Editor’s note: Lovefraud received the following letter from the reader who posts as “SocioSibs.” She asks, “what would you do?”
What if you have reason to believe that someone you know is a serious danger to others? You’ve known this person almost all your life, grew up together in the same family.
Until recently, this person had a huge menagerie of animals housed on an acre of land, including a horse, 13 dogs, 5 cats, turkeys & peacocks and possibly a parrot or 2. Yet when she abandoned the property, all but 2 dogs she took with her disappeared in a span of just weeks.
Subsequent to this person’s latest move (one of 25 or so over a half-century), you found a couple of canine carcasses hidden behind a barn and miscellaneous skeletal remains strewn about the former property, which conjured a memory of walking in on this person during very early puberty as she was holding a live wild bird over the bathroom sink with a knife to decapitate it, exclaiming upon the surprise encounter that she couldn’t cure it so was putting the poor creature out of its misery.
Then you locate childhood friends and others from this person’s past, learning that one witnessed her strangling or drowning numerous animals, with that same explanation, since age 12. Another witness tells of repeated torture of animals, including punching & kicking her horse (one of 2 that a boyfriend bought her), savagely beating her dog daily, and crushing the skulls of kittens between her fingers and tossing them out of her car onto the ground, all during her mid-teen years.
You recall visions of her often hitting & kicking family pets, to the horror and pain of her parent and sibling, who tried but never could completely curtail it. And then you find a multitude of accounts from witnesses and public records of this person accusing multiple people of stalking her from age 13 through recent years, along with reports this person has made of others poisoning her plants & pets, some of whom died as a result, which stirs memories of childhood pets that died mysteriously, healthy pets whom this person hypothesized at the time must have been poisoned by neighbors or stalkers.
An ex-spouse reports that when divorce became imminent she cooked him a “special” meal, after which he became quite ill and came down with a severe rash all over his body, never experienced before or since. Concurrently this person was attempting to entice a former lover to relocate half-way across the country, unbeknownst to the would-be-again lover that this person was also accusing him of stalking and threatening to kill her due to his mad obsession.
This person has a now-young-adult offspring who has been plagued by mysterious illnesses since infancy, and ended up in hospital emergency rooms more often than most people who live to ripe old ages. One disease that was actually diagnosed was touted to some as the first case in the state, but she may have had access to the bacteria while a biological science student at a major university in the early 90s (for which someone else paid and from which she did not graduate), prior to the meticulous tracking these days of contagious pathogens. And you hear that her ex-spouse independently came to the same conclusion as you as to how your niece contracted it.
You recollect a tale she told of a male roommate brandishing a knife with the person’s then 10-year-old child present, and another when the child was 12 and sexually molested by someone’s 15-year-old son right in the next room.
You are aware of at least 2 occasions when Child Protective Services were called on this person, but in each case she wriggled out of charges. Then, when you contact CPS yourself to inquire, the intake worker on the other end can’t tell you what, if any, reports there may be that have not resulted in convictions. However, seeing it for himself on the computer screen, he urges you to call protective services in the state where this person’s child now resides, even asking you to hold on while he looks up the phone number for you and stresses that you speak with a supervisor there if you don’t get results during the initial call.
Indeed, other authorities whom you contact say they can’t do anything now that this person is no longer within their jurisdiction, while provoking guilt for your not having done something about her sooner. Some suggest you at least try to do something where she is now, recommending entities to contact, even if it’s too little too late.
This person has vilified anyone who could threaten to expose her, portrays herself as a persecuted, sweet, innocent victim of her targeted victims, has been abusing & killing animals since childhood but has come to be known as an “animal whisperer.” You have evidence that she’s been poisoning animals and possibly humans for years, has been lying & stealing and casting blame on others since early childhood, with a criminal record for larceny since at least turning 18 (juvenile records are sealed), and a felony arson record.
Then you find out that this person has fled to another state, welcomed with open arms by family into a home where a young relative resides, knowing that they implicitly trust and feel very sorry for her, for “all she’s been through.”
What if you, too, have defended, protected, and advocated for this person all through the years, because you, too, have been blinded by the bizarre stories she fabricates and sympathy she so ably elicits? And you staunchly held onto the lifelong belief that every person has a heart. But now you can no longer ignore that truly innocent people actually are, and always have been, in danger.
What if this person, knowing you could blow her cover, preemptively already got deep into the heads of the rest of your family and convinced them that you are crazy and evil and out to get her, even though there’s not a shred of substantiation of her claims, but she’s mastered the art of manipulation and has skillfully succeeded in obliterating your credibility & character?
What if you knew all this and so much more, and this person were still on the loose seriously harming others and getting away with it, invited and naively trusted to be alone around those most vulnerable, such as children and animals? What if, having been the most consistently present over this person’s lifetime, with nobody else recognizing the danger or mustering the courage or possessing comprehensive information, you find you’re probably the best candidate to piece together the puzzle so that others might see the whole picture, thereby alerting & enabling them to protect themselves, too? Would you speak up?
Now add that what got your investigative ball rolling was the death of the parent that resulted in the threat of losing your home. Because of a fluke when the parent helped save the sibling from losing her home several years ago as aftermath of a divorce, the deed ended up in the parent’s name, so that now both siblings own it 50-50 because there was no will. The sibling can file a legal claim by which she may possibly regain title to her house, but with the family turned against her, they will likely help this person fight the sibling in court, viewing this person as the tragic victim of a greedy sibling.
Suppose this person attempted to get a sizeable advance of her presumed inheritance, prior to creditors being paid, and prior to the estate administrator discovering that she destroyed what she had been deceiving the family as being the largest asset — the house she lived in that the parent bought her and made all the monthly mortgage payments on (in addition to paying most or all her other bills, even restitution & probation fees), so that now it’s worth less than the remaining note due on it. Third consecutive house that she irreparably demolished—the first being the one she burned down; as opposed to the sibling who originally purchased her own house, for the most part paid her own mortgage, whose house appreciated in value, and who certainly never caused destruction to anyone’s property.
Then it turned out that there will be no inheritance because this person depleted or destroyed all the parent’s financial resources already. The only asset left of any value is the sibling’s house (a small cottage with 50K equity in a low-middle income subdivision, compared to her 4-bedroom 2 bath on an acre that she ruined), while outstanding debts leave the entire estate at a deficit that can force a sale by creditors, debts that can be traced back primarily to this person. Despite these irrefutable facts, this person has convinced the family that the sibling is just trying to take everything, even though there is nothing to take. All the sibling wanted was to keep her own house that she bought herself 2 decades ago and has been inhabiting, maintaining & improving, and caring for ever since.
This all started as a pursuit of the sibling to rightfully keep her home, make it a fair fight, sibling vs. sibling, without the whole family against the one sibling. Now that so much devastating new evidence has since come to light, it has grown into a pursuit to enlighten family members so that they can protect themselves, including the sibling’s own life and that of her child, from this person.
At least one family member admonished that, under the circumstances, that makes you, the sibling, the worst candidate to speak up, condemnable for even considering it, no matter how much you’ve discovered that’s led you to acknowledge that this person is very dangerous and that people — including you and your child — are in harm’s way, because it only makes you appear to have a less than noble motive.
What, if anything, would you do?
Learn more: How to report your abuser’s crimes so the police take you seriously
Lovefraud originally posted this article on Oct. 27, 2010.
Wow, Sky, I stopped reading halfway through to come back here…it sounds like he is talking about trauma bonds when he talks about skandelon….Wow, wow, wow.
Joy/Hulga limped too…well she actually used a crutch but that’s close enough. She was an emotional cripple.
Yes, I remember that movie. She was deaf, too, wasn’t she? Or did she just teach the deaf? Anyway that movie scared the daylights out of me….
yes, yes, yes! trauma bonds, you keep tripping up and hurting yourself on the same old stones.
I’d forgot about Joy/Hulga…..
I didn’t see the movie, I read the book, but it was a bit dark for my tastes and can’t remember all the details.
Wow,
Just reading this thread. You guys are SO INTELLIGENT. I’m awe inspired. Need to do some more reading! Sky I really enjoy Rene Girard. Thanks for the link
Kim, you’re amazing. You know sooooo much stuff! You’re a very wise woman!
Eden, sure wish I could meet you all. But I’m a little too far up the west coast.
Sky, good luck and have a good time!
LL
I’ve said ever since I got to LF that the people here are the brightest on any blog I have been on—most blogs are just a bunch of dummys spouting carp, but there are some intelligent conversations go on here unlike a lot of places. Sure, we have our silly moments but in general there’s a lot of great stuff here from some pretty smart folks. I like hanging out with folks who are smart and literate, cause I learn something new every single day!
Claudia,
I read your article on the blog and it was VERY good. I’d like to comment about it, if you’re willing to share your email address?
I’ve really been thinking a lot about this the last few days.
LL
Ox,
I enjoy it too. But what I’m realizing is that I’m not the brightest crayon in the box lol!
I feel humbled. There is so much more I could learn….another enlightening thing is that when I was with spath, I wasn’t “allowed” to appear as “smart” as he was. I lost a lot of my intellectual abilities and that makes me sad…..
It will take some time to get all of that back.
I enjoy the intellectual stimulation here. I feel proud to be amongst such bright men and women!
LL
LL, My X-BF thought he had to be the EXPERT on EVERYTHING. My late husband who WAS an expert on several different fields and I would discuss, debate and argue over lots of things, but when it came to HIS FIELDS I did not argue with him, I learned from him, and MOSTLY he did from me on my fields of expertise…the BF, NOPE he had to be the expert at things he KNEW NADA ABOUT! It was so funny. One time he made some DUMB statement about something medical and I gently went and got a reference book and showed him that he was absolutely 180 degrees off on what he said. I really did do it “gently” but he became ENRAGED! He STORMED out of the house and later when I tried to discuss it, he said “well, I don’t like a woman thinking she knows more than I do about anything.” DUH??? And I still stayed with him? DUH!!!???? Yea, I did! If I said “pass the salt” in the wrong tone of voice I was “ordering him around” and I put up with that carp for several months—crying when I had “made him feel bad.” Actually , he was quite bright but he didn’t have a college degree and he had a chip on his shoulder about it, but he liked to hang out with people who did have college degrees, but he wanted to appear as “smart” or “smarter” or more educated than anyone else, especially a WOMAN.
He also had a chip on his shoulder about money too. He had grown up “poor” and so he felt that if someone had more money than he did he felt inferior, so he would FLAUNT what he had (which was NOT all that much!) He drove a moderately expensive sports car, but he was VERY IMPRESSED WITH IT. I mean it wasn’t like he was really “rich” or anything, only “moderately comfortable” but he FELT RICH compared to how he had grown up. He probably wasn’t any more “poor” than my family was, my step dad was a school teacher, but he FELT POOR. I never FELT poor growing up even though we were relatively poor.
My grandfather (egg donor’s father) had FELT poor growing up and they were SEVERELY poor, and there were times he didn’t own a pair of pants without a patch in them when he was a young man….and he was ASHAMED to wear them to town. Funny though, when he was older and had PLENTY OF GOOD CLOTHES IN THE CLOSET, he would go to town in a pair of patched pants and it didn’t bother him because he KNEW HE HAD A CHOICE…he no longer “felt” poor.
My P sperm donor FLAUNTED his wealth even when he didn’t have it…but eventually he became super wealthy and made the Forbes 400 list of richest people in the US, but that was pre-Bill Gates era so by the Gates standards, my Sperm donor was only “slightly rich” but he LOVED having people bow down to him because of his money. He loved the power it gave him he thought.
Rich or poor, I think is relative to what our expectations are and what our desires are. Well or ill is relative as well. Happy or not is also relative to what our expectations are, and smart or dumb is as well. Personally, I think I am one of THE WEALTHIEST PEOPLE ON EARTH—richer than Bill Gates even—because I have every material possession I NEED and MOST OF WHAT I WANT. The Apostle Paul advised the people he wrote to to BE CONTENT WHATEVER YOUR STATUS IS—even the people who were SLAVES he advised them to gain their freedom if they could, but if not, to BE CONTENT even as slaves, because whatever our status that we can’t change, if we are DISCONTENT over it all the time, we are unhappy and miserable, so we have to find ways to be CONTENT, to change something if we CAN but if we can’t change it, ACCEPT IT and be CONTENT. I’ve thought about that advice so many times.
BE CONTENT in whatever you can’t change. Sort of like the AA prayer about “accepting the things I cannot change…and the wisdom to KNOW THE DIFFERENCE.”
There’s a lot of stuff I can’t change in this world, things in my life about me I can’t change, but I am working hard on changing the things I can change and accepting those things I can’t change. It makes me a whole lot more contented and happy.
BTW I cleaned out my bedroom closet today and went SHOPPING in there—and found a whole NEW WARDROBE IN THERE! Brand new jeans (5 pair!) that just fit! New blouses that are sooooo cool and JUST FIT! How cool is that?! On my way to the next size down, but I think I’ll have to go to Goodwill to do my next shopping trip I think I’m about out of smaller sizes in the closet! But that’s a good thing!
LL, I agree with you: the contributors of lovefraud are not only caring and supportive, but also very intelligent and cultivated. But your analogy to the “brightest crayon” works in your favor: there are many bright colors in the box and each has something important to contribute to the picture.
I’d love to read your thoughts about my post on emotional abuse. You also mentioned earlier having a creative idea you’d like to share. My email is kmoscovici@hotmail.com
Hi
I found this site after ending my relationship with a sociopath. He met many of the traits. I met online and conned me into believing he was a successful local businessman. After I found out he had cheated on me and was dating other women, I started researching his background and found out he was a convicted felon, in debt, suspended driving license, check fraud the list goes on…The lies and deceit were unreal! But here I am struggling with the break up,as my friends put it he had a tight grip on me and I was being suffocated. He spent every evening with me and my children which makes me sick to even think I trusted this person to stay in my home. He was so charming and articulate. How can a person be so deceiving and tell you they love you. Within 4 months he asked me to marry him, but never gave me a ring. I still can’t believe all the red flags I ignored.
It hurts so much. He has tried to contact me and leaves me messages saying he loves me and to not throw this relationship away. I got physically sick when I heard it.
He actually said in a text right after I went to house with all of his stuff and told him it was over, ” do you think you can do better than me?” I couldn’t believe this man,first he is 15 years older than me, a connvicted felon and in debt up to his ears. Its pathetic he tried to turn the blame on me and not once even admitted to his lies.
I haven’t slept since last wed when I ended it. I wake up crying and having nightmares. I keep looking over my shoulder thinking he is going to show up at my house. I am having anxiety attacks and can’t get him out of my mind.
I think I’m addicted to these people. I have been married to a sociopath before when I was 19 and then married an alcoholic and drug addict for 10 years. Here I am left picking up the pieces of a relationship built on lies. What do I do now?
I have ordered a bunch of books to help me deal with all of this. It was only nine months and I am so glad I finally listened to my intuition and got out of his grasp….