When people realize that that they are involved with a sociopath, the standard advice from Lovefraud is that they should, as quickly as possible, cut the predator out of their lives. That means no phone calls, no e-mails, no texts, and certainly no in-person meetings. It means No Contact.
Of course, there are times when this is difficult, as when our reader works with the sociopath, or they have children together. In these cases, they need to implement No Contact as best they can. But let’s now talk about situations where it is possible to get rid of the person, such as in a dating relationship.
What is the best way to establish No Contact? Clearly, firmly and permanently.
The rules of No Contact
The book called The Gift of Fear, by Gavin de Becker, devotes several pages to the topic of rejecting an unwanted suitor, and these pages are among the most helpful of the entire book.
De Becker writes in the context of a woman who decides she doesn’t want to be involved with a man. Do not, the author says, try to “let him down easy.” Here’s what he writes:
One rule applies to all types of unwanted pursuit: Do not negotiate. Once a woman has made the decision that she doesn’t want a relationship with a particular man, it needs to be said one time, explicitly. Almost any contact after that rejection will be seen as negotiation ”¦ If you tell someone ten times that you don’t want to talk to him, you are talking to him—nine times more than you wanted to.
Here are more points that de Becker makes in the book:
- If you get 30 messages from a pursuer, and finally call him back to say, “stop calling,” he learns that after 30 attempts, he will get a response.
- If you make an excuse like, “I don’t want to be in a relationship right now,” the stalker assumes you will want to be in a relationship later, and keeps calling.
- If you say, “You’re a great guy, but I’m not the one for you,” the stalker thinks you’re just confused, and will come around in time.
- Never explain why you don’t want a relationship. If you give a reason, it gives him something to challenge.
- A nice or delicate rejection is often taken as affection.
“The way to stop contact is to stop contact,” de Becker says. “I suggest one explicit rejection and after that absolutely no contact. If you call the pursuer back, or agree to meet, or send him a note, or have somebody warn him off, you buy another six weeks of his unwanted pursuit.”
Giving in
What happens if you’re wishy-washy about No Contact? Not long ago, Lovefraud received the following letter from a reader who we’ll call “Lenore.”
I literally had to count the days that went by as I refused contact with him, and on day 120, I celebrated because I felt healed. Well, on day 121, he emailed me, and against my better judgment, I emailed him back. He told me he had been in therapy, he realized what he had done wrong, he was on medication.
I was cautious and wary, and decided, amidst warnings of concern from my friends and family, to perhaps work on a friendship again. We worked on being friends for a few weeks, and everything was great and fine. I felt in control of the situation.
Then his old behaviors started creeping in. He installed a GPS app on my phone so he could track my whereabouts. He began calling and texting incessantly, and flipping out if I didn’t answer right away. The verbal and psychological abuse had begun again. Fortunately, this time it did not escalate to physical abuse. He began lying again, gaslighting and acting erratically, and began seeing other women on the side. Last night, it once again became too much and I told him not to contact me again because my heart and my spirit couldn’t take any more pain, and his inconsistency is so bad for my son.
So today begins Day One again without him. I am writing you today to tell you that your no contact advice was the best advice I didn’t take. For 120 days I went without him. It took a while, but by day 90 I was happy and free and at peace. Now I am back to square one.
No Contact is the path to healing from an entanglement with a sociopath. The stronger you can be about No Contact, the faster you will recover.
The no contact has saved my sanity and my life. I stopped communicating with my soon to be ex the day I filed for divorce (July 13). After the “divorce from hell” we finally settled last week and it should be all done in about 45 days. I will never talk to him again. I am so relieved that the outcome was in my favor. Thanks to staying strong, believing and of course my zealous attorney. I did not even look at the evil husband in court. He cannot get any reaction out of me except being ignored. I know he had planned on me being emotional so he could claim I am insane. Well, too bad. I was pulled together and only thought about my financial outcome. Now I can go on with my life. It was a year that brought closure and hope. When I was discarded after 20 years for a young co worker I thought it was the end of the world. All this pain and struggle has made me a stronger, more resilient person. I am great. People say I look so much happier and better than before. I know because the “thorn ” was taken out of my body. The “thorn” that caused so much pain in my life. Now I can look at a sunset or sunrise and that’s all I need to be ok. Because I am still alive and well. He did not succeed. Because I know he wanted me dead , committed to a mental institution or in jail. I am thankful for the 20 something co worker. She is my replacement and forever I owe her to come into our marriage. A marriage that never really existed except on paper.
Please be strong and consistent in your no contact. It’s the only way to finally heal.
Wow, you are one tough cookie.
Luckily I do not have any children or ever married to this man.
Also, remember that if he did this to you, he will also do this to his younger and completely naive younger girlfriend. She is not immune to it because she is younger.
I am staying strong with day 2 of no contact. I look a mess but I am grateful to have my soon to be married daughter back in my life.
I am trying to put together an exit plan from my husband and will be meeting with a new therapist and attorney this week to begin mapping out a plan.
My husband and I are still going to joint counseling sessions and have been instructed to get together in public places for dinner and such to quell my anxiety. (Marriage counselors suggestion.) Meeting husband in a couple of nights for dinner.
Due to a daughter graduating, and other life events, I probably cannot file until the end of May. Any suggestions on things to do/avoid until I can totally implement NC? Our next counseling session is May 9th, I understand now why so many suggest not doing MC. I don’t want to alert my husband of what is coming down the pike, but I also get really really anxious whenever I see him.
Thank you to all who post, the help has been tremendous.
Platinum,
I agree with stargazer, it sounds like you have a solid plan with support. Maybe if you really think about the reason you feel anxious when you are with him for short periods. Of course you are dealing with the big picture of his abuse and that causes great anxiety. But at dinner, are you concerned that he will be ugly, controlling or forceful? Or maybe you feel like seeing him makes you have feelings for him that you need to ignore right now? Possibly you feel like he may move you with his love bombing, or anger you with blame?
I’m sure he is capable of all these things. It might be that if you thought over the actions that would make you most nervous, you can have a plan in place of how to deal with each. It’s unfortunate that you have to play his game. I’ll be thinking of you. Congratulations on your daughter’s graduation!
Platinum, Why is it that you have to go to counseling with him? Can you just stop? Is it just ti keep up appearances so he doesn’t become suspicious? I can only imagine your stress. Sounds like you have a good plan and have enlisted the right support. Hang in there. Let the dream of freedom inspire you to to what you have to do right now. You have our support 100%.
Stargazer and HopingToHeal,
Yes, I am wanting to continue the next therapy session so husband will not be suspicious. A good friend suggested I use this (hopefully) last session with him to try and find any kind of closure. Not sure if that is possible or not. But I might be able to find a voice in that session and leave on a strong note.
Anxiety levels when seeing him are due to everything you guys said and more. He can say just a few sweet somethings and I so desperately want to believe him. It’s not going to happen, mind you, but I’m still a baby at having the “veil” lifted and am pretty raw from figuring out some of this mess.
Thank you for the support!
I don’t know if it’s possible, but maybe you can keep the conversation “light” and talk about superficial things like the tablecloths in the restaurant, what color you want to paint your fingernails, etc., especially if he starts getting dramatic and controlling. This is a form of “gray rock” which is a way to just become boring to a sociopath so he will leave you alone. They crave drama, and if you don’t give it to them, they must go elsewhere for it. You can ask his advice on what color you should paint your nails or how you should rearrange the furniture in the living room.
I used to feel a great deal of anxiety about the sociopath after I left him because I just didn’t know what he was capable of doing. But the reality is that he wasn’t as smart as I’d given him credit for, and he ended up causing his own downfall. Your husband may be a powerful controller and manipulator. But you are powerful, too. He is only more powerful than you if you give him that power. Keep your goal in mind and try to have a little calmness in your heart and maybe even a smile inwardly, because you are going to be free soon enough. You will be okay. He will always be a walking mess. But some day he will be someone else’s mess. You will get through this and you will learn what kind of strength you have in the process. This can be very empowering for you.
It has been 10 months since i have posted on here. You all helped me immensely at the time and made me realise it wasn’t me – it was him. All my niggling feelings were right, my intuition was right, he was the crazy one, trying to make me feel like I was always the problem.
Just yesterday I thought – not once have i ever heard him say I’m sorry – instead it was him looking into the distance (like a big act) and he would mutter something like “it shouldn’t have happened”.
We have been separated for over a year and we have a 2 year old. The SP is still very much in my life, he is in my house nearly every morning, wants us all to to have coffees together on weekends, etc etc.
I feel like I need to “break up” with him all over again but I am so scared! Its hard to explain to people (like my family) why I am scared, I don’t even know why…its just a feeling I have.
It was only because I saw a post come through on my email – so THANK YOU ALL again – that I remembered I am dealing with a SP and most people don’t understand – I don’t even understand sometimes.
Twinkle, don’t feel bad about taking a step backwards. Its inevitable since you have to see each other for the children. Go back and re-read the blogs about having children with sociopaths and the ways no contact can be implemented. Tell him you’re dating someone and want to establish boundaries…so coffees, dinners, etc are inappropriate. Remember to do what’s BEST for your child!!
Way to go Strong on Day 4!! I was thinking about you last night wondering if you got through your 3rd day. I’m proud of you. Just like an alcoholic breaking an addiction its one day at a time….sometimes its one minute at a time and that’s ok. And thank you for caring about my past feelings brought up. The good news is that the sadness has past and the “Why did this happen to me?” has past as well. I know now why it did…it built me up a WHOLE whack of good Karma:) When I think of him now I think that he is such a total DORK!! I laugh at his actions now that I understand his illness. I do NOT feel sorry for him or his new victim(s) I saw him in a grocery store about a month back and we made eye contact and I jumped on my cart and sped away saying “Oh Gawd” It was actually quite hilarious…Him standing there like a dope hoping I’d talk to him. Immature? Maybe… but it made me laugh:) And you are SOOOOOO right about you not providing the right type of drama for him and that’s why he’s not calling. An empathetic person would call!!! You’re new path FORWARD begun 4 days ago!! His new path going BACKWARD to his ex or whatever began too. How sad for him.
serenity12!
Thanks for thinking of me! I thought about posting last night, but I did some exercise instead. I took your advice. It helped me break the routine of talking and texing him in the evening. I did not spend too much time with him during the week. Even though he was not and still is not working, I would make him get up at 6am when I have to get up for work and I think he stayed at his place because he wanted to sleep. Uggg, makes me sick to my stomach. What a loser. He would call and or text me as soon as I walked in the door from work after I worked all day and drove in city traffic for 45 minutes to an hour to get home.
He raely would even ask how MY day was and when he did, he would lose intrest after 30 seconds and start talking about HIM and his stupid brothers or his grown children. Pretty much talked on the phone all day.
Anywho, I really don’t care. I am just happy that my temporary insanity with him moving in with me never happened because I would probably have to have him evicted.
I still have not deleted all of the pictures from my phone…I need to do that.
Oh he was extremly delighted to see that I still had pictures of him on my computer from 2006.
Thank you again for being so brave to talk to me, I hope that you will not run into him again anytime soon.
I read the post about how women like us become targets for these losers and I am guilty of being a kind, compassionate, loyal and loving human being. I do not intend on changing these traits. I will be more alert to the signs that something is not right and moving too fast.
I’m pretty sure I will hear something from him, if I get a text…what should I do? Just delete it, right? I don’t have anything else to say.
Oh Lordy, Ill write later about the dinner we had a few days before I broke up with him…
Deleting pictures is hard I know. It was hard for me because he had a son that he bonded me to then ripped away and told him I was a bad person… When just like you I was kind and caring. I agree that is how we get suckered by these people. I’m really focusing on being aware of red flags jumping back into the dating game. I haven’t been dating in the last year on purpose: So that I know that I will be ok alone. Therefore if I meet a rotten guy I won’t get the whole “Its better than being alone” feeling that pops up. I’m very happy right now being alone…in fact I’m worried I’m getting too used to it:)
If and when he texts I bet it will have something to do with logistics. You leaving something at his house etc anyway to get your attention without looking weak. My ex was famous for this. I ignored everything after he was calling and calling and he wrote a text a day later saying “I just hope you don’t hurt my family” LOLOLOLO I was like WHAT????? It was SOOOOO out of left field and so desperate for me to respond.
Don’t expect a text of “I’m sorry lets talk like adults” Thats what a NORMAL person does. He will look for an excuse. If he thinks your crazy, unstable, and nuts why would he contact you for ANY reason right?? My ex would call me psycho, then send pictures of his son to me after we split!! If you think Im SO dangerous WHY would you send pics of your CHILD!!!!???
Why? Because they KNOW we’re not crazy. They KNOW its them. If you and I thought someone was as crazy as what they think we are?? We’d be running for the hills right?
Lol I am your decision maker and I say no response to any of his texts. Even if he makes it seem like its an emergency. Do a little test and see how desperate he will get with trying to reach you. Mine went from “Lets talk” to “don’t hurt my family” all because I ignored him. Case closed. Total predictable loser!!
If it gets really bad we can go from there….
Just got out of a meeting. Text from him . Says I miss you. Feeling sick to my stomach
Well of course he did. They always do unless its their idea. So I’m sure you are feeling relieved and probably good. This is the addiction calling you back. Its like a glass of wine being set in front of you when you are trying to quit drinking. So say these things to yourself:
1. This is 100% a predictable sociopathic behavior
2. He probably got rejected from his ex and now he’s back to you.
3. He has not respected your wishes to keep his distance
4. Remember how you felt 4 days ago and WHY WHY WHY you wanted to go no contact to begin with. Revisit those feelings.
In the past I would have advised to send a quick text back saying “Please do not contact me” but even THAT can be dangerous from my own experience and from 100% of the other people on here. It never amounts to anything.
Remember: Everytime you try and implement no contact and fail, each time gets worse and worse and you lose more and more of yourself. You writing him back will not make things better.
You have the power now!! You got the last laugh!! PLEASE walk away with your dignity. Please do it for me who didn’t get a chance to do so. He looks like the fool begging for you…. and then you can LAUGH when he comes back with desperate attempts when you don’t reply. I gave in. And got beaten up in front of a 4 year old…and that’s the last I saw him.
Keep your grace…
Your addiction will test you. This is a test. If you’re feeling urges give yourself 24 hours. During that time read on here like crazy…no one’s stories on here turn out any different. You’re relationship is NOT different….I thought that. It was my denial talking. He followed EVERY predictable behavior to a TEE!
Hi serenity,
I have had a setback… I replied and am regretting every minute of it but not beating myself up about it like I have done in the past.
My mood is down and I have been trying to keep busy at work, etc.
How did you maintain after no contact and a setback. zi text him and even talked to him on the phone.
The weekend is here again and I want to enjoy it.
I even sent him a text a few hours ago and after the “I miss you” text has broken the rules….
Now I am sitting here, after he did not reply to my text.
Feeling pretty crappy right now and considering meeting up with another ex to have some attention.
Any thoughts?
Thank you! I will not send him anything back!
Serenity12!
Day 5, yes girl I said 5! Even after the “I miss you text” from yesterday.
Of coarse it’s all about how he feels. I stayed strong and did not reply. Nothing.
Since he knows my daily schedule, he uses that to target he at certain points in the day.
He knew I have a 3:00 meeting yesterday.
I planned to go home and exercise, but instead had a nice quiet shower and peaceful evening.
Thank you so much for sharing your story about how he turned tha tables arond on you, telling you to not bother his family and then sending a picture of his child.
Uggg, really??? That so sounds like my exspath. I think he has even told he that before. Not to hurt his family.
I am going to try to not get to the point of wanting answers, because I already have them.
I went through that part when we were together in 2006.
It has been almost 5 years of No Contact with our son(as in seeing him and a year of no emails!). He has since roped another into marriage; she was ripe for the picking, never married, with two kids, a third and fourth by my son prior to him marrying her.
On Easter at my mom’s house, with all the family there, he has the gall to call and ask to come over with family in tow knowing his parents were there-not caring one bit what it would do to us if he just showed up! Because the entire family thinks he is wonderful and we are the villians, when we said, “No,this is not the place or time and if he comes we would have to leave”, all hell broke loose. I have talked to my family till I was blue-in-the-face, giving evidence of what he is. Because the SP is so good at what they do, be prepared that most people will not believe you. He has the support of family and many, many friends who just continue to “feed” his sociopathic ways because there is no way we could be telling the truth about him. We are just bitter; how can a parent cut their child off? The most painful, saddest part is that I will love him till the day I die and I have to face the black and white fact that he truly, does not have any love for me-nor is capable of it. So to all of those who take a stand of No Contact, be prepared you may stand alone-especially if the no contact is with your own child.
I can sincerely relate to your pain! My son’s been out of my life almost 6 years. No one in my family relates to the problem, and I’m at an age at which I have precious little family left. I can fully understand the doublesided sword of not being able to live with them, and not being able to live without them. They’re our children forever, regardless that they are unreasonably vicious and cruel.
Folks with normal family strife from raising children can’t relate to the heartbreak of fearing your very own child. These kids are chameleons who dawn a different face as their needs dictate. And the concept that you feel safer without them in your midst is something that they simply don’t relate to.
I think that word, “safety” might make a stronger impact on your loved ones. They just don’t grasp that you can’t trust your child and the heartbreak of feeling this way.
All the best!
Joyce
Joyce,
I don’t fear my son as in my safety. I fear him with my love and emotions that he will use and abuse.
Since he had his two sons (7 months old and 1 3/4 yrs old)according to everyone, we are to forget all he has done, all the hurt and pain to us and others, and accept the children. We had to block his emails because he kept trying to send us pictures of them. He knows that I always wanted to have grandchildren to love, play with, teach and guide. So he thinks he can manipulate us through his children. I have had family members say that we don’t have to be in our son’s life just the children’s. They think we can have a positive influence on them. How can we possibly be in their lives without being in his? There is no way. Just because he produced two children (which isnt hard to do!)the last 14 years of lying, deceiving, hurts, sleepless nights, endless crying and poor health will just be wiped away? There is alot of healing that needs to occur.
And just a follow up to him being told by my one sister who did not want him there at Easter, that if he wanted to speak to us or see us, he knows where to find us and not to come. Did we hear from him? NO. Obviously, his real desire was not to see us or talk to us on Easter, but to hurt us by showing up, with his kids in tow and we would have to acknowledge them. If we walked out once again he would be the victim.
It is a no-win situation. If we cave, it doesn’t help him, only just aids him to continue with his power trip and manipulation. If we stand firm, we are the bad guys.
Thanks again for your input.
Heartbroken Mom of 1,
I have not even thought about these “traits” and behaviors being part of one of my children. I can’t imagine the heartache and pain that you not have been through but go through every time you think of your only child. Stay strong. It sounds like your husband supports you and you are facing it together.
I fight all of the time to not speak of “him”. The irony is that the more you speak of your pain the crazier you sound and we know we are not the problem.
I am so glad your family supports you, too. Stay strong!
Scotlandmoves,
Yes, my husband and I stand alone, except for my sister but she believes we should be in his children’s lives. The rest of my large family stand with him. It is a lonely place to be. We are getting to the point of actually distancing ourselves from the rest of the family. I am so sick of trying to justify our stand and get others to see the truth. It almost seems that all is forgotten just because he has two children. All I hear is how wonderful of a father he is. Did all the evil he did just go away?