When people realize that that they are involved with a sociopath, the standard advice from Lovefraud is that they should, as quickly as possible, cut the predator out of their lives. That means no phone calls, no e-mails, no texts, and certainly no in-person meetings. It means No Contact.
Of course, there are times when this is difficult, as when our reader works with the sociopath, or they have children together. In these cases, they need to implement No Contact as best they can. But let’s now talk about situations where it is possible to get rid of the person, such as in a dating relationship.
What is the best way to establish No Contact? Clearly, firmly and permanently.
The rules of No Contact
The book called The Gift of Fear, by Gavin de Becker, devotes several pages to the topic of rejecting an unwanted suitor, and these pages are among the most helpful of the entire book.
De Becker writes in the context of a woman who decides she doesn’t want to be involved with a man. Do not, the author says, try to “let him down easy.” Here’s what he writes:
One rule applies to all types of unwanted pursuit: Do not negotiate. Once a woman has made the decision that she doesn’t want a relationship with a particular man, it needs to be said one time, explicitly. Almost any contact after that rejection will be seen as negotiation ”¦ If you tell someone ten times that you don’t want to talk to him, you are talking to him—nine times more than you wanted to.
Here are more points that de Becker makes in the book:
- If you get 30 messages from a pursuer, and finally call him back to say, “stop calling,” he learns that after 30 attempts, he will get a response.
- If you make an excuse like, “I don’t want to be in a relationship right now,” the stalker assumes you will want to be in a relationship later, and keeps calling.
- If you say, “You’re a great guy, but I’m not the one for you,” the stalker thinks you’re just confused, and will come around in time.
- Never explain why you don’t want a relationship. If you give a reason, it gives him something to challenge.
- A nice or delicate rejection is often taken as affection.
“The way to stop contact is to stop contact,” de Becker says. “I suggest one explicit rejection and after that absolutely no contact. If you call the pursuer back, or agree to meet, or send him a note, or have somebody warn him off, you buy another six weeks of his unwanted pursuit.”
Giving in
What happens if you’re wishy-washy about No Contact? Not long ago, Lovefraud received the following letter from a reader who we’ll call “Lenore.”
I literally had to count the days that went by as I refused contact with him, and on day 120, I celebrated because I felt healed. Well, on day 121, he emailed me, and against my better judgment, I emailed him back. He told me he had been in therapy, he realized what he had done wrong, he was on medication.
I was cautious and wary, and decided, amidst warnings of concern from my friends and family, to perhaps work on a friendship again. We worked on being friends for a few weeks, and everything was great and fine. I felt in control of the situation.
Then his old behaviors started creeping in. He installed a GPS app on my phone so he could track my whereabouts. He began calling and texting incessantly, and flipping out if I didn’t answer right away. The verbal and psychological abuse had begun again. Fortunately, this time it did not escalate to physical abuse. He began lying again, gaslighting and acting erratically, and began seeing other women on the side. Last night, it once again became too much and I told him not to contact me again because my heart and my spirit couldn’t take any more pain, and his inconsistency is so bad for my son.
So today begins Day One again without him. I am writing you today to tell you that your no contact advice was the best advice I didn’t take. For 120 days I went without him. It took a while, but by day 90 I was happy and free and at peace. Now I am back to square one.
No Contact is the path to healing from an entanglement with a sociopath. The stronger you can be about No Contact, the faster you will recover.
Delta i wwas reading your post and yes i think i did a lot of reading from Sam Vadkin a self professed narcissist if you can beleive most of what he says and you really have to be careful of the narcissist in you when dealing with these types. Healthy narcissism, in AA they talk alot about the ego, alcoholics are ego maniacs with inferiority complexes, we kind of swing from one to the other and i’ve questioned my own narcissism at times but unlike the s i have a conscience, in fact so i was told in trauma program by very intelligent dr. an overconscience. I t is interesting to see how the s in different peoples lives can bring out narcissism in their partners by proxy so to speak, and i think it basically comes down to ego as i mentioned, our egos run us in many ways and we arent’ really aware of it, pretty deep stuff that im still trying to figure out myself. My grandparents were entertainers and my grandmother was extremely high maintanance with makeup, clothes etc. back in the 70’s etc. and i’ve seen the narcissistic tendencies in her and down to my dad as well but they both were very very kind people so the narcissism can be in good people as well. I don’t know if this makes much sense and i could try and analyze it , but i’ve done that my whole life , another thing they drill into us in AA , keep it simple is the motto, don’t complicate dummie is another. I think we could prob all write volumes of books after our experiences and i know Lovefraud was my main source of information and help over the last 5 years, i’ve learned alot of book knowledge but sometimes i wish i had applied it to something other than the s but i know it was my journey. Glad to be back on here reading and just so grateful that im not in the squirrel cage anymore. kh
Delta1
ooooh what a post. In describing the ‘bitterness’ you may well have nailed the emotional capacity of a psychopath…capable of jealousy, bitterness, hate, evil and delight …even celebration of these dark forces which exist in all of us but for them have become an extreme choice…to act out a vengeance in the form of lies deceit and an “evil orgy” of the soul regardless of the suffering, the loss of life, respect or pity
I am reading Donnas book, thoughtfully…savouring it, thinking about it..as her experience is as bad as I’ve ever heard, I count myself lucky in comparison…but the soul of Montgomery is so like the soul of the P….He never thinks he has done anything wrong…another hallmark of their self righteous arrogance is the constant message…24/7 “I am doin everything I can for us, I am busting my ass trying to get business, the money, the this the that…their complete asshole assumption that as long as they are “doing everything they can to love you” the rest is ALL YOUR FAULT!!!
Narcissistic rageful bastard demons from hell…and they will be the first to tell you that you are a hypocryt if you do not recognise that evil is everywhere and they are no different to everywhere and whats the big deal….it’s even good for you…because you will have to accept the truth of it…because they will teach you…and you will be a better human being because of it
Richard Ramirez springs to mind, when getting the death penalty…he struts by the crowd (with the exact same movements as the P) and says something like “so what, what’s the big deal…of course death is part of the territory…get over it …see you in Disneyland….”
Every move they make, every breath they take is dedicated to shattering the illusion that life is precious and people are good…and there is a pride about it, no shame, no fear just a higher evolved hatred system that brings love to it’s knees…
so sad…sad again about all the evil that I see in the news, sad that children die, women are treated like objects and the advertisement industry uses the same tactics as a psychopath…it’s grim because the shit heads like Ramirez, Bundy, Rader, Manson, Dahmer…. and every other serial killer are convinced they are doing what comes naturally to them…. so what’s your problem ???
apologies for the unintended surprise RANT that came out there, Delta1 you sound so well, so aware of the similarities of psychological hard sell and psychopathy…there is a thin line, and you have outlined that thin line so well here….wishing you every success…so happy for you to have got throught the no contact nhell to freedom (I have also succeeded in weeding him out of my life, despite the huge financial losses)…he is infinitely out of my life.
I choose life, love, empathy, small children and having patience, loving my cats, not needing so much anyway, inner connection, making amends, letting go, cutting cords, disentangling, being an idiot, crying, getting embarrassed, going red in the face, admitting a mistake, trying to do better, service service service…as long as I am serving others I can be truly happy…giving something back, volunteering, having another useless conversation, getting fat, getting old, feeling spiritual..
I read all these posts, “Day 105”, “4 years”. I’m on Day 3 and I SWEAR if I’m still counting after 30 days, I’ll SCREAM. I have a mantra……”6 pounds and 30 days”. I want to get to the end of that and feel like I don’t have to count anymore! I’m NOT being critical of anyone else who is. It just frickin’ DEPRESSES me to think of still being CONSUMED by this INSANITY for 4 years, 6 years, 10 years, like some I read about.
I love ya’ll, but when I stop wanting to be here daily, I’ll be relieved. I am SO incredibly thankful for this site, but sometimes I feel it keeps me consumed with thinking about the subject. It’s a double edge sword. It helps put my thinking in perspective, makes me feel less alone, reminds me I’m not crazy and YES, reminds me that I need to STICK to NO CONTACT. It’s been 3 years of me trying to actually achieve NO contact. I’m finally in a position…….all business wrapped up with the idiot….so I really have NO reason to contact him…….So I stand a fighting chance now.
The other side of the sword is that here I am spending time writing on a recovery site when I should be working, planning, doing ANYTHING that will ADD to my life. Sigh. Either way, I’m not talking to the jerk and each day I’m taking care of myself. I’m just such a “Make it Happen” girl. Instant gratification is never soon enough for me, LOL, so the pace of this is annoying as hell. Unlike getting together with the idiot, which was oh so speedy. My kinda pace and now I’m learning why it’s his too. Yeesh.
Peace Ladies
SHMS – I understand what you are saying about how spending time here can just keep reminding us of the pain… but I also think, even once fully recovered, just being able to help someone else who hasn’t yet, is a very positive way to build up our lives again into a full, whole and healthy place – regardless of what we feel we ‘should’ be doing instead to get on with it.
Ellejay – perfectly written description of what I think we all feel we have experienced. In my opinion the main reason we have so much difficulty in NC is the lack of closure. I am friends (some distantly), with almost all of my ex’s, from short term to long term relationships. These were all people that could give me that because they are not narcissistic sociopaths! Even an ex that I was with for short time in the mid ’90s who was my first and only true experience with a verbal abuser, I am happy to say I found closure with (because even he could allow that), and I can see now is just a person who tried to function well, but just didn’t know how – even he (who was horribly verbally abusive during the relationship) didn’t screw with my sense of trust in such a way that I was left unable to heal from it. His abuse was text book and at least overtly honest, so closure wasn’t as difficult as it feels now when regarding my N ex who I believed really cared since the abuse I suffered was so covert and mixed in with such loving pretense.
Delta1 – lol! I have never felt comfortable doing the whole band promo thing – in person or online. I would much rather someone else could do that for me cause I really dislike the selling yourself phoniness and image shit. That’s probably why my band is still only having minor, local success… but fame and fortune was never the reason I got into playing music anyway, so for me, if that doesn’t come because of the music itself, then so be it, I’m past the ‘marketable age’ to be groomed into an image to sell my music that way and I find for myself the very idea of that distasteful anyway (not that there is anything wrong with it if it works for you – no disrespect intended).
I can honestly say, that even though this site has kept me thinking way more about my ex since I began reading and posting here, I am feeling sooo much better already than even a few weeks ago. Just finding the descriptions to recognize his crazy making style of ‘loving’ has helped tremendously and if anything has helped me to be less angry with him since I can see how damaged he really is. It wasn’t my fault after all!!
I was weak to allow myself to stay with him when my needs were no longer being met, but I am an authentically stronger person than he’ll ever know how to be because I can love for real. I can be vulnerable and honest with my emotions. That takes courage and a peace of mind he’ll likely never fully experience.
You guys have all made some awesome and very RIGHT ON posts up above…hold hands and listen to each other as you STAY on that road to healing and stay NC….BTW I’m still on the 1500 cal food plan (do not say the word DIET or I will puke!) and I’ve got a lot more than 6 pounds to lose (total) but about 6-10 pounds every 30 days is about right—and like Weight Watchers says IT’S FOR LIFE.
Our new LIFE PLANS (NC!!!!) is for life too! It must be, because we can’t go back to contact or we will lose everything we ever gained. TOWANDA!!!
Oxy you there?
OH MY ~! Oklahoma had an earth quake this morning, I live at the epicenter – i heard this loud explosion and the house shook for about ten seconds…..woo hoo…..back to work…
Jupiter, I can appreciate what you are saying. Hopeful was here one night, really desperate…..as we all have been…she just got a call from her ex and she cried out for help, so I wrote back my usual lengthy monologue. I’m really glad to hear you are feeling better. Like I said, it’s a DOUBLE edged sword. There is CERTAINLY the good in being here. But it reminds me of the speed addict who becomes born again. In my view (while it is a much better alternative), they have just substituted one addiction for another (we’re talking the fanatical kind here). Sometimes I feel as addicted to this site as I did to him. I am already saying…”Ok so you need to do this, this and this and then you are allowed 10 minutes on LF. I’d be here for HOURS otherwise. There was a time where I nearly killed myself (not joking) and I literally spent about 12 solid, straight hours (except for pee breaks), for THREE STRAIGHT DAYS reading the postings on this site. This site SAVED MY LIFE. So I am forever indebted.
I just got an email from You Know Who. Sigh. Seems I’m being tested on Day 3! Arghhhh…I’m going to ignore it. The email was one of those that normally would solicit a, “Are you fucking kidding me!?”, response from me. And then he’d accuses me of something that isn’t true, that I would then defend and then and then, and then, and then. We’ll I’m NOT coming out to fucking play! Forgive my language to any taking offense, here. I feel that the superlatives are required to accurately reflect the intensity of my thoughts.
EARTHQUAKE!!! Yep, I’m waiting for the BIG ONE. I was in LA in 1971 when the BIG one hit out there, I was 8 months preg with P-son, and watched the front yard roll like waves and sound like a train!
In 1982-3 when Ark had like 2500 “little ones” up to 3.5 which could be felt (most couldn’t be) Ii was there, and we’ve been having them lately up to a 4.0 (yesterday) and I’m nearly on the epicenter of them. The New Madrid (pronounced New Mad–rid) fault which in 1812 turned the Mississippi river BACKWARDS and though there were only a few thousand people living in the area at the time didn’t kill anyone, would now have caused BIG TIME problems on the order of Haiti in Memphis and other areas, is set to blow—over due you might say!
I’ve had earthquake insurance on my house forever, but most people don’t even know that their home owners doesn’t cover flood OR earthquake. It isn’t expensive, like $100 a year but worth it for sure!
SGMS—have you considered blocking his e mail or changing your e mail address, or putting up a spam folder that will grab his e mails before you see them, or just NOT READING THEM?
Why are you so afraid you will get addicted to LF? Or that you might have a “need” (right now) for this reinforcement and comforting place? You are sounding like a drunk who “doesn’t want to get dependent on AA” or a diabetic who doesn’t want to get “dependent on insulin”—there is nothing wrong with a person doing what they need to do to heal themselves.
Is it a “lack of strength” to need to go to the ER with a broken leg or put on a cast because you don’t want to “become dependent on a cast” to walk?
Get real GF–I still don’t know “who you are” and don’t “recognize the writing style” but I am glad that you are NC even for 3 days, because NOT being NC is the worst thing we can do for ourselves because it GIVES THEM BACK CONTROL.
Taking back our control to say to them, “NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO, I WILL NOT LET YOU RULE ME! I WILL NOT RESPOND TO YOUR VOMIT NO MATTER HOW VIOLENTLY YOU PROJECT IT!” That is POWER, THAT IS CONTROL, that is taking care of ourselves.
Say FARK or anything else you want to say, just stay NC! Stay in control. Stay powerful! It is your choice!
Touche Oxy, re: the ER and AA comment.
I just read your post above and CONGRATS on the weight loss and sticking to the 1500 Calorie Plan. LOL I’m the one who wrote the casino analogy.
No contact it is!
As for the email block, I can’t do that quite yet. Can’t explain. But it’s the last one on my list and I only have one left. LOL