten that proverb. It also makes me feel free and like I have a funny, little secret weapon when I remember it and realize that I do not have to try that hard because my tear is equal to the tear of his last victim or his next one.
Thanks Blossom, You’re so right. I’m out no matter how I got out. Thanks for the perspective. i forget sometimes…its so easy to spiral and lose perspective.
Thanks Everyone… I needed this today. A few days ago I felt strong like I could help others, and other days I realize I still need the support so thanks.
I’ve learned so much today especially about forgiving myself….
Love and Hugs and I hope everyone here is having a calm and peaceful day:)
Serenity (and all),
Balance takes time. That’s really all it is. I know, that sounds so incredibly stupid. But the truth seems to be that all the other stuff we do (therapy, exercise, friends, sleep, trying to eat well, controlling our intake of booze/etc…) is helpful, but nothing really speeds up the time it takes for our bodies to return to balance.
We can gain insights and do a lot of learning from all our activities around healing, and all of it is good and absolutely beneficial. But balance, where we aren’t scared of our own shadows and jumping like a cat whenever a car horn blasts (to say, having PTSD symptoms), that takes time- pure time. And it isn’t easy to ‘wait’, and believe, that the time we spend will be worth it.
BUT IT IS.
As trauma survivors it is a crucial thing, this time. During this time we are along for a ride on our emotional waves. This is totally normal, and sometimes nearly unbearable. I felt ‘seasick’ (feelings I did not want to feel) for a good long stretch of time. And then, bit by bit, calmness and reason began to return. My heart rate didn’t go up at the drop of a hat….I wasn’t scared….I could examine my past experiences without feeling like I couldn’t breathe. It began to lift. I came out of the FOG (fear, obligation, guilt).
YOU WILL TOO.
I get the ‘fake it till you make it’. And during some of this time that is what we have to do. But also allow yourself (and I am sure you are, I do not mean to preach) to just be in the realness of it (when you are in a safe place). And write it out, scream it out, punch it out, dance it out, walk it out, talk it out, read it out, cry it out….I think you get what I am getting at. It’s also OK to just be IN IT. Even though it totally hurts and is wickedly difficult.
It’s corny but true that the only way out is through.
Much love…Slim
Good points, Slimone. The spath got me into many messes over many years. Abuse and trauma change the physiology of the brain. How can we expect to feel better in a few months after sometimes years of abuse. And every brain is not the same. All are affected at different levels and some may take longer than others. I finally had to accept that I have been altered and I will never be the same. But, I am still a lovable human being and deserve to love myself. I am just different now. Not bad. Just different.
And Serenity: I hope you continue to feel good about yourself in spite of “feelings” attacks. I can feel great for a while and that I am doing a good job of taking care of myself and then it can take one PTSD trigger or nightmare and I can feel just terrible. Feelings are feelings and we have to feel both the good and bad to find our balance (as Slimone aptly put it) throughout our lives.
Hi To all,
Side note, the PTSD has impaired my spelling abilities. I aplpogize ahaed of time. LOL
Thx for posting this article. After having a fairly good day, I found myself near tears while attempting an early to bed. I decided to come hear. Wham, right there it is. The reason why I am still crying after 9 months apart, I broke my NC 2-3 months ago. It certainly arrested the calm I had begun to feel. Thanks to all of you, for your wise and helpful posts above. Very good input. I do not think the idea of NC would have ever occured to me, if not for LF.
I am grateful for this place, LF gave me the info I needed to realize how sick the man I was involved with really was. Until I found this site, I just thought he was an alcoholic, sex-addict with a penchant for cruelty and emotional abuse. Why was I just crying? LOL What a mind twister it is , to be in love with someone, who turns out to be sub-human, not at all what he originally portrayed himself as.
Back to no contact. For any new viewers, this is the best piece of advice you will ever get in dealing with a spath. There is nothing but further violation to your heart , soul and life that will come from continued contact. The last bits of fish hooks my spath threw, were only to harm me more in the discard process. NC reigns in healing step #1. Hugs to all,
Bluemosaic ps(stateing those facts stopped the tears)
LOL I’m a terrible speller too PTSD or not!! That made me laugh….
I agree I’d be lost without this support group…and that’s what it is. A friend of mine said the other day “Why don’t you join a support group” and after thinking about it for a second I’m like WOW I’m in the best one I could have ever imagined!!
It’s so true about the NC SO SO true!! but SO SO hard! But knowing that EVERY time I was in contact things got worse for me and worse for him!! He had some karma kick his ASS in contacting me and it felt good although he still managed to flip it around…
Glad you found this thread its been really helpful for me to give advice here and lean on these great people as well!
Have a great sleep. Try some self hypnosis/relaxation apps that you can download from iTunes. I use it before bed. it just relaxes you and focuses your thoughts. I’m trying to get of sleeping pills and it was recommended to me. So far so good!
Good to hear from you,Blue!Glad to have your added support from experience for NC!Take care care of yourself! 🙂
Thanks everyone….I’m trying the “I’m Ok” mantra all evening….and “In time it will pass” went for a long walk, and hopefully my piles of homework to do will distract me. I do feel calmer by talking to all of you today.
One thing that baffles me is how so many people talk about how SMART these people are and how CALCULATED they are. Do you believe that or do you think they don’t even know they are doing it? The reason I ask was one of the main reason I wasn’t initially attracted to my spath, and I remember saying “As if I could ever marry him” was because we were not intellectually on the same level. His IQ is actually quite low and NEVER conversed about anything I was interested in, never cared or knew about world events, never had an opinion on anything etc. I know now that that was also out right narcissism, but I just remember thinking “He’s just so DUMB” he was very gullible it seemed. I could tell him that I could get a cop to trace his phone from the tower out back and he’d believe it lol. It always seemed like HE was easily convinced. He was big into get rich quick schemes and got burned many times.
So is there a correlation between intelligence and this disorder? Or is it an automatic response they don’t even recognize? I have a tough time saying that he was SMART and CALCULATED and KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING…he just appeared and proven to be such a dumb ass!
Thanks again everyone
Lol serenity. My abuser also, not the brightest watt bulb in the hardware shop. Just very very verbal, talk talk talk, on and on, as Donna reported some research suggests, lots of words crammed into the speech of psychopaths. Or some. My abuser is an empty , shallow man. He has no interests other than eating television ( and people we are talking French television. Game shows where people race to make Hollandaise sauce against the clock. Three hour panel discussions about mushrooms. On holiday in a World Herirage Centre town he opted to watch a retin of ET under a blanket when there were Roman ruins and museums in walking distance. He was happy as Larry. Chuckling away, amused and content. He was 49 at the time).
He met me in my place of work, a university. He was very careful to mirror me, to present asthe soul mate. Looking back it’s shocking how effective the techniques he used were. Serenity I too have spent time on the ” is it instinctive or calculateabusive behaviour with them? ” question. I stopped caring with my abuser what the answer is. I don’t know. A mix, I imagine. I believe he is profoundly disordered and has some grasp that he is not ” normal”, and works deliberately to construct a public mask, mainly for his employer and neighbours, he has no friends. Well, he trawls sex sites
if that counts.
serenity,
Believe me,they KNOW EXACTLY what they’re doing!!! I used to wonder the same thing! The “dumb act”….it’s a MASK!My husband wore it well!What better way to manipulate people without them realizing that someone smart enough to do such a thing is actually doing that?!!
Q: Does a dumb husband take his heavily pregnant wife to work with him to pull commercial rugs out of a machine,that are still laden with water?! Let me put it this way,how many husbands,dumb or smart,do you know,that would do that?!Mine did.
I’m all over the place today thanks to the new AD meds. Sorry for rambling post all.
Anyway yes, eating, tv, sex, deviant sex, porn, his mother, other people who have more money than him, or a house. He hates that he is 50 and has a small apartment. That is the fault of his father who ran up gambling debts his parents had to sell property to keep him out of jail. That’s the abuser’s belief. The truth is he is stupid, lazy and has a grotesque sense of entitlement. He does not want to work hard or apply himself. He settles for an average salary in one of the most expensive régions of France, where he can be constantly envious ofthe millionaires. He’s waiting for his mother to die so he can grab her larger apartment and his inheritance.
Talking wise, he has a very seductive voice, low, ‘ masculine’ well modulated. He uses this to snare foreign women like me and his second wife. If a woman is not fluent in his language – and he refuses to speak in English although he has basic Englconversation, because he loses control in English. It took me till I was up to my neck in his bullshit to realise there was no content or substance to 90% of the torrent of words that poured outof his mouth. Literally he would blather on about the weather or his lunch for half an hour. And you would be left with the illusion that you had ‘ communicated’ when nothinghad been said.
Now it’s me blathering. Just wanted to say Serenity that I read somewhere that narcissists are so self involved, take themselves so seriously and are so convinced their partners are extensions of their own ego that they can be wierdly very gullible, presumably they can’t imagine anyone they automatically consider not equal to them, so everyone, being smart enough to pull the wool over their eyes, which would leave them strangely open to being manipulated. I don’t believe that holds for socio/ psychopaths, only narcissists.
Blossom and fightsie, you are my sunshine when skies are blah like today. More later girlfriends.
Tea Light: You’re not blathering. Good information is good information, spelled incorrectly, in a fog of medication, angry, happy, sad….it all helps.
I’ve had spaths from super low IQ to super high IQ in my life. I don’t think that is the part of the brain that makes them lack empathy, control, abuse, have no feelings at all, steal, lie, cheat, and destroy. I think spaths are like hamsters on the wheel. They just keep going and trying to get at whatever it is they want in that moment over and over and over again.
fight,
Funny…before I left the spath,I told friends of mine that I FELT LIKE A HAMSTER ON A WHEEL!
Hi Tea Light,fight and everyone,
I chose to post on this thread for now,but I really MUST do some housework today…unfortunately I can’t WISH it done! I’m going to have to try to stand long enough to get it done(ouch!)
((( HUGS )))
Hi Blossom:
Report back to us how you are doing after you can clean some. Even if you can only get one thing done, let us know any accomplishment and you will feel better about what you could get done.
Well,thankfully,a friend called and asked if I needed to go shopping…so I did! I used a battery cart this time!Last time I nearly passed out in the store,from walking & the pain!I did get my bed made today! 🙂 I’ll wash dishes before I go to bed!Vacumning just keeps waiting,lol!
Oh blossom. I hate your ” husband”. I really do.Even more after the wet rug story. Be careful about the housework, take lots of breaks, just do the bare minimum. Do you have assistance Blossom? You need care! You have a disability for goodness sake. I’m all over the shop with these new tablets. No housework for me. Too dangerous. Well thats my excuse.
I can’t find your post to me to reply fightsie! Oh woe is me and my AD brain fog.
It’s OK lightsie. If you are signed up to be notified on this thread, it notifies you the next day usually and you have to go through all of the comments and look at the most recent reply to each comment.
Try to write down the side effects and feelings you are having with this new medicine every day to be sure it is working best for you.
I got another post from you somewhere. We always find each other somewhere.
Hating is wrong, I know. But….grrrrrrrr.
Tea Light,
No,I don’t have assistance right now.I do take lots of breaks~usually in bed or else @....... the computer.I’m hoping to find out if assistance is possible in the near future.
Well,Tea…it sounds like you have a good reason for being still and quiet yourself!Housework waits on us anyway! 🙂
Housework Schmousework. As long as I’m clean my clothes towels and bedding are clean there’s food in the kitchen and clean things to eat it off, the rest can wait right now. I slept 13 hours last night. Am in a complete daze even after two super strength lattes. I call them my rocket fuel. The rocket is still on the launch pad.