From time to time, Lovefraud receives email from people who identify themselves as sociopaths. Here’s one that came in recently:
I have read your website, and i am not impressed. You give the impression that all sociopaths are murderers and haters, incapable of loving, and should be thrown away as a tragedy to the human race. You do not mention the difference between a high-functioning sociopath and a low-functioning sociopath. I happen to be a high-functioning sociopath, and your website is all lies and misguided information, and whats worse, you gain money out of creating a stigma of us, and abusing the victims of certain relationships, which although do happen, aren’t generally what high functioning sociopaths are about. Who’s the one with no conscience? I would say you.
I have no emotion, i use logic to understand what is happening. I mimic emotions of others because i know that it is important to my survival that i display emotion or otherwise people become scared. Is that really so bad? Yes, perhaps i play mind games with people because i grow so bored, but that doesn’t really harm them does it? People get over it. I don’t go out murdering puppies and kittens, and laugh like a comic villain. I may have mistreated some animals, but never with the intent of doing so. I may have hurt some people, but they get over it. I’m the one who has to pay for their hurt, they threaten my survival when they retaliate. I flirt with people a lot, but so do a lot of people, not just sociopaths. I do have some emotion, even if it is limited. I can pretend to have an emotion to convince myself. I act simply to feel.
You ’empaths’ only have emotions so that you are scared of us, when all we are are bored, and confused harmless cheeky rascals. And to point out, adult sociopaths usually stop being sociopaths after the age of 30, so its not ‘incurable’ as soon as they become an adult. You try living in a world that is black and white, where any emotion has to be forced, and you have to copy others expression, and you’re always so very bored, because i am, so bored. You can’t blame us for needing some excitement, to survive we must have a way out of our boredom. You know nothing about what you say. We have a soul, we just can’t access it as easily as everyone else.
Born with the genes
The person who wrote this letter, I was able to determine, is an attractive young woman. I’ll ignore her mischaracterizations of Lovefraud—we are obviously well aware that sociopaths are not all murderers, because most of us were involved with sociopaths who didn’t kill anyone. Beyond that, her letter provides a good insight into the reality of sociopaths, with all their rationalizations and excuses.
Even so, I do feel sorry for them.
Sociopathy is highly genetic, and no sociopaths asked to be born they way they are. No sociopaths asked for manipulative parents or uncaring home environments that pushed them further along the path towards disorder. That’s the hand they were dealt, and it’s truly sad.
Even sadder is the fact that they don’t know it’s sad. It’s like someone born blind, who doesn’t comprehend vision. Or someone born deaf, who can’t understand what music may be. They were born with a limited or nonexistent ability to love, and whatever love they did have was probably snuffed out by their own disordered parents. Instead, they have an overactive appetite for power and control.
Like this young woman, sociopaths are aware that they are different. But most of them don’t care. In fact, they take pride in their ability to exercise power, and look down on the rest of us. We are merely marks to be exploited.
Lessen the disorder
This young woman also said that people stop being sociopaths at the age of 30. There is no scientific evidence that sociopathy can be cured. The best we can usually hope for is that sociopaths will decide to comply with the mores of society, if only because it’s in their own self-interest. They do have the power to decide that following the rules is more convenient and causes them less aggravation than violating them.
Can sociopaths actually lessen their disorder? Dr. Liane Leedom is hopeful, although she recognizes that it is extremely difficult. The fact is that many brain characteristics and functions contribute to sociopathy, and the human brain is not static. Beliefs and behaviors can cause chemical and structural changes in the brain. So if sociopaths were really committed to changing their ideas, and engaged in activities that fostered empathy, their brain structures could change. An individual willing to attempt this would probably have a lesser degree of disorder to begin with, so maybe he or she would already have seeds of caring buried within, seeds that could grow into a degree of empathy.
Inaccessible soul
I was struck by the last sentence of the letter:
We have a soul, we just can’t access it as easily as everyone else.
I actually think that the young woman is right about this. The souls of sociopaths are buried under so much negativity—anger, hatred, aggression, coldness, envy and the desire for power—that the souls can’t be felt.
I don’t think those of us who have been damaged by sociopaths should attempt to help them. Our first duty is to ourselves, to our own health and recovery. But I believe that we’re all connected, and maybe in whatever communication we may have with a higher power, we can pray for them. It might take a long time, but maybe it will do some good.
Even if we don’t see any improvement in particular individuals, praying will help ourselves. Bitterness only prolongs our own misery and harms our own health. Perhaps offering prayers, from a safe distance, will make a difference all the way around.
Link: google the murder of Robert Manwill. Tons of news stories on it will come up.
YOu know these “parenting classes” and “anger management” classes that are mandated for abusers are to me a JOKE OF THE WORST SORT! It has been shown that “therapy” only makes psychopaths WORSE because it gives them new tactics to use and the “words” to fake remorse. This kind of article makes me physically SICK!
No amount of classes can teach empathy. Electroshock therapy on the other hand…
Skylar, sometimes I think we need to bring back the electric chair for “shock therapy” for some of these criminals….but at the same time, if even ONE innocent person is executed for some crime they did not do…there is no way to “give them back their very life” once it has been taken. I realize like the West Memphis 3, they lost 18 years of their lives, but not their life itself, and they are free today. So I’ve changed my mind about the death penalty, but I am very much for LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE and for 3-strikes (felony convictions) and you are in for LIFE without parole.
Also, Skylar..about what you said about how I really wouldn’t be able to tell if his preferences were toward women or men”
Well, his 1st ex wife told me he wanted her to wear a strap on to do him in the rear, and have her wear HIS undies and HE wear hers..so if that doesn’t tell you he’d rather be with a man, I dunno what does.
He used me to buffer him financially through his 2nd divorce, while he drove cabs. Between my work contracts, I worked for him for NO PAY, at his tiny shop, just before he went bankrupt. The A-hole DESERVES getting exposed for the USER/ABUSER he was/is. The a-hole creates SICK DOUBLE-BINDS for women with his GASLIGHTING, STONEWALLING (when he’s caught red-handed), and PROJECTIONISM (your fault, not his .. “you have abandonment issues” .. who wouldn’t when his tact serially, for MORE THAN THREE DECADES is to ABANDON.. “my wife tried to turn me into a Cash Machine”..ooh, poor baby.. is that why you relied on HER cash, to continue her paying YOU for jobs you did for her, years after your second divorce, while living with ME? Another excuse/justification of his, “You just wanted me to work for you—well, buddy..I WORKED for OUR UNIT, too..helped pay for THE ROOF OVER YOUR HEAD AND YOUR DAUGHTER’S HEAD for many years..for the roof over your daughter’s head, every other weekend, for those years..WHINER! WINE WINE, STRAWBERRY..WINE WINE RED CHERRY, WHINE WHINE, YOU FERRY)! For years, his mother acted as though she loved me..turned from an Aunt Bea (from the Andy Griffith Show) type to the type of mother in the flick, the Manchurian Candidate. Just wait..one of these days, he will abandon his THIRD wife, too..and being the spath I think he is, he will probably, glibly say to her, “gotta go..and by the way..everything the girlfriend before you said about me on line is TRUE..HA HA. I win again!”
Zim
Besides..anyone who has taken the time to do research on the intrenet, knows that one of the characteristics of BORDERLINE PERSONALITY DISORDER, would realize that “abandonment issues” on on the list of characteristics of persons with BPD”another reason I think my ex spath is BPD disordered, with the ADDITIONAL subcategory of having DISASSOCIATIVE IDENTITY DISORDER. I Have good reasons to think he has both. My healing songs for this week are Joni Mitchell’s “Not To Blame” , “Borderline” , “Sex Kills” and “Sire of Sorrow”..from her CD, “Turbulent Indigo” .. in fact..that whole album is a HEALING album..take a listen..probably you can find it on YouTube..
OK..it’s not that I am biased..thinking that only women suffer from spaths. I know that men also suffer from them. In my youth, I sang Leo Kottke’s “Louise” and Conway Twitty’s “Fifteen Years Ago” (country tunes..empathizing..FEELING for men who have endured the SAME abuse, but by FEMALE spaths. Only..my SPATH knew that sensitivity in me, and took it to the bank..
He first “came on” to me when I was between the ages of 17 and 18, because I was a folksinger then. He was, at the time, living with another woman, but did not tell me he was living with her when he brought me to his rental place. He was impressed with my folk tunes (“Greenwood Sideo” one example..so much that he recorded it. He was also impressed that one teen FEMALE knew the open tunings of Joni Mitchell..a rare find for him..so much more the VULNERABLE, SENSITIVE female he could EXPLOIT..even BETTER if she put her faith in the INNOCENCE and the concept of LOYALTY between humans! A no larger thing could he find, to destroy..what BETTER a thing to destroy than what I had EARNED/ACCOMPLISHED..with DISCIPLINE..for years?! What better to destroy than those things I had accomplished WITHOUT the help of any male? What BETTER an innocent target, if he could destroy the soul of a man who knew AS MANY, if not MORE songs than he knew, and who had a beautiful voice, like he had..what a TRIUMPH for him, to SUBDUE her soul..more than 30 years later!) .. I doubt he had, before then, ever met a woman who knew as many songs as he knew. He knew that it had taken me YEARS of discipline to accomplish what I had musically, before he met me. He probably also sensed that I focused on my music, beginning in my teen years, because I wanted to HEAL from the divorce of my parents, and from, at an early age, no fault of my own, being the OLDER SISTER of the baby brother I would help raise/mentor, ..I think my ex spath SAW that I was a nurturing human being..TOOK IT TO THE BANK (my baby brother became highly successful in his career, BTW.) When I discovered (before he could bed me, but not until after he got naked..ready to) that he lived with another woman, I RAN AWAY..very fast. I should have stayed away, before I began my relationship with him 30+ years later. Perverts like him DO NOT DESERVE A SECOND CHANCE! Not only did he try to destroy a STRONG musical soul..a soul that took me decades to develop.. the STRONG SENSE OF MY SELF AND MY SELF ESTEEM that can only come from YEARS of earned accomplishment, he also DESTROYED many social networks for me.
When I got a little more closure, after speaking to his first wife, she asked me if I noticed how much older his youngest sister’s first husband was (the sister HE told me let him WATCH while she masturbated!)..mentioned that the guy was old enough to be her father. I confirmed, said, “Yes..that was something that stood out for me, about her.” Same sister’s subsequent husband, I learned, was her FIRST COUSIN. INCEST ISSUE, anyone?
If they want to fark men, or are CURIOUS about that activity, then they should LET US KNOW, in the beginning, about that curiousity, so we can AVOID THEM, not lead us into their abusive, confused paths!
Zim
The most “telling” thing is that the spaths expect us to do MORE than is HUMANLY possible.
Zim
They generally knitpick..pick on things that we can’t change. Do you find this to be a truism, ladies?
Zim
The sentiment in this letter of “so what I didn’t mean to”, “they’ll get over it”, and “I have to do this to survive” stigmatizes sociopaths more than aything I’ve seen the users here post.
The author reinforces “stereotypes” I think, and misunderstands that users here and the creator of the site, don’t feel disdain or loathing towards sociopaths in general, more likely they feel sadness and a desire to care for and understand what is often a wounded souls. Maybe I can only speak for myself on that, but no doubt there isn’t a generalization that all spaths are murders or human rubbish.
To say they are harmless though, is merely another rationalization. Whether abused by a sociopath, or anyone at all, a person is harmed. The harm is real, their pain is real, the damage is real wehther the person who inflicted it it meant to, or can even comprehend it.
Everyone is “confused and bored and cheeky and mischieveous” at times. i most certainly am. But not everyone who is those things causes the lasting struggle a sociopath does.
My spath was high functioning, he could certainly love to some extent, and he had enough of a soul to know he hurt people including me, but not enough empathy to know how much and therefore learn to stop doing it. also very similarly to the author told me that he did things in order to feel. He explained: “I don’t feel things then act on that. I decide if something should be felt and then choose if I want to feel it”. He knew he wasn’t like most people, and he had a constant worry that people were afraid of him for that reason.
All I know is, I never intended to threaten his survival in any way, and i dont believe he consciously chose to be any type of threat to my life or well being. He may carry some of the hurt for what our relationship was, but his core was not shaken like mine was, that is the difference.
Dear Greenbean,
Glad to see you again! You are right I think about some of the “high functioning” ones, ones that may have some lower levels of empathy or understanding of human emotions. It is not a case of “is or ain’t” but a level along a continuum, and some are worse than others in what they do/think.
Glad you are still marching on the road to healing. Good to see you back.