My own observation is that psychopaths (since they are always bullying and blaming), start their sentences with YOU.
i.e.,
YOU made me . . . .
YOU didn’t . . . .
YOU should have . . . . .
YOU don’t ever . . .
YOU are . . . .
etc.
KatyDid
13 years ago
I don’t think it so much speech patterns as it is behavior patterns/thoughts that get reflected in speech.
Spaths don’t take responsibility so they are in blame mode. They don’t feel compassion so they speak with as much thought about eating as they do about killing. It is emotionally the same response.
My husband NEVER expressed anger towards me for anything I did wrong, but he’d become COLD tensely angry if I didn’t agree with his behavior; how DARE I (the worth less than nothing wife) think him wrong!
MiLo
13 years ago
I think what we can relate to is that their conversations are much more centered around physical needs – food, sex, money. They experience physical needs. They do not experience social needs – love, family, spiritual, therefore they do not talk about that, it is a foreign concept.
Does that make sense?
Stargazer
13 years ago
Mine did not show any of those characteristics except for the “ums” and “uhs” I noticed when he’d leave me a long voice message. Outside of the blatant inconsistencies in his stories, his speech patterns were completely normal. In fact, he seemed very genuine and sincere. I’m thinking I didn’t stay with him long enough to see the mask slip and get the full discard/devalue. Thank God.
Louise
13 years ago
Hosanna:
Haha! 🙂
creampuff
13 years ago
Good Post…..it makes me think of my 2 s path daughters….one bio and one step….there is only 2 years difference in their ages..they grew up together….totally different basic personalities, but also EXACTLY the same….it is so weird….both of them despise me (which I actually prefer, then they leave me alone) but one sent me a message via facebook and just this past week the other sent me a text. If you didn’t know it you would think they were from the same person !!! They both are in their mid 30’s and rarely even see each other, and yet the thinking process in both of them is identical. If you just ask an innocent question about something they did….they will come down on you like SCORCHED EARTH…they will use every curse word, throw up every single thing they THINK you did to them and it feels as if they are trying to pound you into the ground for even questioning them..then they try to turn their little kids against me….I am in a place now (thanks to prayer and this site) that they will never have the power to make me back down on anything ever again. If it costs me my marriage and not seeing my grandchildren again (and it just might) I am willing to do it. They have almost killed me, but not quite yet…I am trying to pull myself out of the pit they threw me into and they won’t get the chance to do it again. I am 55 and have found my voice and I am not afraid to use it. I am going to stand up for what’s right if it’s the last thing I do. Once you start speaking truth to these people, it’s like shining light on a vampire. The truth is not always easy and you will meet with a lot of resistance. Even my husband of 31 years thinks we should do ANYTHING to keep the peace with these girls for the sake of the kids. I can see where he is coming from, but I cannot stuff my feelings anymore. Backing down to evil does something to you…it guts you and you don’t even feel alive. They may be quiet for a while, but in the end it is just wrong to keep your mouth shut when you witness evil. Of course the S paths will call you judgmental and bring up all your own faults as ammunition to shut you up, but I don’t care anymore. I am going totally NC and my husband will just have to live with it or do what he has to do. I won’t allow myself to be pushed down anymore. I think God demands we stand up for morality, right and wrong and injustices done to the victims of these people. WE win in the end…..!
Back_from_the_edge
13 years ago
Good study and I agree with Ox and the first response made.
They are very astute at saying what they want and how and when. They will paint a picture for you that you will swallow. Trust me. When you have been on the receiving end of someone like that, it’s unmistakable. The only mistake “I” made was falling for it and not seeing the red flags.
Never trust a psychopath. I prefer to believe they never change because at least with an attitude like that, you have some chance of surviving their icy grip.
Dupey
Ox Drover
13 years ago
Dear Cream puff,
I hear the pain and also the strength in your post! I know how hard it must be for you to take that stand, to STAND up against everyone calling for “make peace”—well, we sacrifice way too much when we “make peace” with the enemy! There comes a time when we are like two wolves and a “peacefully” sheep deciding what to have for dinner. It can’t be done “peacefully.”
Keep on praying and realize that there “ain’t no way” to keep peace with some people…even Jesus couldn’t keep peace with the evil ones, though he tried.
It is difficult to “lose” those that we think we have—husband, family, friends—but in the end, Creampuff, you will find that those people were NOT all that important if they will sacrifice you to the evil ones in the Name of “peace.” THAT AIN’T PEACE! God bless.
panther
13 years ago
Hosanna! Nice to hear another person who is so glad to be OUT! I can relate to your post. My ex spath dramatized everything with his word selection.
I wanted to add a list of words here, just from my own personal experience. These words circulated on such a regular, daily basis that I started roll my eyes when they’d come up again. Just the fact that I can MAKE this list tells you how OFTEN I was hearing these words, in one context or another, ALL THE TIME within every conversation, in one way or another.
Here goes:
man
woman
assholes
whores
sin/sinner
demon
hell
Satan
redemption
redeem
darkness
blasphemy
reality
delusion
lie
truth/true
distortion
black out
Fugue Episode
Freudian
ethics
morality
superior(ity)
inferior(ity)
alpha
beta
phallic
virgin
episode
epiphany
war
dominance
proof
weak
tall
genes
facade
better
Oedipus
pure
purity
existential
drift(er)
dream(er)
deserve
right
wrong
degrade
derogatory
unstable
unshroud
mistake
damned
denial
manipulating
games
survive
kill
fight
innocent
must
have to
as a result
therefore
imma
havta
There were many more contractions that he’d just make up that weren’t used by anyone other than himself.
Anyways, next step of this study I think should be a classification of word TYPES, not just the words themselves. Let’s say, how many words are negative? How many positive? How many words relate to emotion? How many words relate to creation or story-telling? Then we’d get an even better picture. From the list above, I think (even as I was writing it) I’m seeing an inner world of the sociopath mind. If those are the words surfacing, imagine what the whole book must read like in there!!!! Yikes!!!!
kcwoman
13 years ago
This article and study, although very limitied, gave me SO much to think about. My ex talked incessantly about food and sex, to the point of obsession. During our year of living together, he worked 3 jobs for less than 3 weeks each and lied about all of them – telling me he was going to work each day and then going home (with MY car – he didn’t own one). He would regularly spend $00 a week on groceries – and I was the only one working, making $14/hour. He told me he had a brother who was killed in Vietnam and who had fathered a child (the child’s name was shown in his mother’s obituary, so he had to come up with something). Turned out he never had a brother and his three sisters don’t speak to him. The child – who is now 32 years old – is his. This man moved in with me from his downtown “condo” – which I never saw before he sold it. He actually moved into my house from the Mission – he was homeless, had no belongings except his (in many cases, nice and expensive) clothing. I can’t even begin to list his lies here. Sorry , I know I am rambling, but this is still very fresh to me. The last straw was when a woman came to my house who had met the path for dinner once, but had carried on an internet and phone relationship with him for two weeks. They were going to get married – seriously – and he had actually this lady drop him off at my house after their date. When he left his facebook open, I saw what had been going on and contacted her. She had been told I was his “stalker”. She confronted him at my house – and through a few meetings with him since then (where he leaves his email open at my house, or accidentally forgets his phone), I have learned that he hooks up with women constantly. By the way, this woman is a THERAPIST!!!! This man is 51 years old, has erectile dysfunction, alcohol issues and is obsessed with the idea of group sex. He is extremely intelligent, has an amazing sense of humor and is very charismatic. And I feel like the biggest idiot on the face of the earth. He even told me had gotten a master’s degree from George Washington and attended the Culinary Institute with Anthony Bourdain. What turned me from such a level-headed, happy, middle-aged grandmother into an idiot who would fall for this?
My own observation is that psychopaths (since they are always bullying and blaming), start their sentences with YOU.
i.e.,
YOU made me . . . .
YOU didn’t . . . .
YOU should have . . . . .
YOU don’t ever . . .
YOU are . . . .
etc.
I don’t think it so much speech patterns as it is behavior patterns/thoughts that get reflected in speech.
Spaths don’t take responsibility so they are in blame mode. They don’t feel compassion so they speak with as much thought about eating as they do about killing. It is emotionally the same response.
My husband NEVER expressed anger towards me for anything I did wrong, but he’d become COLD tensely angry if I didn’t agree with his behavior; how DARE I (the worth less than nothing wife) think him wrong!
I think what we can relate to is that their conversations are much more centered around physical needs – food, sex, money. They experience physical needs. They do not experience social needs – love, family, spiritual, therefore they do not talk about that, it is a foreign concept.
Does that make sense?
Mine did not show any of those characteristics except for the “ums” and “uhs” I noticed when he’d leave me a long voice message. Outside of the blatant inconsistencies in his stories, his speech patterns were completely normal. In fact, he seemed very genuine and sincere. I’m thinking I didn’t stay with him long enough to see the mask slip and get the full discard/devalue. Thank God.
Hosanna:
Haha! 🙂
Good Post…..it makes me think of my 2 s path daughters….one bio and one step….there is only 2 years difference in their ages..they grew up together….totally different basic personalities, but also EXACTLY the same….it is so weird….both of them despise me (which I actually prefer, then they leave me alone) but one sent me a message via facebook and just this past week the other sent me a text. If you didn’t know it you would think they were from the same person !!! They both are in their mid 30’s and rarely even see each other, and yet the thinking process in both of them is identical. If you just ask an innocent question about something they did….they will come down on you like SCORCHED EARTH…they will use every curse word, throw up every single thing they THINK you did to them and it feels as if they are trying to pound you into the ground for even questioning them..then they try to turn their little kids against me….I am in a place now (thanks to prayer and this site) that they will never have the power to make me back down on anything ever again. If it costs me my marriage and not seeing my grandchildren again (and it just might) I am willing to do it. They have almost killed me, but not quite yet…I am trying to pull myself out of the pit they threw me into and they won’t get the chance to do it again. I am 55 and have found my voice and I am not afraid to use it. I am going to stand up for what’s right if it’s the last thing I do. Once you start speaking truth to these people, it’s like shining light on a vampire. The truth is not always easy and you will meet with a lot of resistance. Even my husband of 31 years thinks we should do ANYTHING to keep the peace with these girls for the sake of the kids. I can see where he is coming from, but I cannot stuff my feelings anymore. Backing down to evil does something to you…it guts you and you don’t even feel alive. They may be quiet for a while, but in the end it is just wrong to keep your mouth shut when you witness evil. Of course the S paths will call you judgmental and bring up all your own faults as ammunition to shut you up, but I don’t care anymore. I am going totally NC and my husband will just have to live with it or do what he has to do. I won’t allow myself to be pushed down anymore. I think God demands we stand up for morality, right and wrong and injustices done to the victims of these people. WE win in the end…..!
Good study and I agree with Ox and the first response made.
They are very astute at saying what they want and how and when. They will paint a picture for you that you will swallow. Trust me. When you have been on the receiving end of someone like that, it’s unmistakable. The only mistake “I” made was falling for it and not seeing the red flags.
Never trust a psychopath. I prefer to believe they never change because at least with an attitude like that, you have some chance of surviving their icy grip.
Dupey
Dear Cream puff,
I hear the pain and also the strength in your post! I know how hard it must be for you to take that stand, to STAND up against everyone calling for “make peace”—well, we sacrifice way too much when we “make peace” with the enemy! There comes a time when we are like two wolves and a “peacefully” sheep deciding what to have for dinner. It can’t be done “peacefully.”
Keep on praying and realize that there “ain’t no way” to keep peace with some people…even Jesus couldn’t keep peace with the evil ones, though he tried.
It is difficult to “lose” those that we think we have—husband, family, friends—but in the end, Creampuff, you will find that those people were NOT all that important if they will sacrifice you to the evil ones in the Name of “peace.” THAT AIN’T PEACE! God bless.
Hosanna! Nice to hear another person who is so glad to be OUT! I can relate to your post. My ex spath dramatized everything with his word selection.
I wanted to add a list of words here, just from my own personal experience. These words circulated on such a regular, daily basis that I started roll my eyes when they’d come up again. Just the fact that I can MAKE this list tells you how OFTEN I was hearing these words, in one context or another, ALL THE TIME within every conversation, in one way or another.
Here goes:
man
woman
assholes
whores
sin/sinner
demon
hell
Satan
redemption
redeem
darkness
blasphemy
reality
delusion
lie
truth/true
distortion
black out
Fugue Episode
Freudian
ethics
morality
superior(ity)
inferior(ity)
alpha
beta
phallic
virgin
episode
epiphany
war
dominance
proof
weak
tall
genes
facade
better
Oedipus
pure
purity
existential
drift(er)
dream(er)
deserve
right
wrong
degrade
derogatory
unstable
unshroud
mistake
damned
denial
manipulating
games
survive
kill
fight
innocent
must
have to
as a result
therefore
imma
havta
There were many more contractions that he’d just make up that weren’t used by anyone other than himself.
Anyways, next step of this study I think should be a classification of word TYPES, not just the words themselves. Let’s say, how many words are negative? How many positive? How many words relate to emotion? How many words relate to creation or story-telling? Then we’d get an even better picture. From the list above, I think (even as I was writing it) I’m seeing an inner world of the sociopath mind. If those are the words surfacing, imagine what the whole book must read like in there!!!! Yikes!!!!
This article and study, although very limitied, gave me SO much to think about. My ex talked incessantly about food and sex, to the point of obsession. During our year of living together, he worked 3 jobs for less than 3 weeks each and lied about all of them – telling me he was going to work each day and then going home (with MY car – he didn’t own one). He would regularly spend $00 a week on groceries – and I was the only one working, making $14/hour. He told me he had a brother who was killed in Vietnam and who had fathered a child (the child’s name was shown in his mother’s obituary, so he had to come up with something). Turned out he never had a brother and his three sisters don’t speak to him. The child – who is now 32 years old – is his. This man moved in with me from his downtown “condo” – which I never saw before he sold it. He actually moved into my house from the Mission – he was homeless, had no belongings except his (in many cases, nice and expensive) clothing. I can’t even begin to list his lies here. Sorry , I know I am rambling, but this is still very fresh to me. The last straw was when a woman came to my house who had met the path for dinner once, but had carried on an internet and phone relationship with him for two weeks. They were going to get married – seriously – and he had actually this lady drop him off at my house after their date. When he left his facebook open, I saw what had been going on and contacted her. She had been told I was his “stalker”. She confronted him at my house – and through a few meetings with him since then (where he leaves his email open at my house, or accidentally forgets his phone), I have learned that he hooks up with women constantly. By the way, this woman is a THERAPIST!!!! This man is 51 years old, has erectile dysfunction, alcohol issues and is obsessed with the idea of group sex. He is extremely intelligent, has an amazing sense of humor and is very charismatic. And I feel like the biggest idiot on the face of the earth. He even told me had gotten a master’s degree from George Washington and attended the Culinary Institute with Anthony Bourdain. What turned me from such a level-headed, happy, middle-aged grandmother into an idiot who would fall for this?