Editor’s note: The following story was submitted by a reader who we’ll call Mandy. Mandy is 15 years old and dated a sociopathic guy, who was two years older, for over a year. Notice how similar the sociopath’s behaviors are to what many of us adults experienced—an indication that this manipulative behavior is instinctual in sociopaths.
A person cannot be diagnosed a sociopath until the age of 18, but can start showing symptoms at a young age. He was 15 and I was only 13. We lived in two separate towns. We met on the computer off of an Internet website called Facebook and then started talking all the time on phone.
I was a perfect victim. I had no self-esteem when I was younger because of verbal abuse I had faced from classmates. I felt alone and just wanted to have a boyfriend by my side. We were constantly flirting on the phone, but I didn’t want this to be a cyber relationship. He seemed charming and sweet. Every time time I would ask him to hang out he would tell me that there was no one to drive him. His sister couldn’t and his mother would leave him home all day by himself and how alone he felt. So I had asked him, “What about your dad?” He said, “I never met my dad before.” It’s like he would make me feel guilty for asking him.
He started to say “I love you”
Weeks were going by, but the more time that passed, the more we were acting like a couple. He even started to say, “I love you.” I couldn’t handle this relationship because we never have even met! So when I finally decided to tell him we should end this, he told me he would kill himself and that he had written a suicide note. I couldn’t let go after he told me this. Promising me that he would he see me soon.
A few weeks later he started mentioning ex-girlfriend who he said he dated for three years. When I asked to speak to her, he gave me her screen name. I just wanted to speak to her to see if everything he told me added up. I ended up finding the ex-girlfriend on Facebook, which is when I found out from her that he was lying. He lied about never meeting his dad, and they didn’t date for three years, only two months, and that he made up a fake screen name. Also telling me he wanted her back. When the three of us were on the phone confronting him he said that he picked me over her and that he would never lie to me again.
$85 taxi ride
About a month later, with still not seeing each other, he told me to call his mother so we can see each other. When I had asked her she told me, “I don’t mean to be a bitch of a mother, but right now is not a good time. He needs to get his priorities straight.” From her finding out that we were talking, she quickly put a end to it by telling him to stop. But a couple of months later we started talking again. Sitting home sick on March 10th, he wanted me to come to his school to see him. I took a taxi, which cost me $85 for the whole trip with only my money. He was very nice, sweet, and funny and even introduced me to his friends. We finally met after four months, but I had to make the effort.
I started to notice that he was never going out with friends, and every time I would go out he would be mad because I wasn’t giving him attention. When I had asked him why he doesn’t really go out, he would tell me that because he used to be a bad kid his mom doesn’t allow him out very often because she cant trust him yet. Telling me that he changed and is trying to gain all of her trust back.
Yelling at me
So on a Friday night when I was going out, he had called me screaming to never call his number again. Telling me that I sent pictures to his friends. He kept yelling at me and screaming, how could I do such a thing? I kept telling him that I love him and that I didn’t do anything. As he heard me cry for hours to him; he wouldn’t stop yelling at me and told me to forget about him. I called back and said, “You know what? I know I didn’t do anything; just forget about it.” He said, “I love you I want to be with you,” like nothing even happened. I knew the story was all made up though. I didn’t want to let him go because I felt like he was the first real guy who actually liked me.
The next few weeks were fine, but now it was over five months, it started to come down to if this could actually work. The only way I can do this was if I received his mother’s approval of me. We started to argue about the whole thing because he wasn’t sure if he was going to go through with it. He said, “You would get a boyfriend and then leave me. You wouldn’t be able to say I love you anymore. Once you have a boyfriend, you would eventually stop calling me.”
Sexual acts
Basically from here to September, the new school year, all we were doing was deciding to be friends, to being friends with benefits to trying to be together. Just a repeating pattern from month to month. Until one night when I returned from babysitting he had asked me, how were the kids? Asking me if I ever thought about doing anything sexual with them. He tried to get me to share stories of sexual things I have done with the children. I thought he was joking, and tried to brush it off. Then he started to ask me to have sexual contact with family members and then my dog. I would ask him, “Why do you try to talk about these things?” His answer was, “I do this because I know you like it.” I found this disgusting and weird. This continued for months and he wouldn’t stop.
In January he came to my house; he actually made half of the effort this time with paying and getting in a taxi for me. We had to sneak to do this though. He wanted me to have sex with him, but I had told him no. He forced himself on top of me holding me down trying to get me to have it, but I kept screaming to stop and he finally let go. And you would think I wouldn’t want to be with him, but I was in denial because I didn’t want to be alone and believed that he loved me.
He had a new girlfriend
A month later I wrote a letter to his mother that I am a good person and telling her that I want to be with her son. She turned me down and basically two weeks later he had a new girlfriend and told me he just wants to be friends with me. We will never be together and all we were doing was fighting. Along the way, though, he made up lies after lies and manipulated me into believing that we could be together. He promised me for over a year that once he will be able to drive he could see me, but that never happened. He made promises to me that never happened.
It took me three long months to get myself out of depression about the question, did this really happen? I found myself crying every day and needed to go to a social worker in school. My dad knew some of the story, because along the way I told him bits and pieces. My dad warned me though. I got hurt.
Traits of a sociopath
He has all the traits of a sociopath, which my social worker thought too.
Glibness and Superficial Charm, Manipulative and Conning, Pathological Lying, Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt, Shallow Emotions. When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion, it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.
Callousness/Lack of Empathy. Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others’ feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them. Promiscuous Sexual Behavior, Infidelity, Promiscuity, child sexual abuse, rape and sexual acting out of all sorts
He showed all of that along the way. This went on for over a year. Now he has stopped talking me for good, but I still feel like he will come back. His new victim, or would you say girlfriend, is a new girl who was new to his town who just had moved on. Perfect target.
Broken heart
I had to sum the story up, but it was really more to that. There were a lot of tears and me crying over him for a year and a lot of fighting. I took a lot of verbal abuse from him. My life revolved around him, with me blowing off homework and studying to talk to him. Me trying to make the effort to be with him. I loved him and I put my everything into him because I convinced myself that he loved me.
It’s been seven months since he stopped talking to me, but I still think about him everyday. I am traumatized by him, and still have a broken heart. I did spend a lot of my money on him, but did it cause I believed the lies he told me, but he just used me to get to what he wanted. He wanted me to go along with his sick fantasies. He never cared about me, and never will.
Thank you alot, your comment along with everyone else’s really helps me stay strong and to keep him out.
Mandy, I can’t remember who ended your relationshit, but I will tell you this…if it was YOU…he’ll definitely be back at some point as SP’s can’t stand not having the last word, or not being the dumpers as opposed to the dumpees.
When I broke up with mine, we were “fighting” over email, and he said to me, “so what, you’re not talking to me now?”…to which I replied..”I told you, one more lie and I was DONE”…to which HE replied…”believe what you want, I’m DONE”…(WELL DUH DE DUH DUH DIDN’T I JUST MAKE THAT DECISION FOR US?????)About a week later…he emails me and says…”just for the record, you’re wrong, and I don’t wish to date you anymore”…to which I responded…”just for the record, I haven’t wanted to date you since last week when I said I was DONE”…
You see how he couldn’t stand it??That lack of final control…I think the only reason I haven’t heard from him since the last break up is because he assured his new gf I mean nothing to him, and he told me to stay the f…out of his life (which I gladly have) He actually could care less about me as a person, so if he ever does contact me again, it will only be because his supply is running short, or he is really bored, and wants to see if he can toy with my emotions.
Like justabout says…if he contacts you SLAM THE DOOR…SLAM THE PHONE…DELETE…don’t think you can get any final satisfaction by having words with him, because he will suck you in like a shopvac!! So many times I have thought, if only I could run into him I would say this or that…it would be better if I would just RUN INTO HIM literally like with my car, because if he gets the chance to start talking aka lying…I’m doomed
You have a wonderful start by recognizing what he is, and God bless you little one…be strong…you have at least a dozen or so new “mothers” looking out for you…hugs
I am on the floor laughing with identification and at the “it would be better if I would just RUN INTO HIM literally like with my car, because if he gets the chance to start talking aka lying…I’m doomed
THAT IS THE IMPORTANT PART TO REMEMBER – HE IS LYING WHEN HIS LIPS MOVE)
OMG Hummingbird – i am so doomed if I let my ex-N in the same room with me – I am so so doomed. The irrational insane part of me so wants to believe his lies I have to be NC as I am so damn susceptible. I pray to God the day I finally do run into him unavoidably I will be repulsed and sickened and wonder what the hell had me so under his spell but I am afraid he may still be able to cast one on me. Thank God for LF and my dear dear friends – that I know as a result of dealing with and healing from him – …. ugh….
Mandy dear – you are so ahead of the game sweetheart – you are havig your eyes opened very young – it is painful yes – but at least you have many more years of being able to protect yourself from predatory selfish and dangerous people. TO-WANDA dear one!
Breckgirl,
This is why you can’t even be friends with a N/S/P…they have these boogie woogie SPELLS on us I swear. I’m glad I made you laugh, if I didn’t learn to laugh about him I would be crying all day long…so on THAT note…
One time, he was coming over to “talk” about just WHAT happened to us…after the break up. I had this speech all rehearsed in my head, how I was going to approach his lying and cheating…I even had proof in the form of emails etc. I was so sure of putting him on the spot…leaving him speechless…at least I would get that satisfaction.
Well…as we all know…once he started the entire conversation did a complete 360..the next thing I knew he talked as though HE was the one that broke up with ME, because he just wasn’t “feeling” it! I of course ended up sobbing, and he was ever so comforting and put his arms around me…awwww what a guy…so here I am crying my eyes out on his shoulder and he says to me…”do you know why they put magnets in the bottom of trashcans of restaurants?”…I KID YOU NOT!!!!! HE CONTINUES…”so that when they dump the trash, they can retrieve any silverware that was accidentally thrown away”…
At first I thought maybe I was delirious from dehydration, but when I realized that he actually SAID that while I was in such a state…all I could think of was collecting the FORKS from said restaurants and POKING his eyes out! Geeze Louise…he had had insensitive moments, (like when I finally told him about my suicide attempt…he said you should have tried such and such a drug!!) but come on…talk about NO empathy
I didn’t realize at the time what he was..now I know better…YOU know better…and you can do it…we all can…but if we fail one more time and have one more cigarette(SPN) we will still love each other, understand, and be there for each other. This has been the most difficult and life changing experience I have ever been through…still trying to figure out the “whys”, but I’m thinking it was… to be here…
Breckgirl….that is too much!
Regarding how do you know if the person you were involved with was a P/S, whatever you want to call them?
Well, we had a foster child for awhile. A psychiatrist met with us and said we had just confirmed his diagnosis that the child was oppositional/defiant. We asked how. He said when parents are this frustrated and even angry, we know what the kid MUST be!
Well, when women or men come to LF with a hurt that just won’t go away, with obsessions about what happened, with feelings that they can’t trust again, feeling total devastation, being hurt so badly yet can’t stop thinking about the partner, etc. etc…we don’t need to know a thing about the partner….we already know he or she HAD to be a p/s/n.
Our reaction is part of the diagnosis! And all I really need to see. People don’t make up this kind of pain!
So for anyone hurting like this, wondering if you partner is really a P or whatever….the answer is YES….or you wouldn’t feel this way!!!!
Only if you guys knew what I wanted to do to him after we broke up. It was slowly coming to a end cause we couldnt take eachother anymore and it just wasnt working, but he left me for another girl who was new to town before we ever officially deicded we were done. I went through an anger stage of litterally wanting to see him and punch him in the face. I can truely say I hate him. I hated when he would always say to me, ” you understand?” after everything like i was beneth him..
Yup that is what emotional betrayal does to you!
Well you understand now! That you are WAY ABOVE him in your ability to love, to care, to have empathy, to feel remorse.
OF COURSE he had a new girl before you guys were done with the relationship from hell. That’s what these guys do. They collect yoyo girls. Throw one out, reel in the other, then throw her half way out, reel in a new one…or maybe this old one will come back if I jerk on her string….They can have a lot of yoyos going at once. And make each one think she is the only one.
That poor girl doesn’t know what she is in for. It is always, always the same with these guys. Remember the guy who dumped me when I had just turned 16? Well, he finally did marry and STAY married. But he cheats on her all the time AND the reason he stays married? She’s an heiress.
They always are in it for THEMSELVES, never because they love or care. I feel really sorry for the new girl. And he maybe had to grab someone new to town, because the girls that grew up with him may have already figured out how bad he is, if he has been around for long.
He will keep on hurting people the rest of his life. That makes you angry, and rightfully so. Try to do something positive with that anger. You can’t change him, but you can do something to help others. Like you already have, by posting here on LF. I think your story has already helped a lot of people.
Rebound told me something this morning..(for those of you who don’t know, Rebound is my cat)…and yes he told me with much clarity…”you are beautiful just the way you are…you make me feel so good and secure and loved…I think you’re wonderful no matter what your past, and I’m so happy you’re a part of my life…I will always love you and never leave your side”…he told me this with his long loving stare from his black rimmed eyes…and with the gentle touch of his furry paw on my cheek as I awoke.
Yep, someday I’m gonna find meself a male that’s not quite so hairy to say those things the same way…with sweet honest eyes, and a tender touch as I awake…
Hi Hummingbird. I have a Pinky Doodle Who tells me too. He’s a little yellow tabby cat that I rescued as a tiny baby. He had a severe eye infection, his chest rattled, and he’d hold his nose straight up in the air, sneeze and blow out chunks. Skinny. I’m sure he would have died. He is fine now and loves me soooo much. Isn’t it wonderful being loved? My Pinky Doodle is my best friend!
Kim,
Yes it is…being loved UNCONDITIONALLY!! Too bad I didn’t stick to rescuing cats instead of sociopaths! Of course I would end up with a house full, but that’s the way we are isn’t it? Soft-hearted… nurturing…caring…our good qualities made us targets, but let us not forget these are still GOOD qualities, and I won’t change those things about myself. I won’t feed into the nice girls finish last! We can be nice and find partners that are NICE..RIGHT?? ABSOLUTELY!
Your Pinky Doodle sounds so sweet and I bet he loves you to death…I don’t know what I’d do without my kitties…let em call me the crazy cat lady up the street who talks to her pets…I don’t care….mine talk back…