Editor’s note: Be sure to read both articles that Ox Drover links to.
By Ox Drover
I ran across two articles in NY Times that sort of got me to thinking about how it sometimes does pay off to act like a psychopath—in business or other ways.
The following (quite long) article tells how an Internet seller terrorized his customer. I think that many people who have been the victims of psychopathic-like stalking can relate to this woman’s story. The fact that it was over such a relatively small amount of money is amazing to me, though. The lengths to which this stalker pursued his victim are also amazing to me.
Read A bully finds a pulpit on the web on NewYorkTimes.com.
This follow up article tells how, eventually, through the persistence of the victim in pursuing justice for the bullying psychopathic-like stalking she got from the abuser, it turned out that the man didn’t get away with his campaign, and now local, state and federal authorities are getting on the band wagon to go after this guy.
Read U.S. arrests online seller who scared customers on NewYorkTimes.com.
The guy even got denied bail. Yea for that judge “getting it.” It will be interesting to me to see how this plays out and just how much real jail/prison time this guy actually gets. While I can’t diagnose someone out of the newspaper, I really do feel that this man fits the criteria for many of the traits of a psychopath and he definitely is a stalker.
WOW, that’s hella snow!!!! I live in Oregon State and while we have snow in the mountains we have WAY too much of our share of rain here! It’s very cold right now, but not enough to snow. Just kinda that bone chillin rain cold stuff.
You BOTH were Nurses? OMG!!!! I feel a kinship! LOL! Ox, your story just amazes me, truly. Candy, I relate so much to yours and what you’re describing so well. I feel a sense of relief and release here like I’ve not EVER felt before anywhere else. It feels so good to be understood!
Thank you for your encouragement about staying put. Because of the instability created for my children in my involvement with Spath, I just don’t feel comfortable ripping them from what has created long time connections and familiarity with what they know as home. I would love NOTHING more than to move. And it WOULD be running away lol! But they are important to me and they deserve the stability. They did not create this situation, and they do not deserve any consequences such as that either.
Ox, I’m doing medical coding. I absolutely LOVE it. I HATE the billing part of it, but LOVE the coding! My brain is rather cheesy too and I wouldn’t feel comfortable putting a patient’s life in my hands at this point in my life. I have insomnia too and lack of sleep severely affects my ability to think clearly at times! I love patients enough to NOT do direct care, but safer just volunteering and showing as much love as I can. Hospice was wonderful and I absolutely loved my patients! EVER single interraction with them was an opportunity for growth and HUMILITY! I can’t wait to be able to go back.
Candy, what you’re saying is so right on, i can’t even tell you. Thank you all so very very much for your powerful insights and invaluable willingness to share with me. That too, is very empowering! Thank you for encouraging decisions that I feel I’m making when I feel I’m doubting myself. I’m still in the fog a bit I think.
Oh, and could ya pass some of that snow this way? We’d LOVE it here! 🙂
I thought EB was KIDDING when she said “10 ft. of snow” though I know she lives in mountains, but when I saw the news and it said that in some areas thgere will be 10 ft of snow! I thought WOW!!!! Supposed to be some BIG STORM out west, and was just one in east, clear down to freezing in the Florida Keyes. DAMN, so much for GLOBAL WARMING!
England and UK and Europe have been pounded by snow too and are expecting it to be worse before it gets better. The news said the other day that 39% of continental US was UNDER SOME SNOW! We didn’t have any here but you never know this time of year.
One year we had 2 weeks+ when we were OUT of power, and that also meant no central heat and no water and lots of other problems. I jerked out my electric stove and installed a gas one so I can at least COOK when there is no power….and I do NOT drive or travel on ice or bad roads. I remember when I thought I HAD TO as if I wasn’t there the hospital would close down so I would risk my life to get there, and then stay for days or even a week one time without leaving.
Glad you are doing the medical billing coding and so on, it is important with the way we pay for our medical care now. I hated it when I worked in the clinics because I had to find a “code” that matched what I thought the patient needed! Not always easy and I was always fighting wiht the office manager about it. LOL
Here is an interesting article about a bully (psychopath) that terrorized an entire town for years and what happened to him.
This is an UNUSUAL case and an UNUSUAL RESULT, and I am not saying that we should have to take matters into our own hands, but it is usual that when two people know a secret, it only works if only one of them is alive. For an entire town to keep a SECRET this big is amazing to me, and shows just how much these people had “taken” from this man.
There was also a television program about the death of this man that I saw, can’t remember the name of it or the date, just that I saw it.
Interesting case of it NOT PAYING to be a psychopath though. Thought you guys might like the link.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/16/us/16bully.html?_r=1&WT.mc_id=NN-PS-E-OB-PS-TXT-TH-ROS-1010-NA&WT.mc_ev=click
Ox,
That’s what I love about coding. The challenge. It’s investigative and keeps my mind very busy! Always having to learn more and more. Yep, finding a code can be a pain in the arse for sure! lol!
What was your introduction into the medical field?
I come from a long line of physicians (back before the civil war on P-sperm d0nor’s side.) Grandfather and Grandmother both docs, P quit school in 3 rd or 4th grade and started running away so never graduated grade school but VERY bright and educated himself in many fields, but 2 of his sibs were MDs, 1 of his other kids is an MD, and his uncles and so on on his paternal side. I never wanted to be a physician though, but did want to go into nursing and my egg donor didn’t want me to, because BELIEVE THIS OR NOT, women who were nurses actually SAW NAKED MEN and that made them less than “moral.” DUH!!!! Yep! Actually that wasn’t just my egg donor’s idea but a hold over from when many nurses were either Nuns, Ugly old maids, hookers or tramps and it was not an honorable profession in some cultures.
After I divorced I needed a job/profession I could make a living with, so went into a 4 yr nursing BS program, then in mid stride, transferred to a Medical University for an advanced practice program called “Registered Nurse Practitioner” and went on from there. Worked as both an RN and as an RNP in free standing rural health clinics and psych out patient clinics and in patient clinics/locked units.
After my husband died in a plane crash here at our farm/airport, I was so shell shocked I wasn’t safe to practice any more—short term memory for cheet! So took disability and retired. Retirement was difficult, as nursing had been such a part of my identity for so long, now it is not so bad, I have plenty of other interests too, and it has allowed me to not have to “function” in the real world at work (very stressful and precise) at the same time I am fighting off psychopaths. It does push one into adjusting their spending, but I’ve got everything I need and most of what I want and don’t owe anyone anything so I am a very blessed person in so many different ways.
God has been good to be and though I gripe about my low sodium diet (I WANT SALT!!!!!! OH LORD HOW I WANT SALT! Cheese, ham, bacon, etc!) LOL if that is the worst thing I have to grouse about, it can’t get much better!
I finally gave in to the coder and the office manager at the clinics and learned about what I had to do to qualify for what code as far as patient care was concerned. and Most of the time I could find some code that would take care of what the patient needed and the clinic still get paid, but if it was the patient or the code, the patient always won!
Ox,
It would be interesting to hear some of your Nursing Horror stories LOL! I wonder if Nursing School was easier back then, than it now? I can’t see how it would EVER be a profession that would be put into a negative light! I have so many friends that are Nurses and they bust BUTT and really care about their patients! It’s the beauracracy (sp) and politics of it that drives them NUTS! There appears to be an overload of accountability now in Nursing, to the point of paranoia. ONE mistake could be extremely costly! I couldn’t do it! In coding, I figure I can help the patient, but it will be in a more indirect way. That’s what I love about it. The “new” HIPPA laws make things very challenging as well now. I HATE the insurance/billing end of it. DESPISE it, but I have to learn to change my attitude about that because it goes right along with the coding! UGH!!!
Salt? ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh how I get that, my dear!! I salt EVERYTHING and I’m not suppose too!!! There just isn’t enough salt in the world for me lol!!! So I don’t know how you do it!!!
I can’t believe your ex P has a family full of Physicians. That’s just plain scary!!!
I often wonder, with P’s that have careers like this, …..how is it with whom and what they are, particularly concering patient care, or if a surgeon….that there is any healthy functioning in caring for the patient? Could you enlighten me on that one? I don’t get it!!!
My brain is a bit cheesy today, so forgive me if my articulation is bordering on the appearance of illiteracy!
Dear lesson learned,
I’ve known quite a few physicians that I think were HIGH in the traits of a psychopath, my grandmother was one, though I did not know her as she died a few eyars before I was born but from all the stories I heard she would have qualified.
Most of the MDs I know who are physicians that are surgeons and high in P traits are pretty good at what they do and their interaction with patients is limited, they mostly vent their spleens on staff, in fact one that I despise and think is a complete psychopath is the one I would call if I needed surgery.
Ones that are in clinical practice with patients and are so arrogant they don’t listen to patients or value patients as people, they are some pretty sorry physicians I think.
What do you call the doctor who finished last in his medical school class—doctor of course! LOL But some of the nastiest most hateful people who are physicians and high in arrogance and narcissism I don’t think make good physicians because they are too arrogant to learn from the patients. I have found that if you listen to the patient the patient will TELL you what is wrong with them. They may not know the medical term for it but they will point you in the right direction.
The historical idea that nurses were not “nice women” was from years and years ago, even back before the Civil War era, and there was some hold over in my community and culture. My step dad’s sister was a nurse but she was a nun, and an “old maid” so it was OK I guess for her but not for me.
Hospitals were also considered “pest holes” as well and the only people who went there were the poverty stricken, without families to care for them, or to die. It was only in the last few generations that hospitals were not feared by certain segments of the population. My grandfather built the first hospital in this county in 1920 and many of the people were still afraid to bring their loved ones to a hospital, and they would come and camp on the lawn with their teams and wagons. He still did some surgery in homes, and most babies were born in the home, even then.
After his hospital went bankrupt and some nursing sisters (Catholic) built a 14 bed hospital the local people feared it for several reasons, one being that the Catholics would never allow the baby to be sacrificed to save the mother (which in those days early or pre-C-section was fairly common) I have heard my grandfather tell of having to dismember a LIVING infant caught in the birth canal and take it out in pieces to save the mother’s life. This was not allowed in the Catholic hospital even to save the mother’s life or even if the baby was known to be dead just in the “off chance” the baby might have been alive. In the primarily protestant community, the mother’s life was more valuable than even a living infant, especially when there were other kids at home that needed the mother more than the family needed another mouth to feed. That pretty well prevailed until C – sections became common in that kind of situation when I was in high school in the mid 1960s.
How much of western society has changed its views on some things and not on others, and how for example gays are generally more accepted now in the US but in several countries it is still a capital offense. I can remember when it was a crime and people went to prison for it even if it was consensual and private (if they could prove it). It was like a witch hunt.
Aussie Girl…..I almost fell off my chair at your description! Hollow …no reflection….no echo!!!! Perfectly said…..how the person kind of took on your hobbies, etc…..I used to hate that when I was raising my spath step daughter…..if she found out I liked a song……then all of a sudden it was her favorite…..if I had friends over she would butt all up in our business like she was one of us…..never has had any personalitly that was unique to her…..at all…..I remember her as a child and she didn’t have many friends…..I would hear them say….”she just doesn’t have any personality”…..she would steal little phrases that I would say and I would hear her randomly use them to others and it would make my skin crawl…..she floats on the waves of today…..never thinking about tomorrow or becoming her own person…..she reminds me of a parasite that cannot exist without a host body to feed off of…..and usually that host never knows that something is sucking away at them until she has pretty much drained them….then it’s on to a new one…..I know it is futal, but I wish so much that I had NEVER laid eyes on her…..you wish you could just “flick them off” , but they hang on tight, make you doubt your sanity….and even if you do succeed in getting away from them ..they are still in your thoughts…still in your rear view mirror….don’t you all wish you had the time back that you have spent wondering what their next move is…or why they did something or said something…..always trying to figure them out….my normal baby daughter moved 1200 miles away from her sisters and it still bugs her…..the only thing that has ever helped me is getting on here, venting a while and then go on with my life……Merry Christmas friends!
Ox Drover,
Saw your post above.
Well, the USDA allows it so there it is.
I got on dating site tonight. A cute young guy IM ‘d me. Ok, i reponded. While we were chatting, his picture flickered to a picture of an older man. He asked me if I noticed anything. I posted yes I noticed and that I was not impressed with the young guy picture cause I didn’t trust it, but now I don’t trust the guy who is deceiving with pictures. Cause I would have chatted with the real person, but because he faked his photo, I question his honesty.,
It reminds me of that episode of Seinfeld where George wears a wedding ring to attract women and it backfires.