Lovefraud recently received the following letter from a reader:
My ex has almost all the characteristics I have read on your site. He lies habitually, is financially irresponsible, and lets the burden fall on friends and family, and he started to burden me from the beginning financially on a small scale. I had hints in the beginning that he was a jerk when he disrespected my father (I wasn’t sure at the time if it was on purpose, or inadvertent), but at the same time it was confusing because he seemed so pleasant, helpful and charming. He also cooked for me every night and helped me with my kids, but as far as work goes, he was lazy and lied about working at times. He borrowed small amounts of money from me, which I stopped lending him right away; I was not stupid about him in that respect. At the end he lived with me for 4 months, and never contributed much financially, that’s one reason I ended it finally. And the lying got to be too much; I don’t know what I was thinking. I do not know of any infidelity, but I suppose it’s possible.
His family actually admitted to me that he lies all the time, that’s just him. He finally admitted it to me in a round about way that he does lie, but he said that his family finds it “endearing” of all things!!
He also got psycho when I broke it off, just like in your article — he even admitted himself to the hospital complaining of heart problems. He was there 2 days and was then sent home as being fine, and they sent him home with Xanex. While he was there he called me for pity, saying he was there because I broke up with him.
But what throws me off a little is that he appears to be, if anything, abnormally attached to his daughter. It seems overbearing at times. Later in our relationship I saw sometimes total disregard for her in other less obvious ways, which I found off. The other thing that throws me off is he was very physically affectionate with me, and very clingy, almost codependent that way. And he does have friends from childhood who live out of state (who I have met) but he’s lived in Florida for about 10 years and has no real friends here. He is very close with his family.
Could he still be a sociopath???
Psychopathy syndrome
Psychopathy, also called sociopathy, is a syndrome. A syndrome is defined as “a group of symptoms that together are characteristic of a specific disorder, disease or the like.”
The key symptoms of psychopathy, according to Dr. Robert Hare, are the following:
- Glib and superficial
- Egocentric and grandiose
- Lack of remorse or guilt
- Lack of empathy
- Deceitful and manipulative
- Shallow emotions
- Impulsive
- Poor behavior controls
- Need for excitement
- Lack of responsibility
- Early behavior problems
- Adult antisocial behavior
However, not all psychopaths have all the symptoms. Plus, psychopaths can have the symptoms to varying degrees. For example, some—perhaps the one described in the letter—may not have a pronounced need for excitement. They may be content to find some chump to support them and then sit on their butts. But if the person had all the other traits—well, he or she may very well have the personality disorder.
Holding on to hope
I’ve heard from several Lovefraud readers who seem to be holding on to the hope that a person is not a psychopath because he or she doesn’t exhibit one of the behaviors. One woman said that although her boyfriend exhibited all the other traits, he never tried to get money from her, so maybe he wasn’t really a psychopath. Another wrote that her boyfriend would kiss her with what seemed like such depth of emotion—how could he be lacking in empathy?
One of the markers of a budding psychopath is that as a child, he or she is cruel to animals. My ex-husband, James Montgomery, seemed to love animals. He owned several dogs and took mine for a walk every morning. He brought home four exotic pets—a hedgehog, two sugar gliders, and a chinchilla. Once the chinchilla got loose and caught his foot in a humidifier, which sent him into shock. My husband performed chinchilla CPR, and the animal recovered. Did any of this make him less of a psychopath? Absolutely not. He was quite happy to take a quarter million dollars from me, cheat on me throughout our short marriage, have a child with another woman and then commit bigamy to marry her.
Don’t quibble about one missing trait
So, here is how I replied to the letter above:
There are degrees to which someone can be a sociopath—some are worse than others. It is also possible to have several personality disorders or conditions at the same time. This is called “co-morbidity.” Your ex definitely sounds like he has sociopathic traits, but he could also have other problems.
The attention paid to his daughter could be for show. Sociopaths often act like they care—when it is all a charade. The fact that he also disregarded her is telling.
Sociopaths are highly sexual. It may be difficult to tell whether there was actual affection involved.
Whatever his problems are, it is good that you are away from him.
If someone has come into your life who has most of the symptoms of a psychopath, don’t quibble about the one or two that may not be very pronounced. When most of the traits are present, run, don’t walk, for the nearest exit.
Let’s counter control ALL spaths to those states and do a Bonnie and Clyde thing with em…..Set up all up there!
🙂
Oxy,
I don’t believe in the death penalty in any case. I would like to think we are better than the spaths and locking them up for life would serve justice just as well. Maybe its naive, but I just don’t agree with it.
Rosa-Your comment about being ‘on display’ is right on. Mine is always running errands and mowing the lawn. Whenever he does anything, he acts like everbody is watching him. He even kind of struts when he takes the dog for a walk. He truely thinks he’s so important and people are all watching him.
Hope:
My opinion is FRY em!
I’ve lost my patience with any murdering criminal and all the peeps they hurt. I certainly don’t want to support them in prison…..or their attornies.
They do go on ‘show’. Yeah……they like to be ‘seen’.
Funny thing …..I pulled on my inner Sociopath after the article of spath being busted recently…..and the day the article came out…..I went into town to ‘be seen’ because I knew people had seen it and I wanted to be available to chat the small town gossip with them and answer any questions about his doings.
We just gotta know when to use our inner spathology.
ErinBrock,
What a proud moment! I would have loved to see you making your way through town. It must have felt so good. Yep they fool everyone with their freaking welcome wagon.
Supporting spaths in prison doesn’t make sense because they will never be reformed but the alternative is beyond what I believe in. Either way they will burn, just one way is quicker than the other.
ErinBrock:
I would just call that trip to town good old-fashioned Vindication. 🙂
“Poetic Justice”…if you will.
Making my way through town????? Ahum…..more like pranced! 🙂
It wasn’t my humblest of moments.
Of course…..I got all dressed up, with the make up and bouncy hair…..for my date on the town….’to be seen’.
As people commented on his mugshot…..they said….wow….and you look so good…you must be doing well now you have him out of your life….
(smirk, smirk).
Uh, yeah…..ya think?!!!
It was a fantastic day!!!!!!!
Rosa….your so right!!!
Poetic justice AND vindication.
Dear ErinB,
Did he get out on bail so he could return to florida?
I don’t blame you in the least for prancing through town, but you know, EB, the helium balloons and the siren were a bit MUCH, don’t you think??? LOL ROTFLMAO
The ONLY thing I have against frying them is the fact that there ARE cases of INNOCENT (not technical “not guilty” but real cases of DID NOT DO IT) people being sent to prison. I can’t bear the thought of the state murdering an innocent person. Right now, there are 2 guys in prison for murder in Arkansas and one on death row for the same crime that I firmly believe DID NOT DO IT. It is bad enough they’ve spent 17 years in prison, but to have died would have been so much worse. (See: “West Memphis three”) Also, prison is no cake walk and it has got to gall the Ps to be locked up.
Our “IN-justice” system needs fixing badly but I don’t have a lot of confidence it will be fixed any time soon.
i have put three cats down. one was really the love of my life. it’s almost a decade ago and i still feel like i murdered him. he was dying; and it wasn’t going to be an easy death – but i still carry this around with me. the other two i let go of long ago. i had nursed him for almost 2 years…guess we were trauma bonded, too. i had come to buddhism between the first two and the last, and buddhism treats causing death in a particular way. lets just say that it’s not good for one’s (ha) karma to cause death. killing is worse, but causing is also quite negative.
now, why am i talking about this?
the ppath.
thinking – if i could do anything that would cause her to be put to death, would i?
i think i would. and i could square it with myself – as it would be saving others mountains of pain.
if she lives another 20 years, and she messes with about 20 people a year – then i would have protected 400 people. one death is worth that. and of those 400, probably about 1/4 get really messed up by her – so 100 hundred people saved from what i am going through, or worse. still worth it. but i don’t get to do this. and i don’t get to take her to court, cause she didn’t steal my money.
we all have out own views, and for different reasons. i live in a country where bear spray and tazers are illegal. in a country where it is not easy to own a gun. and illegal to carry one. or keep one loaded. and to not have it locked up in a separate cabinet from the damn ammo. and where cap punishment is outlawed.so for me to come to this place of thinking – yah, the death penalty is a good thing is pretty extreme. we could save so many people.
i really understand the fear of innocent people being accused. especially given the classism and racism in the justice system.
but i think what it really comes down to is – which innocent people die? those who are killed by the killers, or those killed by the state? think about it.
i know i don’t get a choice. but if i had one, i’d take it to put sociopaths to death. they are destructive, and nothing good ever comes of them or their being in this world.
Pretty sure he’s NOT stopped his activities.
Sure hasn’t got a job yet.
Recently he posted about illegal aliens rants on FB.
Pretty funny since he’s a DRUG DEALER!
But this tells me a friend of mine is due to be ‘attacked’ again…..he’s repeating himself now….with his rants….this was one he was on 3 years ago and caused a great deal of disruption for my friend calling homeland security on him. (BTW, he’s legal…and spath knows this….I HELPED him get his green card AND we had a party for him when he got it)
Anyways…..he went on and on about illegals not paying for healthcare and not paying taxs or car insurance etc…….i’m thinking he MUST have paid tax’s on that 58K in drugs he got busted for huh????? Oh, EB….he MUST have. barf, barf….loogie!
Whenever he starts going hardcore with the pot/kettle deal…..he’s up to something.
I’ll counter control him…..and notify authorities in Fl and inform them of his recent arrest….and they may want to keep an eye on him…..I got his ‘players’ in Fl also.
Now he’s one i’d elect for the sizzle chair!!!!
I can’t wait for the day he’s locked up and can only hurt other prisoners……OR maybe that will be the time he finally meets HIS match……BEND OVER BABY!!!!!