From time to time, Lovefraud receives email from people who identify themselves as sociopaths. Here’s one that came in recently:
I have read your website, and i am not impressed. You give the impression that all sociopaths are murderers and haters, incapable of loving, and should be thrown away as a tragedy to the human race. You do not mention the difference between a high-functioning sociopath and a low-functioning sociopath. I happen to be a high-functioning sociopath, and your website is all lies and misguided information, and whats worse, you gain money out of creating a stigma of us, and abusing the victims of certain relationships, which although do happen, aren’t generally what high functioning sociopaths are about. Who’s the one with no conscience? I would say you.
I have no emotion, i use logic to understand what is happening. I mimic emotions of others because i know that it is important to my survival that i display emotion or otherwise people become scared. Is that really so bad? Yes, perhaps i play mind games with people because i grow so bored, but that doesn’t really harm them does it? People get over it. I don’t go out murdering puppies and kittens, and laugh like a comic villain. I may have mistreated some animals, but never with the intent of doing so. I may have hurt some people, but they get over it. I’m the one who has to pay for their hurt, they threaten my survival when they retaliate. I flirt with people a lot, but so do a lot of people, not just sociopaths. I do have some emotion, even if it is limited. I can pretend to have an emotion to convince myself. I act simply to feel.
You ’empaths’ only have emotions so that you are scared of us, when all we are are bored, and confused harmless cheeky rascals. And to point out, adult sociopaths usually stop being sociopaths after the age of 30, so its not ‘incurable’ as soon as they become an adult. You try living in a world that is black and white, where any emotion has to be forced, and you have to copy others expression, and you’re always so very bored, because i am, so bored. You can’t blame us for needing some excitement, to survive we must have a way out of our boredom. You know nothing about what you say. We have a soul, we just can’t access it as easily as everyone else.
Born with the genes
The person who wrote this letter, I was able to determine, is an attractive young woman. I’ll ignore her mischaracterizations of Lovefraud—we are obviously well aware that sociopaths are not all murderers, because most of us were involved with sociopaths who didn’t kill anyone. Beyond that, her letter provides a good insight into the reality of sociopaths, with all their rationalizations and excuses.
Even so, I do feel sorry for them.
Sociopathy is highly genetic, and no sociopaths asked to be born they way they are. No sociopaths asked for manipulative parents or uncaring home environments that pushed them further along the path towards disorder. That’s the hand they were dealt, and it’s truly sad.
Even sadder is the fact that they don’t know it’s sad. It’s like someone born blind, who doesn’t comprehend vision. Or someone born deaf, who can’t understand what music may be. They were born with a limited or nonexistent ability to love, and whatever love they did have was probably snuffed out by their own disordered parents. Instead, they have an overactive appetite for power and control.
Like this young woman, sociopaths are aware that they are different. But most of them don’t care. In fact, they take pride in their ability to exercise power, and look down on the rest of us. We are merely marks to be exploited.
Lessen the disorder
This young woman also said that people stop being sociopaths at the age of 30. There is no scientific evidence that sociopathy can be cured. The best we can usually hope for is that sociopaths will decide to comply with the mores of society, if only because it’s in their own self-interest. They do have the power to decide that following the rules is more convenient and causes them less aggravation than violating them.
Can sociopaths actually lessen their disorder? Dr. Liane Leedom is hopeful, although she recognizes that it is extremely difficult. The fact is that many brain characteristics and functions contribute to sociopathy, and the human brain is not static. Beliefs and behaviors can cause chemical and structural changes in the brain. So if sociopaths were really committed to changing their ideas, and engaged in activities that fostered empathy, their brain structures could change. An individual willing to attempt this would probably have a lesser degree of disorder to begin with, so maybe he or she would already have seeds of caring buried within, seeds that could grow into a degree of empathy.
Inaccessible soul
I was struck by the last sentence of the letter:
We have a soul, we just can’t access it as easily as everyone else.
I actually think that the young woman is right about this. The souls of sociopaths are buried under so much negativity—anger, hatred, aggression, coldness, envy and the desire for power—that the souls can’t be felt.
I don’t think those of us who have been damaged by sociopaths should attempt to help them. Our first duty is to ourselves, to our own health and recovery. But I believe that we’re all connected, and maybe in whatever communication we may have with a higher power, we can pray for them. It might take a long time, but maybe it will do some good.
Even if we don’t see any improvement in particular individuals, praying will help ourselves. Bitterness only prolongs our own misery and harms our own health. Perhaps offering prayers, from a safe distance, will make a difference all the way around.
i was talking to a corrections officer the other night. works in a maximum security prison – he says he’s had 89 year old spath re-offenders come back into jail. well, they are nothing if not consistent.
Well said Eclipse.
I just cannot imagine an spath liking another spath, though. There’s nothing there to suck the life out of, nothing to destroy. It’s already lifeless and destroyed.
I am sorry for your situation. I went through something similar, but without children and for not as long. I cannot imagine how much harder it must be when children are involved, and to be honest, if an spath can still carry on their disgusting schemes even when children are in the line of fire, then they truly are demons.
>>And to point out, adult sociopaths usually stop being sociopaths after the age of 30, so its not ’incurable’ as soon as they become an adult.<<
I call bullshit! mine is nearing 50 and as others have said, they may slow down, may forget who they lied to and about what, but he is still going VERY strong and full steam ahead in spending his inheritance while his parents are still alive. Whatever may be left when they leave the earth? He will blow through that like pissing in a seive.
Sky- hang in there girl. There are plenty of blue skies and sunshine to be found in life. Look around you. I'm sure you can ALWAYS find something to be happy about. If nothing else- be happy you got away from spath. His 'campfire' needed to be put out for good anyways.
As others have said- even discussing anything the auther of the letter said is feeding the troll who is no more than an attention whore.
Another trait I found in my spath. Stir the pot, sit back and watch. If things cool down at all- throw out a few words to heat it up, sit back and watch. Lather, rinse, repeat as narcissary.
OneJoy and Slim,
I was in a bad frame of mind when I wrote that.
When I think about the times when her mask slipped, I remember a fleeting look of panic on her face. And I felt embarrassed for her. It seems to me that, her mask is hiding a very shameful secret, for her to be so afraid of having her true self revealed. That shameful secret, can only be shame about what/who she is. To me, that is profoundly sad.
She has no friends but she has cultivated a relationshit with my spath sister. This is the daughter she spoiled into becoming a spath. This is the daughter she doesn’t want to lose.
It’s sad because she hasn’t been a “bad” person her whole life. Her facade is on so well, that she actually has led a good life, she worked very hard her whole life. Yes, under the radar she was sabotaging our psyches, but she fed us and clothed us, nursed us when we were sick. She took on that role and she played it well. She still does.
She could have gotten away with a lot more evil than she actually perpetrated. So I see that she did restrain herself. Of course her reasons for doing so were self-protective, rather than out of any feelings of love.
There are drawbacks though. The effect of having been raised by someone who wears such a good mask, while at the same time, I sensed an evil presence subconsciously, made that type of existence seem normal. So of course, I was eagerly accepting of the same thing when I met the spath.
Trauma bonding was second nature.
It’s interesting that I read so many stories about spaths on LF and they all seem to be so much more obviously spathy than my spath was. My spath was so covert and worked very hard to seem like a good person and animal lover, so I wouldn’t suspect. And my mother is the same way. How is it that I end up with such sneaky spaths?
Phoenix,
thank you. You are right, there will be good days ahead.
They will be even better than before because this time, they will be REAL.
The author of this post said two things that stand out to me. First she said she acts simply to feel. Wow did that hit home. My spath was full of these loving romantic guestres and kisses….made me feel truly loved….then he would disappear, id be bewildered. Didn’t he just kiss me? Wisper tenderly? Hold my hand? Yup. He acted, trying to feel, but there was absolutely nothing inside. Zip. No wonder he could disappear for days. He felt nothing. This girl also talks about needing excitement to break boredom. This reinforces dr. Leedoms theory that the need for entertainment is a DRIVE like that for food, shelter, clothing. Its important to note that its not optional. My spath said to me that he didn’t find “people” all that “interesting”. How could that be? He could not understand and appreciate attachment, love, emotion, empathy. People are objects…..rag dolls to entertain oneself, nothing more. This is an excellent learning Donna. Thank you. Superkid10
Just dropping in to put my 2 cents in! Hi Oxy & Hens! Always a pleasure to read your opinions! The last comment of the letter chilled me to the bone. I really don’t think there is a soul to access. You can’t access what isn’t there. So very sad that these death-machines roll over so many of us, with no emotion other than their smug “I win” reward. The sheer number of we who have been crushed by them is heart breaking.
Bluejay- I know too well the “Mine is mine, yours is mine” mantra of the psychopathetic crowd. Mine has destroyed or disposed of, anything and everything of mine he deemed with no value. His stuff is all golden though. You knew that though, right?
If spending money- his money is sacred. Someone elses? Nothing is too good and spare no expense. No holds barred and get out of the way!
I found evidence last night of ‘gifts’ from his parents, bills that are way behind and bank receipts showing that he clearly has the money now to get them caught up. Will it happen? Not in his lifetime and next month he will still be begging them for more. He will say something else has come up, costing $XXXX.00 (a ‘padded’ amount of course)and I need it by _____ (pick a day ending in the letter ‘Y’). Of course they will jump when he says to and ask how high while in the air… Enablers always do!
I cook really well, yet he takes pb & j sandwiches to work, because it plays so well into his cries of “There is no food in the house and she refuses to buy groceries!” Yet he stops at the coffee shop for his overpriced cRapaccino’s and snacks, every day, even though we have a coffee pot at home. Because of the daily expenses, he can’t afford this that or anything else… narcessities like shoes and clothes, so he whines to someone (his parents) who will shell out the $$$ buying it for him. All the while painting me as the selfish bitch.
One look at my bank statements and the truth be known. The girls are well fed, loved, well clothed and I am the one paying for daycare even though he is home several days of the week and could watch them. Do I trust him to take care of them? Not so much.
the phoenix,
I deleted my earlier post (to you) because sometimes I think that I say too much or what I say possibly isn’t being acknowledged. Also, my conscience might prick at me, so I will sometimes go back and delete a post.
Money is a big issue with me, the lack of it! The spath has more financial and legal headaches due to his spathiness. Yes, keep your money separate, taking care of yourself and your children. When we were together, he had NO PROBLEM spending any money that I had earned or received (gifts). My ex-spath is always broke, easily spending on our kids, but I’m not deserving of having money. We’re not officially divorced. He has no conscience, literally speaking. What I can advise is take care of yourself, something that I’m teaching my children. He could care less about any hardships that he has created or continues to create. What a guy!
Bluejay- letting your conscience prick you may be a residual of the spath. I could be wrong, but it seems like we keep heaping on the self doubt even when they are gone. Mine is not gone yet. I’m working on that.
Mine may be in for a legal shitstorm of epic proportions due to his lack of financial self control. When I opened my own account, he called or texted me at least 15-20 times while I was in the bank. I ignored every one. Laughed about it each time actually…
When I paid off and closed our joint account my friends and I had a bet going. $5 each to the ‘winner’ who guessed how long before he mentioned it being closed. All of us ‘lost’ because he still has not mentioned it, let alone apologized or offered to reimburse me for what it cost. Will he ever? I seriously doubt it!
I am also teaching my oldest daughter- don’t ever buy into the scheme of we will seek out my dream, then yours. It never happens.
Don’t give up anything in life that you want to do, because of someone else. Extenuating circumstances to be considered of course.
You not only marry the person- you marry the family. In Laws can be a horrid part of life- go in with your eyes and mind open.
It’s tough sometimes, but leading by example is a good way to start.