By James
A few days ago while watching television with my oldest son, he turned to me and said, “You know, Dad, what biggest lie she ever told us was?”
I said, “No, son, I don’t.”
“When she told us nothing was going to change, and how much everything has changed.”
“Guess so, Son. Maybe that was the biggest lie she ever told us.”
I remember that day so well, as if it only happened yesterday. It was the evening of May 22, 2006, between the hours of 7 p.m. and 8:30 p.m. The cold months were ending and summer would soon be here, only this summer would be much more different than my children and I could ever imagine. I just finished with the washing, trying to help out more around the house, after my ex and I had a big fight on Mother’s Day, when she decided not to come home, after telling me about her going to a hair demonstration with her sister and mother. I know now that was a lie, and that she left the state and went to spend the night with the person whom she left her children for. In fact, I was even at this time still trying to work on our relationship, again and again, trying to satisfy her by doing whatever it took to somehow make this relationship work. To somehow save our relationship and save my family. After finishing the washing, my ex out of the blue informed me that she had something to tell me and she believed that I wouldn’t like it, as stated by her own words.
I looked at her and, without her saying one word, I replied, “You met someone and you are leaving us?”
She only shook her head yes to reply.
“Do you love him?” I asked. And she only shook her head yes to reply.
For some reason after she informed me of this, the time she didn’t return home on Mother’s Day came flooding back to me. Her telling me a few days before how her mother and sister wanted her to go with them to some kind of hair event. I remembered calling her cell phone late that evening, the day before Mother’s Day, and asking when she was coming home, and her telling me that she was going to spend the night at her mother’s home and then return home on Mother’s Day. I remembered asking her what time on Sunday would she be getting home, and she informed me that it would be late. I reminded her that it was Mother’s Day, and I wanted to spend some of the day as a family with her and the boys. She told me that she would return home early, and this too was a lie. In fact, she didn’t return home on Mother’s Day until very late that evening.
After telling me about leaving us, and how she would move in and live with her parents (that too was a lie), she told me that she would leave in a week. Now, dear readers, please understand what kind of emotional state I was in, trying hard to deal with this. I told her NO! If she wanted to go she would have to leave tonight, believing this was best for the children, her and myself. I demanded that she get what property she needed and leave as soon as possible. Soon both children were alerted because once again we were fighting. They asked me what was wrong and I informed both children that their mother was leaving us for another man and would be living with her parents. My oldest was 15 at the time and glad that she was leaving, in fact he told me, “Dad, I am glad she is leaving!” Still my other child, 12 years of age, was in tears. My heart was torn…
For some reason my 12-year-old wanted to know the name of the person she was leaving us for. He begged her and I told her to just TELL HIM! The name she gave him was also a lie, which we didn’t learn until a few weeks after she left. But you see, dear readers, that still wasn’t the biggest lie. I also remember when she told us the she was willing to stay for one week before leaving, and my youngest son begging me to let her. Where was she standing while my 12-year-old was begging and crying out to me? She was standing right behind him! Looking at me, while my youngest was begging me, with a slight grin on her face! I remember that grin so well because I saw it many times before on her! She would smile like that when she knew she had me over a barrel, but this time it didn’t work! I replied to him, “No Son, I believe it would be best for her to leave tonight.”
I remember her telling me she wouldn’t leave the house until she used our house phone (I never really knew who she called) to call her mother to tell her she was coming over. So I told her to use her cell phone. She replied that she didn’t have any minute left on the cell to use. This too was a lie, because a couple days later my oldest told me he remembered seeing her add minutes to her cell that day. But still this wasn’t the biggest lie.
Then at one point during this nightmare, she told both the boys, “Nothing was going to change, only your dad and me won’t be living together anymore.”
I, of course, yelled back at her, “THAT IS A LIE AND EVERYTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE!” As I told her this, I was looking straight in her face, and this is what I saw: Nothing!
Dear readers, please allow to me explain. I saw this plain, emotionally detached look on her face many times before, but for some reason, maybe because this would be the last time I would see “the look,” it took a different shape and a new meaning for me.
What I witnessed were two children in emotional turmoil. Me being torn between wanting her to leave and still wanting her to stay. The oldest yelling at me to let her go, “Dad, just let her GO!” He had enough of her and her BS. The other child crying, begging her not to leave and begging me to let her stay for the week she requested! I, too, was torn, but knew the best thing at this moment was to get her out as quickly as possible, believing her lies about living with her parents. I witnessed three people in anguish. But in her blank expression I saw absolutely nothing! No emotions, no feeling! No empathy or compassion for her own children. No tears from her! No regrets from her! I witnessed from her not one single emotional expression, other then that grin, when she was standing behind my youngest son who was begging me to let her stay for one week! I saw nothing in those eyes!
At the time I didn’t know what a sociopath was. Never knew anything about people that suffer from personality disorders. Narcissistic behavior was just a word I heard from a movie I watched. A borderline personality disorder? What was that? I knew nothing about any of these terms. So why, when I saw her expression during this time did it chill me to the bone and throw me for an emotional loop I can never explain? Out of all the fights we had during our 17 years together, how does this one stand out so clear in my mind? The reason I believe, dear readers, is because I looked into the eyes of a sociopath and saw the deep abyss of someone who could tell her own children the biggest lie, and not even blink. I saw in those eyes nothing, empty of any emotional connection between her children and herself. I SAW NOTHING! I SAW THE EYES OF A SOCIOPATH FOR THE FIRST TIME, BUT THIS TIME I REALLY TRULY SAW IT AND REMEMBER IT! EVEN TO THIS DAY!
Moraira,
I think that the way “pride” is used as a vice is referring to being NARCISSISTIC, not just having “pride in your good things” and it is also meaning I think as a UNFOUNDED pride. LIke people who are “snooty” because their ancestors were successful or famous. That sort of thing. Like our Ns and Ps brag about scamming others, about getting away with crime, etc. that is “PRIDE” as a VICE.
Moraira,
Talk to your daughter and SEE how SHE FEELS aobut it. Don’t just assume that she will be embarassed by his actions.
Lots of time assuming that someone else will “think” or “feel” a certain way and basing your actions on that assumption turns out to be wrong.
Yes, too, “you do not matter” TO HIM. Neither does your daughter. I have stopped being embarassed ab out what others think. My entire life my mother was more concerned with “what the neighbors would think” and “hiding the bad deeds of the Ps” in the family. Well, I am no longer embarassed by what someone else does. If i am embarassed it will be for my OWN actions, not someone else.
Hi OxDrover,
today I have been able to cut off from him a lot more, I just want him gone and am getting excited thinking about it. I have been so lethargic recently, not doing anything in the house. I think the first thing I will do is spring clean and get it nice, at the moment it seems pointless. Daughter really just wants him gone now, I had to keep her off school today because she was sick with anxiety, we had a nice day together just relaxing and talking about booking a spa day with some friends when we can save up for it.
Dear Moraira,
Good for you! I am glad you let her stay home from school, I am sure she needed that much more than going to school. You don’t even have to “save up” for a “spa day” you can do one at home, just the two of you. Give each other back rubs, and soaks in the tub. ONe is the “attendant” and then you trade places. Polish each other’s toe nails, and all the neat things. It would even be more personal for you two, just the two of you. Time you spend with her now is golden! You and she both need it.
I am glad that you are getting more energy, that is good. It is difficult to summon either mental OR physical “energy” when you are depressed, feeling hopeless and helpless.
I a so glad that you and your daughter are on the “same page” about your H. I know it is difficult for her to accept that her parent doesn’t love her, but at the same time, it is better than him being able to alienate her from you, and you can support each other. You still have to be the “parent” and not do like your mother did to you, but at the same time, it is wonderful she is old enough to understand some of the concepts about what he IS.
My son D and I were at one time the only two people in the family that were not “against” us and persecuting us. I don’t know what I would have done if I had not had him there for comfort, and vice versa. The rest of the family had decided he wasn’t “blood” so he wasn’t “family.” Of course that was my P-son’s jealousy and greed trying to cut out adopted son D. He and my son C have now restored their relationship and I am glad that they have each other. So, now it is the three of us, sons C and D and me—hey, that rhymes! We are closer than ever and can totally trust each other. I am SO fortunate that I have two wonderful sons for support. Even though son C has moved 8 hrs or so away, we are closer than when he lived next door. C’s P-wife kept him isolated from all of us except P-son and her boy-friend who was pretending to be C’s friend.
Just getting the Ps all out of my life, and now that I no longer “long” for them, and don’t give a rat’s behind what is happening to them, don’t even want to know, I don’t have to worry about anything! Life is GOOD AGAIN. It has BEEN SO LONG since I have been really happy. I feel like I have been let out of “prison”—-I feel FREE.
It is almost a euphoric feeling. Emotionally I am ALIVE again, OUT OF PAIN. I realize now that the ONLY person I am responsible for is ME. I do not have anyone dependent on me. My sons and I are inter-dependent, but I am not dependent on them for my happiness, or vice versa. INTER-dependence is a wonderful state of mind and a great relationship.
You will get there Moraira, but the road between NOW and then is an uphill climb, but I PROMISE YOU IT IS WORTH IT!
moraira
I know how psychotic they can be when we didn’t do anything wrong other then questions some of their actions and asking them to be accountable for them. So when we start to think about doing something as in a legal matter. We question ourselves and wonder what kind of repercussion we might receive after we start legal preceding. In short we worry what might happen so I understand your hesitation for I too have let something’s just go fearing what stops us won’t stop them for revenge. Morally speaking what stops us doesn’t stop them. In short we have a right to be afraid and should also “think” first before leaping into something that can hurt us or those we love…
is anyone on line, I have a big problem
I told S he is going to have to leave because I cant take anymore, after all the recent things I found out. Daughter is traumatised by everything. it has affected her relationship with her boyfriend and he wants to cool it because of her dad. I explained to him that we hadnt been getting on for a long time and now it was affecting our daughter so much we needed to put and end to it. I asked if we coiuld do it in a civilised way.
I got a text saying he doesnt understand
i txted back the same thing and he sent me a vicious text saying i needed help, was twisting everything and weird. he said he wasnt going anywhere as he had no bond or deposit. he said he was going round to daughters boyfriends house after work to sort it out. I told him it was nothing to do with them and the boys parents dont know whats been going on.
i got another txt back
“i am being accused of something which i know nothing about and so i am innocentand i will find out what i am being accused of and set the record straight”
i txted him
again and told him not to involve them as it was his daughter that was upset and that was the issue, they were not accusing him of anything.
next txt “still going to his parents and find out what I am being accused of ps. going back into work now, speak to u after I speak to his parents,”
what should I do he is scaring me, he seems to want to cause trouble for our daughter who is upset enough, he just doesnt get it. He refuses to leave and is not paying any bills or mortgage, I dont know what to do
Moraira43, IMO he is engaging in typical P manipulations. He is “teaching” you and your daughter that you are to be isolated and keep your mouths shut about him, not involving others, or otherwise he will embarrass you and there will be hell to pay. Thus, the threats to talk to the boyfriends parents.
Have you talked to an Attorney, or to Legal Aide? IMO you just need to stop asking him to do anything like move out of the house or trying to get cooperation out of him, because it is clear he is not going to cooperate in any way, shape, or form. Seems like your best bet would be to seek legal advice on the house and divorce, and get the ball rolling in that direction. You can’t depend on him to help with the house mortgage anyway (it is already in arrears due to his inaction) so you might as well get him out.
Oh, one other thing that I found helpful with threats that seemed to take the wind of out their sails, insteading or arguing or trying to reason with them. Saying one little phrase: “Ok, whatever.”
thanks for that advice jen, I will try to keep it calm with him
cant stand much more of this
have sought legal advice to get S out of the family home. was informed that because I am working it would cost me at least £1500 to seek an occupation order and if he contests it I will have to pay again, it will not be granted if S says he has knowhere to stay and if I cannot cover mortgage on my income. So the law is no use to me, I can get a non molestation order while he is still in the family home but I think that would make things worse and again I would have to pay. the law needs changing as it is no help to me in its present state.
If I leave he will not be able to pay mortgage and house will be re-possessed ruining my credit for the future. and losing all my equity.
Would sell but market dead in the uk.
I am thinking of representing myself with the help of a domestic violence agency who give support but thay cant guarantee it would be granted