Editor’s note: Lovefraud received this e-mail from a reader who we’ll call “Edna.”
I just had a two-month experience with a guy who, I am convinced, was grooming me for “the big scam.” I had been vigilant after a financial scourge from an ex who was an alcoholic/addict. Recently, however, grieving my mother’s ailing health and in a growing panic from the fires that raged in close proximity to my home, I sought some semblance of levity and allowed myself intimacy with a man, even after becoming very aware of several red flags. He seemed respectable, kind, and generous, was a friend of a friend and he loved the sun, the beach, nice dinners and good music.
I finally ended things last week because I could no longer deny that increasingly tumultuous feeling in my gut. Thankfully, it was soon enough to avoid any financial or emotional fall out. Hopefully this will help your readers.
THE RED FLAGS
- Over the top, grandiose gestures of flattery. Helicopter ride, flowers, wining and dining, wanting to whisk me off to the coast within the first week of dating.
- Tried to move the relationship too fast. He wanted to know if I was his girl within the first week.
- Needy and possessive. He seemed to want to spend all his time with me. Did not seem to have many friends.
- Lied about his financial condition. Bragged about his “properties” in Hawaii and elsewhere, his travels worldwide, how he paid cash for his fancy car. Found out later the properties all belonged to the “soon to be ex” and that she carried the mortgages. All that after claiming honesty was the most important thing to him.
- Called in a crisis. A week into dating, called to tell me he had no one else to talk to, but was in a panic because the “ex” cut off all his cards. I asked how she was in a position to do this. He said she was the primary cardholder. Sensing an imminent request for cash, I ditched him but resumed the connection a week later.
- Overly available – seemed to be available most days during work hours. He claimed to be an investigator who worked on a project basis. I noted that he didn’t return work calls promptly, hence the availability.
- No permanent place of residence. Claimed to be staying at his sister’s place (since 12/08) which was 3 hours in traffic from my place and 2 hours from his “work” place, had no discernable plans to move out (he had four pets and no landlord would take him), called me twice around 8 am from a Motel 6, had an inordinate amount of clothes in his car trunk, and once asked if he could do laundry at my place. His driver’s license was from Hawaii, and still listed the old address from 2008.
- No ATM card. He said he didn’t want one because it was too easy to spend money with it.
- Possible addictions – chainsmoker, potsmoker, binge drinker and lied about not using cocaine. I asked if he ever used cocaine and he said he used to but no longer did. One night after several beers, he wanted to make coffee because “he had no coke here”.
- Attempts to move in. He would leave articles of clothing, dirty laundry next to mine, or his toiletry case in my bathroom when he stayed over. He’d always try to stay “one more night” and would act like a banished peasant when I told him I needed my space. I’d bag his stuff after each stay and made sure he took it with him each time.
- Illegal activity. He tried to get me to stash his pot at my place or break into a vacant beach house and make love by their ocean view living room. I refused.
- Credit Card ploy. He tried to get me to place the b&b room reservations for our trip up the coast on my credit cards, saying he’d pay me later. When I refused, he gave the b&b his credit card number but my home and email address.
- Intrusive requests for confidential information. He asked me twice in different ways, what my mother’s maiden name was. I did not divulge her name. He asked what my billable rates were (I am a professional) and how long the next contract was for.
WHAT I DID DIFFERENTLY
This time around, I did not keep his atrocious requests and behavior a secret. I talked to my friends about it and journalled with rigorous honesty each day, confronting my own behaviors, without judgement. This helped me remain grounded when I’d start floating into romantic fantasy. I continued to read your blogs and website, as well as other books on spotting dangerous men, during those two months. I averted any requests for cash or use of my credit and set boundaries on how much time I spent with him. I continued to include other activites and friends in my life. I did not provide confidential financial information, although I checked my bank and credit card activity daily for fear he may have obtained it surreptitiously. Finally, amazed by the absurdity of having to protect myself from my lover, I ended it.
Sure it makes sense, think about it: if all the prostitutes start murdering their pimps and getting away from prostitution, WHO WILL BE LEFT TO HAVE SEX WITH THE JUDGE?!
The facts that are staring us right in the face are scary. You know that the judge cannot be so stupid as to believe that pimps are “good people too”. He must know that they are akin to slave owners. If he doesn’t, he shouldn’t be a judge.
There is no difference between Phillip Garrido and this pimp. Both women could have left at any time. Both had the opportunity to call for help. If Jaycee had become a prostitute instead of an office worker, would Phillip be off the hook today? Is the entire case against him depended on the first few moments of contact? The moments when Jaycee was grabbed and thrown into a truck? What if she had been lured with money and then lured into prostitution. Would Phil and his wife be allowed to go free now?
We need to EDUCATE PEOPLE about narcissism. But we can’t if we don’t invest the time and energy to educate ourselves first. This is crucial. The better you understand the complete picture, the more you can explain it to others. This information has to go viral.
Edna, Poor guy. Bet, he did not know what hit him. Must be wondering if he is losing his touch, LOL Have you no heart? (LOL). You must be all wrong to not appreciate him the way you did.
This made my day. Not only that you were able to stay grounded, but the fact that you learned from previous mistakes and applied the knowledge. This gives me hope. As I ever so slowly decide to venture outside (and my friends here on LF say it’s too soon for me), I now have hope that I’d be able to spot a con when I see one. Thank you for sharing
Edna…dodged a bullet! GREAT JOB!
Wow Edna thank you so much for your story! And journalling it too – something I will do next time I date a man.
Pretty much every single one of those I consider a red flag, except for maybe 3 or 8. With regard to number (8) on the list, some people just don’t like dealing with banks. My dad is one of them, he has no ATM card of his own – my mum has always handled their banking – and he’s a nice normal guy lol and has always worked. They’ve been together since they were 14 and 16, married since 1975! Also as regards (3) I know myself that when I met my ex I didn’t have many friends due to anxiety issues. Nothing to do with me being weird, lots of people wanted to be my friend but I don’t trust too easily after bad experiences. I have more now lol!
So those two I think we can kinda hold fire on a little bit but I feel that if just one of the other red flags is on the list either alone or along with (3) and/or (8) we definitely have a problem…
With my ex, I had 2 and 7 to deal with from the outset, number 3 came later. As far as number 2 goes, within two weeks/ around the second or third date he wanted to be exclusive boyfriend/girlfriend. I now realise I shouldn’t have consented to this as quickly. My experience with number 7 is a slightly different one to Edna’s but with the same elements of dependency and lack of maturity/responsibility – he still lived with his parents (in his 30s) with no intention of leaving. He still lives with them to my knowledge, 3 years on.
Number 3 came later, became more intense as time went on, but in a way the neediness and possessiveness had already shown itself in 2 within the first couple of weeks/dates lol! I guess I must have chosen to ignore it on some level…. The fact that he had lots of friends when we met (more than I did) probably served to blind me to this character flaw within him.
Definitely an incredibly helpful article this one though, thank you!! xxx
The REASON that it takes so much energy from us to identify and act upon the Red Flags is that, the RED FLAGS are usually things that people with good motives do as well, but with different end results.
To say that (some of these) are “bad” things to do, and anyone who does them is “bad” may be condemning someone who has pure motives.
This is why these people are evil. Read the account of the Serpent with Eve-pay close attention to his friendly behavior and her trusting spirit.
Also, in all my years of research, I have found that people with a history of excessive drug and/or alcohol use, tend to be sociopaths and/or narcissists.
They used chemicals to push out all of the ‘feel good” emotions in their brain and these do not replenish. Sometimes, these people did not use chemicals, but, sadly, were exposed to them:
http://www.brainplace.com/
WHY ARE THERE SO MANY OF THESE PEOPLE AROUND US?
We are now living in a generation of ex-drug/alcohol abusers (add that to those who were exposed accidentally) and they are not stable.
Recently a new woman friend of mine and I were discussing her abusive husband who was a drug dealer, I explained the above to her. She said, “but I used a LOT of coke in m 20’s and I’m not like that…”
This woman INSISTED that we were BFF’s the day we met.
Three weeks later, she turned on me over something stupid and THAT SAME DAY tried to damage me in the community and to close friends.
I dropped her like a hot potato and also, our shared girlfriend who helped her to bash me.
Because it is a small community, she is still “in” with a mutual close friend. She works at finding out when I have time with this friend, then she suddenly has “emergencies” where he has to drop everything, leave me, and go help her. I’ve had to babysit his kids (on ‘our’ weekend) so that he could go help her.
I warned him that she is going to be a constant thorn- but he laughs about it and thinks I will “get over it”. It is not something I have to get over, it is something I have learned to stay away from (the hard way).
He is nothing like her, but has zero experience in these people. He is really sweet and is very easily manipulated-exactly the way that I USED to be.
This week, I’m having a talk with him. Unfortunately, he will have to decide who he wants in his life, me, or her, because I am not sharing someone who is involved with a mean-spirited person. I want them ALL out of my life. Any connection is too much contact.
One thing about going through 40+ years of abuse, you kinda get to a point where severing relationships is not the end of your world, it is actually, a renewing of my world every time I have to do it.
It is a freedom I have earned, through blood, sweat, and tears! and I appreciate this freedom!
Fleeced Ewe, I would agree that many, many alcoholics, and addicts display the characteristic of sociopaths. I’m sure that many are full-blown, but many more, can and do recover, “if” as AA’s big book tells us, “they have the capacity to be honest”.
This is why the 12 steps are so importand for poeple recovering from addictions.
It is also said in AA, that our drinking was merely a symptom of some other problem.
My point is this: Alcoholics who work a program and get better, are not Psychopaths. If they were, they might be able to quit drinking, but they’d still display all those despicable behaviors. Some of the kindest most caring people I’ve ever met are recovering! I just had to throw in my 2 cents. Hope you’re having a great day!
Oh, I love your user name. Very clever!
Something to consider in regards to the brainplace link:
http://www.wired.com/medtech/health/magazine/16-06/mf_neurohacks?currentPage=1
kim frederick,
I agree with you Kim. For those who really work a 12 step program, there can be amazing results.
I was very fortunate to live in a small town that held alot of “open” AA meetings and was able to attend them even though I wasn’t an alcoholic, when I was struggling with family members alcohol abuse. And I learned ALOT. The 12 steps can be used to apply to so many things in life for ALL of us.
I think many times AA gets a bad rapp because you have so many court appointed people that don’t want to be there, and also some that claim years of “sobriety” but they are just as abusive and toxic as when they were drinking and using.
However that is certainly not the “whole” of the AA family. I met many wonderful, sincere, and kind people. Many who rose up from the absolute bottom and started a new life.
TOWANDA EWE!!!!!