From time to time, Lovefraud receives email from people who identify themselves as sociopaths. Here’s one that came in recently:
I have read your website, and i am not impressed. You give the impression that all sociopaths are murderers and haters, incapable of loving, and should be thrown away as a tragedy to the human race. You do not mention the difference between a high-functioning sociopath and a low-functioning sociopath. I happen to be a high-functioning sociopath, and your website is all lies and misguided information, and whats worse, you gain money out of creating a stigma of us, and abusing the victims of certain relationships, which although do happen, aren’t generally what high functioning sociopaths are about. Who’s the one with no conscience? I would say you.
I have no emotion, i use logic to understand what is happening. I mimic emotions of others because i know that it is important to my survival that i display emotion or otherwise people become scared. Is that really so bad? Yes, perhaps i play mind games with people because i grow so bored, but that doesn’t really harm them does it? People get over it. I don’t go out murdering puppies and kittens, and laugh like a comic villain. I may have mistreated some animals, but never with the intent of doing so. I may have hurt some people, but they get over it. I’m the one who has to pay for their hurt, they threaten my survival when they retaliate. I flirt with people a lot, but so do a lot of people, not just sociopaths. I do have some emotion, even if it is limited. I can pretend to have an emotion to convince myself. I act simply to feel.
You ’empaths’ only have emotions so that you are scared of us, when all we are are bored, and confused harmless cheeky rascals. And to point out, adult sociopaths usually stop being sociopaths after the age of 30, so its not ‘incurable’ as soon as they become an adult. You try living in a world that is black and white, where any emotion has to be forced, and you have to copy others expression, and you’re always so very bored, because i am, so bored. You can’t blame us for needing some excitement, to survive we must have a way out of our boredom. You know nothing about what you say. We have a soul, we just can’t access it as easily as everyone else.
Born with the genes
The person who wrote this letter, I was able to determine, is an attractive young woman. I’ll ignore her mischaracterizations of Lovefraud—we are obviously well aware that sociopaths are not all murderers, because most of us were involved with sociopaths who didn’t kill anyone. Beyond that, her letter provides a good insight into the reality of sociopaths, with all their rationalizations and excuses.
Even so, I do feel sorry for them.
Sociopathy is highly genetic, and no sociopaths asked to be born they way they are. No sociopaths asked for manipulative parents or uncaring home environments that pushed them further along the path towards disorder. That’s the hand they were dealt, and it’s truly sad.
Even sadder is the fact that they don’t know it’s sad. It’s like someone born blind, who doesn’t comprehend vision. Or someone born deaf, who can’t understand what music may be. They were born with a limited or nonexistent ability to love, and whatever love they did have was probably snuffed out by their own disordered parents. Instead, they have an overactive appetite for power and control.
Like this young woman, sociopaths are aware that they are different. But most of them don’t care. In fact, they take pride in their ability to exercise power, and look down on the rest of us. We are merely marks to be exploited.
Lessen the disorder
This young woman also said that people stop being sociopaths at the age of 30. There is no scientific evidence that sociopathy can be cured. The best we can usually hope for is that sociopaths will decide to comply with the mores of society, if only because it’s in their own self-interest. They do have the power to decide that following the rules is more convenient and causes them less aggravation than violating them.
Can sociopaths actually lessen their disorder? Dr. Liane Leedom is hopeful, although she recognizes that it is extremely difficult. The fact is that many brain characteristics and functions contribute to sociopathy, and the human brain is not static. Beliefs and behaviors can cause chemical and structural changes in the brain. So if sociopaths were really committed to changing their ideas, and engaged in activities that fostered empathy, their brain structures could change. An individual willing to attempt this would probably have a lesser degree of disorder to begin with, so maybe he or she would already have seeds of caring buried within, seeds that could grow into a degree of empathy.
Inaccessible soul
I was struck by the last sentence of the letter:
We have a soul, we just can’t access it as easily as everyone else.
I actually think that the young woman is right about this. The souls of sociopaths are buried under so much negativity—anger, hatred, aggression, coldness, envy and the desire for power—that the souls can’t be felt.
I don’t think those of us who have been damaged by sociopaths should attempt to help them. Our first duty is to ourselves, to our own health and recovery. But I believe that we’re all connected, and maybe in whatever communication we may have with a higher power, we can pray for them. It might take a long time, but maybe it will do some good.
Even if we don’t see any improvement in particular individuals, praying will help ourselves. Bitterness only prolongs our own misery and harms our own health. Perhaps offering prayers, from a safe distance, will make a difference all the way around.
Well I choked after reading this letter from a female spath.
This could be my own daughter writing this!
My daughter is a high-functioning intelligent sociopath in the military for over 20 years and has just hacked into my computer while she is stationed overseas in Oman. She has hi-jacked the names from my contract list, sending me e-mails from family members e-mail names with a virus link. Checking with family members, they never sent the e-mails. We figure she has downloaded an anonymous server so she can send out e-mail address from others that can not be traced to her name. I have run the IP addresses on these and they come from various servers out of the country. Anyone can go to these websites and download anonymous servers into their computer, side servers.
How I caught on this was my daughter is when she sent me an e-mail with an e-mail address using my deceased mother-in-laws name and sent it to me directly from her internet provider in Oman where she is currently stationed. ( Mother in-law never had a computer)
She even used her own son’s e-mail address to send me a virus. The two e-mails both had the same final delivery server numbers. I could match the server numbers to her computer both coming from Sunnyvale Ca.
This female spath describes my daughter to a tee and could very well be her writing this since she know that I read Love Fraud since she has read everything in my computer.
Reading Dr. Hare I have realized that I did recognize that my daughter had a problem when she was 7 years old. Dr. Hare writes that “Sociopath do not respond to punishment, they do not show feeling when punished. ”
I took my daughter to a mental health professional in the 70s because when I punished her she would accept the punishment with no reaction. Ex: You did not pick up you toys, you need to sit on the chair for 20 minutes. She would look at me, say ok mommy and sit like a little lady for 20 minutes without complaining. She was just like a small robot. In the 70s doctors in the mental health field did not understand sociopath behavior. I am grateful for Dr. Hare’s information which allows me to understand that I did not cause my daughter to be a sociopath. Mother’s guilt. The hardest thing is that I can not help her.
If this was written by my daughter I am sure you will hear more from her. At least we can read and try to understand their world that they live in. I try to find my glass half full instead of half empty.
I just had a terrible flash back!And besides everthing else in that letter,my reaction was to the words”they get over it” I can still hear my ex spath telling me to Get over it!! It has been 5 years since we split.And those few words made me nauseaous,I can still hear him like it happened yesterday! It makes me sick!! I don’t feel sorry for myself nor do I feel sorry for him. He enjoys it. He is gone and I am better for it and glad. How was I supposed to “get over” fractured leg,bruises,verbal abuse.The only thing that was easy to get over was HIM!! And I have a few words for him and his fellow spaths…..GET OVER IT!! Whew I feel better now! Thanks for letting me put my 2 cents in!
Hurt Mom,
that is an interesting reaction from your daughter. My brother is and always was a spath, since childhood. He manipulated emotions and envy in others. But when punished, he would scream bloody murder. Of course our punishments were whippings with belts, so that may explain the difference.
Spaths seem to hate their mothers more than anyone else. My spath used me as a substitute for his mother, since he couldn’t torture her and get away with it. He once told me, “you remind me of my mother.” His mom and I couldn’t BE more different in looks and behavior. She was a large German woman, with red hair. I’m petite and have dark hair.
So his statement was a tell. He knew he was punishing me in her place.
When he finally decided to kill me off, he went into a “crazed” mode. When spaths decide to set off one of their schemes, they always have a story to go with it. It’s like a plot line to make their crazy behavior seem like a normal person’s reactions. In his plot line, he was very stressed out because homeland security was after him – investigating him for drug smuggling with his helicopter. I sincerely doubt he was drug smuggling in his copter and I can guarantee that he was NOT being investigated for it. Additionally, he was not stressed out at all, since he is a spath, he was just enjoying the portrayal of the emotions.
At some point, as he was whipping himself up into a frenzy, his mom called him. He took the opportunity to call her a c**t, for calling him on that phone. Since he had always portrayed himself as a loving son, he could never say all the vicious things before because the mask would’ve fallen. But in his “plot line” he told himself (and later, me) that he did it because she called him on the cell phone and he was sure it was bugged and now they have her number. So that’s why he HAD to call her a c**t. .
The way spaths think is quite spathalogical.
Wow, so true. My x hated his mother…even though he wouldn’t admit it. He loved his socio father.
The “c” word was my middle name the entire seven yrs I was
married to him!
They are all the same! Spending money like a drunkin sailor..blaming everything on ME…etc..
Even though he isn’t part of my girls’ lives, and doesn’t pay support…(moved to Florida to not have to pay…)I’m glad he is OUT of our lives!!!
Mine was a 46 yo single woman. She HATED her drunken, violent father. She also hated woman and called them the “c” word.
So, I don’t think they outgrow it at age 30. LOL woulda saved me a lot of money and pain if she had.
She’s not “impressed by this site” LOLOLOLOLOL Well, what self respecting spath would be? That cracks me up.
I take each sentence she wrote and put in funny terms..she is soooo hysterical…look at it again in those terms..you’ll laugh till ya cry.
The first time mine used the C word around me, I was shocked and offended. Though I tried not to show it. He wasn’t calling me that, he was just using it in measurement as in “a C-hair, more”. But I also know that he used it BECAUSE he wanted to be offensive. The reason I know is because he hadn’t used it for the previous 10 years. Then suddenly it was part of his general vocabulary. That alone should have been a clue.
When I first read “Letter from a Sociopath” I was SO angry. It was a knee-jerk reaction. I’m still feeling a bit inflamed about it.
In my opinion, the only difference between a high-functioning sociopath and a low-functioning sociopath is the length of time it takes them to be incriminated for their crimes.
The NERVE of them to use logic as their defense, as if we “empaths” are not capable of logic! As an “empath” myself, I know that driving while intoxicated can be devastating to others, besides being illegal ” so I refrain from doing that. It’s the logical choice. I don’t drink and drive out of boredom, regardless! Sociopaths are aware of the devastation they cause to the “empaths”, but does that cause them to refrain from inflicting their damage? No.
He/she said “i play mind games with people because i grow so bored, but that doesn’t really harm them does it? People get over it.” My answer is NO! Normal people with emotions DO NOT get over it. That’s what sociopaths do, not what people with emotions do! I don’t expect the sociopath to figure that out ” even with all of the so-called logic at their disposal.
What kind of logical sociopath thinks that, at the age of 30 they’re cured? Like turning 30 suddenly endows them with emotions? What kind of XXXXXXX logic is that?!
“harmless cheeky rascals”? Are you kidding me? You’re delusional!
I DO blame you! You’re more invasive and devastating than cancer.
A soul? Don’t make me laugh. All you will ever be is a fail of genetics.
By the way, genius, “I” is supposed to be capitalized. Idiot.
(to all Lovefraud members: I apologize for my rant. After 2 years of NC with my spath, I am nowhere near healed from my experience with him. Nobody within 100 miles understands. I can’t afford recovery. He’s killed me as surely as if he shot me in the forehead.)
My mother and I were discussing the cruelties of my brother. It had never dawned on me that he would do the things he is/ has done. I am very crushed. Years of denial on all our parts, I guess. My mind blocked out a lot of the bad, and tonight I started remembering. I told her about the time he whipped me with a bicycle chain, and it actually made me cry telling her.
I have learned so very much from being on LF over the past 8 months. You all have honestly, saved me, and my heart is forever thankful.
I do have an odd question. Does anything have any experiences with younger spaths and forks? Yes, I said forks. lol.
My son had over heard my convo on the phone with my ma. So, he asked when I got off the line. I told him all about my brother, when he was 5, hiding and waiting for me, just to jump down and stab me with a fork. (I was 7 btw and had somehow angered him.) He got me in the neck, and it stuck. I remember the blood and the crying. I still have a scar 30 years later.
Then I suddenly remembered my ex-spath and his sister telling me how he had stabbed her in the neck with a fork when they were kids.
Then my son looked at me and reminded me about another male spath we know saying he stabbed his sister in the hand (all the way thru to the table!) with a fork.
So, my son thinks there may be a connection between spaths and forks, or better yet, spaths stabbing their sisters with forks.
I know! The whole thing is just really odd, and probably nothing more than cowinkiedink. But still, doesn’t hurt to ask if anyone else ever had experiences with this.
This letter is a classic. It starts with an insult and an air of superiority. Next we set the stage with the insinuation that it’s noble to be a high functioning spath versus a low life functioning spath. High functioning likely means, “I am ruthless in business. I am not afraid to step on toes and bat anybody out of my way narcissary.” Then continues with accusing bloggers on this site as being liars. Classic blame. I am not accountable or responsible for anything. Then creates confusion and chaos. We’re “all misguided” and just don’t know what we’re talking about. The first paragraph ends with projection. The spath is fighting to convince us they have a conscious. It could read, “I’m not the monster you think I am.”-More projection. Next we see the detachment from reality. We see their need to “study” other people so that they don’t seem too far off into fantasy land. Looks like someone who has a very low EQ to a big teddy bear like me. They seem robotic to us. We seem intense to them. Maybe this is why we get hurt and they seem so callous – opposites attract, but likes stick. Then comes justification of the evil behavior – oh, I didn’t really hurt anybody, did I? Oh, I did – well let’s just pretend it didn’t happen. Move on. Stop living in the past. Can’t we just enjoy the present moment? Can’t we just be? Next comes the part where spath states that nobody is going to tell them what to do, however they are happy to stay in control and demand overtly or sneakily if they didn’t push you over at first to get you to do all that they desire. I act simply to feel=I am impulsive. Next the mask slips where spath admits to the thrill of knowing someone fears them. Spath continues to imply that they grow up around age 30. Wrong, they never do. They just get the mask back in place for awhile to build you back up, only to once again experience the thrill of bringing you down if you look too happy. They aren’t able to shake the demons that lurk inside of them. The mask slips yet again, admitting that the world is black and white. This translates to = it’s either my way or the highway. There is no middle ground, oh and by the way I will never respect your opinion, or maybe even your right to have one if I sense you are exercising too much independence around me. Independence might mean you’ll get too tough. Next comes the admittance of boredom, so it’s time to create more drama. Whew, just when things were getting a little peaceful, it must certainly be time to get angry or rage. We can’t access our soul translates as if I found my soul or some emotion, I wouldn’t be getting my way – and since we all know the world revolves around me, there will be hell to pay and I will go to almost any length to show you a lesson that you don’t stand up to me. Get back in the box and follow my rules – even though the rules will change suddenly take your best guess because I’ll be throwing a rage attack soon to keep exerting my power over you…. you big bully empath.
Too Late:
Don’t let it happen. He hasn’t killed you. Save yourself. That’s what they want. Give him (but mostly yourself) no satisfaction. Know that you are better, you didn’t deserve it. Read affirmations everyday. Be gentle with yourself. Give yourself some TLC. Think good thoughts. Stay no contact and know that everyday you do that – you are healing. Take good care!!