From time to time, Lovefraud receives email from people who identify themselves as sociopaths. Here’s one that came in recently:
I have read your website, and i am not impressed. You give the impression that all sociopaths are murderers and haters, incapable of loving, and should be thrown away as a tragedy to the human race. You do not mention the difference between a high-functioning sociopath and a low-functioning sociopath. I happen to be a high-functioning sociopath, and your website is all lies and misguided information, and whats worse, you gain money out of creating a stigma of us, and abusing the victims of certain relationships, which although do happen, aren’t generally what high functioning sociopaths are about. Who’s the one with no conscience? I would say you.
I have no emotion, i use logic to understand what is happening. I mimic emotions of others because i know that it is important to my survival that i display emotion or otherwise people become scared. Is that really so bad? Yes, perhaps i play mind games with people because i grow so bored, but that doesn’t really harm them does it? People get over it. I don’t go out murdering puppies and kittens, and laugh like a comic villain. I may have mistreated some animals, but never with the intent of doing so. I may have hurt some people, but they get over it. I’m the one who has to pay for their hurt, they threaten my survival when they retaliate. I flirt with people a lot, but so do a lot of people, not just sociopaths. I do have some emotion, even if it is limited. I can pretend to have an emotion to convince myself. I act simply to feel.
You ’empaths’ only have emotions so that you are scared of us, when all we are are bored, and confused harmless cheeky rascals. And to point out, adult sociopaths usually stop being sociopaths after the age of 30, so its not ‘incurable’ as soon as they become an adult. You try living in a world that is black and white, where any emotion has to be forced, and you have to copy others expression, and you’re always so very bored, because i am, so bored. You can’t blame us for needing some excitement, to survive we must have a way out of our boredom. You know nothing about what you say. We have a soul, we just can’t access it as easily as everyone else.
Born with the genes
The person who wrote this letter, I was able to determine, is an attractive young woman. I’ll ignore her mischaracterizations of Lovefraud—we are obviously well aware that sociopaths are not all murderers, because most of us were involved with sociopaths who didn’t kill anyone. Beyond that, her letter provides a good insight into the reality of sociopaths, with all their rationalizations and excuses.
Even so, I do feel sorry for them.
Sociopathy is highly genetic, and no sociopaths asked to be born they way they are. No sociopaths asked for manipulative parents or uncaring home environments that pushed them further along the path towards disorder. That’s the hand they were dealt, and it’s truly sad.
Even sadder is the fact that they don’t know it’s sad. It’s like someone born blind, who doesn’t comprehend vision. Or someone born deaf, who can’t understand what music may be. They were born with a limited or nonexistent ability to love, and whatever love they did have was probably snuffed out by their own disordered parents. Instead, they have an overactive appetite for power and control.
Like this young woman, sociopaths are aware that they are different. But most of them don’t care. In fact, they take pride in their ability to exercise power, and look down on the rest of us. We are merely marks to be exploited.
Lessen the disorder
This young woman also said that people stop being sociopaths at the age of 30. There is no scientific evidence that sociopathy can be cured. The best we can usually hope for is that sociopaths will decide to comply with the mores of society, if only because it’s in their own self-interest. They do have the power to decide that following the rules is more convenient and causes them less aggravation than violating them.
Can sociopaths actually lessen their disorder? Dr. Liane Leedom is hopeful, although she recognizes that it is extremely difficult. The fact is that many brain characteristics and functions contribute to sociopathy, and the human brain is not static. Beliefs and behaviors can cause chemical and structural changes in the brain. So if sociopaths were really committed to changing their ideas, and engaged in activities that fostered empathy, their brain structures could change. An individual willing to attempt this would probably have a lesser degree of disorder to begin with, so maybe he or she would already have seeds of caring buried within, seeds that could grow into a degree of empathy.
Inaccessible soul
I was struck by the last sentence of the letter:
We have a soul, we just can’t access it as easily as everyone else.
I actually think that the young woman is right about this. The souls of sociopaths are buried under so much negativity—anger, hatred, aggression, coldness, envy and the desire for power—that the souls can’t be felt.
I don’t think those of us who have been damaged by sociopaths should attempt to help them. Our first duty is to ourselves, to our own health and recovery. But I believe that we’re all connected, and maybe in whatever communication we may have with a higher power, we can pray for them. It might take a long time, but maybe it will do some good.
Even if we don’t see any improvement in particular individuals, praying will help ourselves. Bitterness only prolongs our own misery and harms our own health. Perhaps offering prayers, from a safe distance, will make a difference all the way around.
mayo1 – yes, it’s anthropomorphizing. and we empathetic types do it all the time with spaths. it’s one of our weaknesses that they exploit.
Hey One/Joy,
That’s funny about your ex and the taxi cab story. I once dated a woman who was the same way: I thought we had something in common because she was all into going to Meditation Class, Yoga, and so forth. But I gradually began to notice that she would fly into a rage over the most trivial things! (At the checkout line, at restaurants, etc. Hell, she even got into a fight with the other Yoga teacher!) So I finally came to accept that she was pretty much just out of her mind!
I’m glad you are into Buddhism, by the way. I was a Philosophy/Religious Studies Major in college, but my real passion has always been Eastern Spirituality. I’m more of a Vedantin myself, but I love DT Suzuki, Alan Watts, etc. So keep on going with your practice, it’s good to know that you have an interest in such things!
Oh…..and when I pray…..it’s to ANY GOD which chooses to listen…….I am a non denominational- cross culteral-any language prayer for the sharks. 🙂
ah yes, EB, but always a theist!
Constantine,
My n ex and I lived in different cites, so I didn’t get a chance to watch her interact with her own peer group before i became interested in her. (Her friends were her ex (they had been together 7 years) and all the women she was currently shagging), plus a few folks from before her 7 year relationship took her from that city. That and given that she was reestablishing herself made her lack of intimate friendships seem natural to me. I too have moved and had only a couple of friends at that time).
We spent a lot of time alone when we were together at the beginning, and as we started to spend more time out in the world, I started to see the same behaviors, plus a diversion method of what i can only describe as maniacy. She would fixate on something that she thought was funny (once it was the size of a muffin), and laugh crazily and before VERY upset with pissy me if i didn’t find it funny. The muffin ‘ incident went on for an hour. She was really trying to avoid dealing with something and said a long time afterward that she was very scared about something. For her very scared led to an armouring and submissiveness that was particularly painful to me.
She was very concerned with racism, but had no problem treating immigrant waiters like crap. She felt very entitle somehow – i didn’t know about narcissism at the time….
she was admittedly very bright and well educated, cute in a way that I had never encountered before, hyper sexual (which after 18 years alone was a big deal for me), charming, funny, loved to lay with words, and had a curiosity about things. All traits that I was quite attracted to.
Unfortunately the other traits were ugly, and i didn’t know what was wrong with her. I just didn’t get some of what she did or said at all. She too was supposedly a Buddhist. ha. ha. ha – she tried very hard to would me around Buddhism, and she did. So when the spath tried I laughed in the face of her efforts. I had built a strong wall around my ‘religiosity’; but the spath wounds were of a spiritual nature – targeting many aspects of my life and core.
I think the damage done to our spirituality (and/or religious beliefs) by the psychopaths who use this as just another “hook” to control us is as damaging or more so than just about any other tactic or hook that they use. It seems to me to wound is DEEPER than other types of injuries. More difficult to heal.
One, watching your X throw a fit because the cab driver didn’t get her to MEDITATION on time is such a RED FLAG, and for me to watch my egg donor LIE to me, while BERATING ME for lying (when I was telling the truth) is also such a “tell” that it is a RED BANNER, not just a red flag. LOL WAtching what they say VERSUS what they DO is one of the greatest ways that we can learn to recognize that “something is off. No one is 100% consistent, but most of us are consistent in acting the way we truly BELIEVE, so if the person says they believe X and they behave Y, we know there is something off….and I am for “believing” that their BEHAVIOR IS CONSISTENT WITH THEIR BELIEFS more than against them.
To honestkindgiver, you wrote
“My spath [] told me, “I lied a lot as a kid growing up.” [] His brother told me, “He is low on guilt.” [that your spath] seemed pretty unconcerned how hard I worked, or how tired I was, or if I felt sick or poorly. His other brother told me, “You seem to have an excessive need to talk about things.” Spath told me, ‘you talk too much’ ”
Yeah, mine was like that, too. Wish someone in HIS family told me if/when he “lied a lot as a kid growing up” or that HE had admitted it, to me.. that Children of the Corn “silence” from his siblings should have been a BIG “tell” for me. It is just that WE know HOW to express ourselves, our feelings..THEY don’t, but are experts at faking them..
Zim
These posts got funny today. ErinBroc and One/Joy are cracking me up. By the way, though, One/Joy, I might have to side with your ex on this one if I saw the muffin. I mean, how funny of a muffin are we talkin about here? <—-that's my bad sarcasm again which nobody ever seems to get, but I just keep trying. One day I'll get it right. 🙁
Then OX comes along and tells a story of an spath lying and berating her for lying while she is telling the truth all in one breath, and MAN OH MAN doesn't that just sound like the metaphor for my whole last 1.5 years. The thing is, when he did this, I was so focused on my confusion in thinking that he didn't know how absurd what he was doing was. I kept thinking I needed to help this poor logically deficient person who doesn't see the error in their rationalizing. Then I finally realized he was doing that on freaking purpose so that I'd be too busy trying to figure out how he could possibly find his explanation rational to find time for seeing what his actions were accomplishing for him. Jerk. I agree with Mel that we don't see it right away because we don't think or function that way, so it's not even on the menu of possible explanations for us. Didn't even cross my mind that someone would INTENTIONALLY be THAT cruel. I still cannot stomach a single bit of his existence. It's unnatural that these people live like this. I don't know if I will ever be able to face how cruel he was.
I saw it in his eyes sometimes. Then I'd just try to shake it off.
Sometimes his eyes.
He looked actually possessed by something purely dark and of another world. He'd glare maliciously into the distance as though every fiber of his being was longing to destroy something.
It was this gaze as though he was both in agonizing pain and full of the most contemptuous, volcanic hate. Positively seething. It was the kind of look I might give if someone brutally tortured and murdered my own child right in front of me. Except he'd give this look over coffee while sitting at breakfast on any given day for no apparent reason.
Then he'd look up at me and smile, call me baby, and I'd forget what I'd seen.
One/Joy,
Okay, this is getting funny! I was just going to tell One/Joy what a “red flag” the taxi driver incident was, but I see that Oxy has already beat me to it!
But yes, that’s so important to remember. At first they might not be rude to us, but they often WILL be rude to other people (the guy at the checkout line, the cabbie, the apartment manager, etc.) Indeed, this is sort of like the old maxim, “Watch how he treats his mother, because you’re next!” In a very concrete way, it gives you a big insight/foresight into how they’ll treat YOU in about three to four months.
In my own case, I’m pretty laid back, but at the same time I have a stong personality. So I have a very low threshold for any kind of interpersonal nonsense. (At the first sign of “acting out” or disrespect – towards myself or towards anyone else – I summarily drop people and end all contact.) It might be a little arrogant, but I think we should look at new relationships with the question, “Is this person worthy of ME and MY friendship”- rather than fussing and fretting about what they may happen to think of us.
At any rate, One Joy, I know the type you describe exceedingly well. Narcissism mixed with neurotic traits, and a generally unbalanced and superficial character – often camouflaged by the jargon of “pseudo-spirituality” and “self-realization,” etc. The only thing worse than such an unsavory and grating personality, is an outright spath. And even then, perhaps only by the smallest of margins!
QUOTE CONSTANTINE:
I think we should look at new relationships with the question, “Is this person worthy of ME and MY friendship”- rather than fussing and fretting about what they may happen to think of us.
YEPPERS! That is it, Connie! You are so right on the money, we worry about our being good enough, and pleasing to them, when we OUGHT TO worry about if they are GOOD ENOUGH FOR US?
I also agree with you on how they treat others, because if they treat others badly, lie to or steal from others, it is just a MATTER OF TIME UNTIL THEY DO IT TO YOU.