From time to time, Lovefraud receives email from people who identify themselves as sociopaths. Here’s one that came in recently:
I have read your website, and i am not impressed. You give the impression that all sociopaths are murderers and haters, incapable of loving, and should be thrown away as a tragedy to the human race. You do not mention the difference between a high-functioning sociopath and a low-functioning sociopath. I happen to be a high-functioning sociopath, and your website is all lies and misguided information, and whats worse, you gain money out of creating a stigma of us, and abusing the victims of certain relationships, which although do happen, aren’t generally what high functioning sociopaths are about. Who’s the one with no conscience? I would say you.
I have no emotion, i use logic to understand what is happening. I mimic emotions of others because i know that it is important to my survival that i display emotion or otherwise people become scared. Is that really so bad? Yes, perhaps i play mind games with people because i grow so bored, but that doesn’t really harm them does it? People get over it. I don’t go out murdering puppies and kittens, and laugh like a comic villain. I may have mistreated some animals, but never with the intent of doing so. I may have hurt some people, but they get over it. I’m the one who has to pay for their hurt, they threaten my survival when they retaliate. I flirt with people a lot, but so do a lot of people, not just sociopaths. I do have some emotion, even if it is limited. I can pretend to have an emotion to convince myself. I act simply to feel.
You ’empaths’ only have emotions so that you are scared of us, when all we are are bored, and confused harmless cheeky rascals. And to point out, adult sociopaths usually stop being sociopaths after the age of 30, so its not ‘incurable’ as soon as they become an adult. You try living in a world that is black and white, where any emotion has to be forced, and you have to copy others expression, and you’re always so very bored, because i am, so bored. You can’t blame us for needing some excitement, to survive we must have a way out of our boredom. You know nothing about what you say. We have a soul, we just can’t access it as easily as everyone else.
Born with the genes
The person who wrote this letter, I was able to determine, is an attractive young woman. I’ll ignore her mischaracterizations of Lovefraud—we are obviously well aware that sociopaths are not all murderers, because most of us were involved with sociopaths who didn’t kill anyone. Beyond that, her letter provides a good insight into the reality of sociopaths, with all their rationalizations and excuses.
Even so, I do feel sorry for them.
Sociopathy is highly genetic, and no sociopaths asked to be born they way they are. No sociopaths asked for manipulative parents or uncaring home environments that pushed them further along the path towards disorder. That’s the hand they were dealt, and it’s truly sad.
Even sadder is the fact that they don’t know it’s sad. It’s like someone born blind, who doesn’t comprehend vision. Or someone born deaf, who can’t understand what music may be. They were born with a limited or nonexistent ability to love, and whatever love they did have was probably snuffed out by their own disordered parents. Instead, they have an overactive appetite for power and control.
Like this young woman, sociopaths are aware that they are different. But most of them don’t care. In fact, they take pride in their ability to exercise power, and look down on the rest of us. We are merely marks to be exploited.
Lessen the disorder
This young woman also said that people stop being sociopaths at the age of 30. There is no scientific evidence that sociopathy can be cured. The best we can usually hope for is that sociopaths will decide to comply with the mores of society, if only because it’s in their own self-interest. They do have the power to decide that following the rules is more convenient and causes them less aggravation than violating them.
Can sociopaths actually lessen their disorder? Dr. Liane Leedom is hopeful, although she recognizes that it is extremely difficult. The fact is that many brain characteristics and functions contribute to sociopathy, and the human brain is not static. Beliefs and behaviors can cause chemical and structural changes in the brain. So if sociopaths were really committed to changing their ideas, and engaged in activities that fostered empathy, their brain structures could change. An individual willing to attempt this would probably have a lesser degree of disorder to begin with, so maybe he or she would already have seeds of caring buried within, seeds that could grow into a degree of empathy.
Inaccessible soul
I was struck by the last sentence of the letter:
We have a soul, we just can’t access it as easily as everyone else.
I actually think that the young woman is right about this. The souls of sociopaths are buried under so much negativity—anger, hatred, aggression, coldness, envy and the desire for power—that the souls can’t be felt.
I don’t think those of us who have been damaged by sociopaths should attempt to help them. Our first duty is to ourselves, to our own health and recovery. But I believe that we’re all connected, and maybe in whatever communication we may have with a higher power, we can pray for them. It might take a long time, but maybe it will do some good.
Even if we don’t see any improvement in particular individuals, praying will help ourselves. Bitterness only prolongs our own misery and harms our own health. Perhaps offering prayers, from a safe distance, will make a difference all the way around.
Dear Bluejay, you “get over it” the same way we do over any injury, with time and work….and processing the grief. Sure there are some scars, residual marks of healing, but when you break a bone and it heals back, actually that ONE spot is usually stronger than it was before…I think in many ways our spirits and our souls are also stronger than they were before we were injured and healed.
Sure it is painful to “lose” a child, but it is also painful to lose ANY ONE we love, either through death, desertion, or betrayal.
“high-functioning sociopath” – muuuuaaaaa haaaaa…
I’m willing to bet that the writer is the is the CEO of Bank of America, Goldman Sachs, Chase or some other Wall Street bankster. Those are the “high-functioning sociopath” they only steal from billions of poor people, whine that their bonuses aren’t high enough and expect thanks and accolades for destroying the economy country and the rest of the world. So ironic! I wonder if he realizes that his letter is a testament to the very thing he’s trying to negate.
You’re probably right, Quantum Solace..that “letter from a sociopath” is probably a MAN..IN DISGUISE as a WOMAN..spaths do that a lot, too. Very often, they ENVY women, so want to BE one..or PRETEND to be one. That is one of the things my ex (spath) did.
Zim
DARN IT! I don’t wanna hide!
It’s Panther / Stomping_in_rain_puddles
Yeah, I tried making another identity and I hated it.
I feel like no one in here knows who I am anymore. Ox is all explaining her son to me, and I wanna say, “Ox! It’s me Panther!”
Oh, I’m just not built well for this combat stuff. I went NC which I had no idea would immediately get me stalked. How long before they get bored and wander off?
Ox: I asked about the bipolar thing because I think spathism is not static, based on what I am witnessing and hearing in here. I feel like I am dealing with a shit storm of mental disorders to be honest, and pardon my language, but it was the most appropriate word there. I think he honestly believes his own lies, which would be a pathological liar trait, and also he seems to forget things, maybe by omission, or maybe it’s a degenerative thing. I don’t mean to make excuses. I’m just a bit perplexed. Maybe it just has to do with the spath-existence and maybe being an spath is just like this. I simply am confused how a person can look at you and in the same breath, it seems, say, “I fucking love hate wanna kill you will protect you forever want the best for you am going to destroy you bitch angel.” That’s what I hear when he talks.
ZIMZOOMIT: I went to the police yesterday and as soon as I started telling them why I was there, I started crying. I felt so stupid, but it hit me right at that moment that going to the police was the first moment in which I actually stopped cowering in fear and took a step to validate, protect, and love myself.
Here is the exact way I have felt all this time: I would turn around and walk away if only I weren’t terrified of having my back to him.
I was literally mortified to the point of protecting him when others tried to help me.
Unfortunately, the police didn’t get what I was trying to communicate in the slightest. I told them that he is dangerous, and then they asked me if he had ever hurt me. I told them that he’d put me in the hospital before, and then they asked if I went back after that. As soon as I said, “Yes,” they looked at me like, “Let’s not waste our time helping this idiot. She did it to herself.” Luckily, I have been here on LF, and so I was prepared for such a reaction, because I’ve realized since I go in here that only people who have dealt with an spath actually grasps the dynamics.
Definitely go to the police. Yes, we have the right to fight back. And I don’t mean a fight to win or to show who’s tougher. I mean that if someone breaks into our house and starts ransacking the place and charging at us with a bat, we should shoot them if we’ve got a gun in a drawer somewhere, not just stand there and let them beat us to death just to demonstrate that we’re not violent like them. I am pushing myself to stop fearing these things:
1. People not believing me
2. Making myself visible to possible new predators in the area, since I feel I’m in a vulnerable state and therefore a target to anyone keeping an eye out for a wounded animal
3. Pissing him off and thus escalating things
4. Being mean
My mom raised me on “two wrongs don’t make a right” and “just because someone hits you doesn’t mean you have the right to hit them back” but she forgot to add “but if the bastard is a stalking, abusive, evil son-of-a-gun with no conscience beating the crap out of you, put a freaking bullet in him.”
No, I’m not going to be cruel. But I will defend myself.
By the way zoomzimit, my exspath sent me a moving video of porn just 2 weeks ago in a panic, telling me that he needed me to watch it and confirm for him that it isn’t really me.
It’s absolutely disturbing how similar stories can be sometimes.
She’ll find her “soul”….as soon as they find those WMDs……
All I can say is my ex (spath) must’ve had to view A LOT of porn, before he found (I still suspect it was him) one with a woman in it that ALMOST resembled me (it wasn’t me, ladies!) Oh.., and the guy she was with was MUCH more fit & handsome than he ever was or could be, and the “position” they used was one he would never have fathomed (he was pretty dull in the sack..ha ha)
Wish I would’ve kept that email in my spam folder, though. I could have forwarded that one to the police (to back up my report)..it probably could be trace-able back to the IP addy.
Yes, they DO stalk/harass you..even years later. No such thing as stopping at age 30! Harumph!
Zim
Zim
personally i dont think they “grow out of it” .. i do think they perfect their manipulating style and therefore can fool much more easily as they get older.
once a spath.. always a spath.
i’m not about to take my chances.
that’s like going back into a burning building.. just to “make sure” its on fire.
Sociopaths don’t stop being sociopaths at age 30- or ANY age for that matter. SOME spaths merely don’t have the same energy level at age, 45- as they did when they were 25 or 35. I’ve seen that many spaths “slow down” a bit or maybe they just get rather sloppy and lazy regarding keeping track of lies and the individuals who the lies are targeted at.
The two spaths I was involved with were in their 50s and 60s and I can tell you, regarding the 60 yr old- he still had PLENTY of energy to manipulate and play head games- in fact I think it actually energized him.
“Give them enough rope and they eventually hang themselves” is how I dealt with it. Though the “eventually” may be far too long to tolerate.
Sky,
I am moved by your last post. I don’t want to make judgements about your finding sadness and compassion for your mother. But it did feel deep, and like it came from a place of understanding and personal strength and healing. And, your keen observation about hysteroidal reaction, and need for catharsis really hit home.
Thank you Sky, I have always appreciated how open you are about your personal process/healing, and how amazingly insightful and ‘intelligent’ your understandings about s/p are.
Slim
Hello sociopath you enjoy playing mind games well I will tell you, us good hearted people here have a hard time with that. We don’t just get over it, it takes lots of time to heal from someone like you. Another thing I was raped inside and out used by a sociopath he got thousands from me and my children. He played me with all lies for 3.5 years.Promises you all don’t even know what it means you just play your act to get what you want from good people ….. By the way my sociopath was 50 and is 52 now………………. Well I know none of this will matter to you for you don’t have emotions to feel….I sure do and this sociopath has made my life overwhelming a nice way to put it, I know a lot of good people have been hurt here so I will state things appropriately . Sociopaths need to stick to their own kind and leave us alone….