Editor’s note: Lovefraud received this e-mail from a reader who we’ll call “Edna.”
I just had a two-month experience with a guy who, I am convinced, was grooming me for “the big scam.” I had been vigilant after a financial scourge from an ex who was an alcoholic/addict. Recently, however, grieving my mother’s ailing health and in a growing panic from the fires that raged in close proximity to my home, I sought some semblance of levity and allowed myself intimacy with a man, even after becoming very aware of several red flags. He seemed respectable, kind, and generous, was a friend of a friend and he loved the sun, the beach, nice dinners and good music.
I finally ended things last week because I could no longer deny that increasingly tumultuous feeling in my gut. Thankfully, it was soon enough to avoid any financial or emotional fall out. Hopefully this will help your readers.
THE RED FLAGS
- Over the top, grandiose gestures of flattery. Helicopter ride, flowers, wining and dining, wanting to whisk me off to the coast within the first week of dating.
- Tried to move the relationship too fast. He wanted to know if I was his girl within the first week.
- Needy and possessive. He seemed to want to spend all his time with me. Did not seem to have many friends.
- Lied about his financial condition. Bragged about his “properties” in Hawaii and elsewhere, his travels worldwide, how he paid cash for his fancy car. Found out later the properties all belonged to the “soon to be ex” and that she carried the mortgages. All that after claiming honesty was the most important thing to him.
- Called in a crisis. A week into dating, called to tell me he had no one else to talk to, but was in a panic because the “ex” cut off all his cards. I asked how she was in a position to do this. He said she was the primary cardholder. Sensing an imminent request for cash, I ditched him but resumed the connection a week later.
- Overly available – seemed to be available most days during work hours. He claimed to be an investigator who worked on a project basis. I noted that he didn’t return work calls promptly, hence the availability.
- No permanent place of residence. Claimed to be staying at his sister’s place (since 12/08) which was 3 hours in traffic from my place and 2 hours from his “work” place, had no discernable plans to move out (he had four pets and no landlord would take him), called me twice around 8 am from a Motel 6, had an inordinate amount of clothes in his car trunk, and once asked if he could do laundry at my place. His driver’s license was from Hawaii, and still listed the old address from 2008.
- No ATM card. He said he didn’t want one because it was too easy to spend money with it.
- Possible addictions – chainsmoker, potsmoker, binge drinker and lied about not using cocaine. I asked if he ever used cocaine and he said he used to but no longer did. One night after several beers, he wanted to make coffee because “he had no coke here”.
- Attempts to move in. He would leave articles of clothing, dirty laundry next to mine, or his toiletry case in my bathroom when he stayed over. He’d always try to stay “one more night” and would act like a banished peasant when I told him I needed my space. I’d bag his stuff after each stay and made sure he took it with him each time.
- Illegal activity. He tried to get me to stash his pot at my place or break into a vacant beach house and make love by their ocean view living room. I refused.
- Credit Card ploy. He tried to get me to place the b&b room reservations for our trip up the coast on my credit cards, saying he’d pay me later. When I refused, he gave the b&b his credit card number but my home and email address.
- Intrusive requests for confidential information. He asked me twice in different ways, what my mother’s maiden name was. I did not divulge her name. He asked what my billable rates were (I am a professional) and how long the next contract was for.
WHAT I DID DIFFERENTLY
This time around, I did not keep his atrocious requests and behavior a secret. I talked to my friends about it and journalled with rigorous honesty each day, confronting my own behaviors, without judgement. This helped me remain grounded when I’d start floating into romantic fantasy. I continued to read your blogs and website, as well as other books on spotting dangerous men, during those two months. I averted any requests for cash or use of my credit and set boundaries on how much time I spent with him. I continued to include other activites and friends in my life. I did not provide confidential financial information, although I checked my bank and credit card activity daily for fear he may have obtained it surreptitiously. Finally, amazed by the absurdity of having to protect myself from my lover, I ended it.
Oxy, have you got any new news about Lilly? Please let us know.
Dear Kim,
I agree with you also on the point that “Alcoholics who work a program and get better, are not Psychopaths.”
My ex of 3 year relationship was an alcoholic. He was waving some of the red flags above but none of the illegal activity. I didn’t get the most important flag which was the drinking. I didn’t have much experience with this but I learned how he kept it hidden…..At least the amount…
I read once you need to take the alcohol out of the alcoholic and then see what you got…..the reasons….But some are brain damaged with what they call “wet brain” and my ex displayed this damage. He was a bit of a narcissistic as well…..He really was not a sociopath…..But I didn’t know whether the drink made him the narcissistic……..He did try to to the right things….He was very capable of kindness and compassion…..Knowing what the alcoholic is and why are the key to understanding how to deal with the whole situation….
The next guy I dated didn’t drink, smoke or do drugs but was a sociopath and a sex addict….I thought I was doing so well with a man who didn’t have any addictions……so I thought…..
At times, I wished I was back with the alcoholic boyfriend since he was at least “human” and could feel……
Hey everyone: I am reaching my nirvana……After repeating my mantras regarding “its not love, honey, its co-dependency” and my little old lady guarding the door, throwing iron love clunks on the side of my thick skull, (thanks Oxy)…I have finally reached the point of not caring anymore…..I don’t care anymore about him…..Any feelings remaining just left me and I feel soooooo at peace……All the feeling of “love” drained out of me and I just didn’t care anymore….WOW…..
I made some brownies to celebrate….with a scoop of butter pecan ice cream….Life can be good…….
Vision, YUMMMM!
Kim, And a vanilla lavender soak in the tub with a candle will send my to nirvana a lot quicker!! So glad to have this site….If I am lonely, I post and feel so good….thanks!!
Vision….
Excellent news…..and I love your mantra!
Keep on moving girl…Life IS GOOD!
Enjoy your brownies and ice cream….
I’m with Kim….YUMMMMMMM!!!
Thanks Erin!!
a vanilla lavendar soak in the tub……WITH BROWNIES…….OH STOP!
Enjoy yourself….and continue to be good to yourself Vision!
Responding to Fleeced Ewe, who said: “in all my years of research, I have found that people with a history of excessive drug and/or alcohol use, tend to be sociopaths and/or narcissists…They used chemicals to push out all of the ’feel good” emotions in their brain and these do not replenish.”
FOR WHAT IT IS WORTH — ADDING TO YOUR POINT:
I had a recent phone conversation with my ex — he said many revealing things about some of his family members (and by extension, himself), including the comment: “whenever you find a narcissist, you will find someone who abuses substances.”
He also provided an overview of the culture (non-American) that he grew up — said it bred narcissism because life was so hard and people had little choice but to engage in manipulation just to get basic needs met.
My boundaries remain intact for the most part, but I found it interesting he would get so in-depth about this condition since I consider him to be a N.
very interesting recovering.
So much food for thought. Mine is also very self-aware but not very culturally aware (everything is always about him).
He grew up poor but i think his mom spoiled him and his father beat him.
Vision,
I love your mantra. And here is a song to go with it “I don’t care any more” (wait for the chorus).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puSQjcAxbR0