Editor’s note: Lovefraud received the following letter from the reader who posts as “SocioSibs.” She asks, “what would you do?”
What if you have reason to believe that someone you know is a serious danger to others? You’ve known this person almost all your life, grew up together in the same family.
Until recently, this person had a huge menagerie of animals housed on an acre of land, including a horse, 13 dogs, 5 cats, turkeys & peacocks and possibly a parrot or 2. Yet when she abandoned the property, all but 2 dogs she took with her disappeared in a span of just weeks.
Subsequent to this person’s latest move (one of 25 or so over a half-century), you found a couple of canine carcasses hidden behind a barn and miscellaneous skeletal remains strewn about the former property, which conjured a memory of walking in on this person during very early puberty as she was holding a live wild bird over the bathroom sink with a knife to decapitate it, exclaiming upon the surprise encounter that she couldn’t cure it so was putting the poor creature out of its misery.
Then you locate childhood friends and others from this person’s past, learning that one witnessed her strangling or drowning numerous animals, with that same explanation, since age 12. Another witness tells of repeated torture of animals, including punching & kicking her horse (one of 2 that a boyfriend bought her), savagely beating her dog daily, and crushing the skulls of kittens between her fingers and tossing them out of her car onto the ground, all during her mid-teen years.
You recall visions of her often hitting & kicking family pets, to the horror and pain of her parent and sibling, who tried but never could completely curtail it. And then you find a multitude of accounts from witnesses and public records of this person accusing multiple people of stalking her from age 13 through recent years, along with reports this person has made of others poisoning her plants & pets, some of whom died as a result, which stirs memories of childhood pets that died mysteriously, healthy pets whom this person hypothesized at the time must have been poisoned by neighbors or stalkers.
An ex-spouse reports that when divorce became imminent she cooked him a “special” meal, after which he became quite ill and came down with a severe rash all over his body, never experienced before or since. Concurrently this person was attempting to entice a former lover to relocate half-way across the country, unbeknownst to the would-be-again lover that this person was also accusing him of stalking and threatening to kill her due to his mad obsession.
This person has a now-young-adult offspring who has been plagued by mysterious illnesses since infancy, and ended up in hospital emergency rooms more often than most people who live to ripe old ages. One disease that was actually diagnosed was touted to some as the first case in the state, but she may have had access to the bacteria while a biological science student at a major university in the early 90s (for which someone else paid and from which she did not graduate), prior to the meticulous tracking these days of contagious pathogens. And you hear that her ex-spouse independently came to the same conclusion as you as to how your niece contracted it.
You recollect a tale she told of a male roommate brandishing a knife with the person’s then 10-year-old child present, and another when the child was 12 and sexually molested by someone’s 15-year-old son right in the next room.
You are aware of at least 2 occasions when Child Protective Services were called on this person, but in each case she wriggled out of charges. Then, when you contact CPS yourself to inquire, the intake worker on the other end can’t tell you what, if any, reports there may be that have not resulted in convictions. However, seeing it for himself on the computer screen, he urges you to call protective services in the state where this person’s child now resides, even asking you to hold on while he looks up the phone number for you and stresses that you speak with a supervisor there if you don’t get results during the initial call.
Indeed, other authorities whom you contact say they can’t do anything now that this person is no longer within their jurisdiction, while provoking guilt for your not having done something about her sooner. Some suggest you at least try to do something where she is now, recommending entities to contact, even if it’s too little too late.
This person has vilified anyone who could threaten to expose her, portrays herself as a persecuted, sweet, innocent victim of her targeted victims, has been abusing & killing animals since childhood but has come to be known as an “animal whisperer.” You have evidence that she’s been poisoning animals and possibly humans for years, has been lying & stealing and casting blame on others since early childhood, with a criminal record for larceny since at least turning 18 (juvenile records are sealed), and a felony arson record.
Then you find out that this person has fled to another state, welcomed with open arms by family into a home where a young relative resides, knowing that they implicitly trust and feel very sorry for her, for “all she’s been through.”
What if you, too, have defended, protected, and advocated for this person all through the years, because you, too, have been blinded by the bizarre stories she fabricates and sympathy she so ably elicits? And you staunchly held onto the lifelong belief that every person has a heart. But now you can no longer ignore that truly innocent people actually are, and always have been, in danger.
What if this person, knowing you could blow her cover, preemptively already got deep into the heads of the rest of your family and convinced them that you are crazy and evil and out to get her, even though there’s not a shred of substantiation of her claims, but she’s mastered the art of manipulation and has skillfully succeeded in obliterating your credibility & character?
What if you knew all this and so much more, and this person were still on the loose seriously harming others and getting away with it, invited and naively trusted to be alone around those most vulnerable, such as children and animals? What if, having been the most consistently present over this person’s lifetime, with nobody else recognizing the danger or mustering the courage or possessing comprehensive information, you find you’re probably the best candidate to piece together the puzzle so that others might see the whole picture, thereby alerting & enabling them to protect themselves, too? Would you speak up?
Now add that what got your investigative ball rolling was the death of the parent that resulted in the threat of losing your home. Because of a fluke when the parent helped save the sibling from losing her home several years ago as aftermath of a divorce, the deed ended up in the parent’s name, so that now both siblings own it 50-50 because there was no will. The sibling can file a legal claim by which she may possibly regain title to her house, but with the family turned against her, they will likely help this person fight the sibling in court, viewing this person as the tragic victim of a greedy sibling.
Suppose this person attempted to get a sizeable advance of her presumed inheritance, prior to creditors being paid, and prior to the estate administrator discovering that she destroyed what she had been deceiving the family as being the largest asset — the house she lived in that the parent bought her and made all the monthly mortgage payments on (in addition to paying most or all her other bills, even restitution & probation fees), so that now it’s worth less than the remaining note due on it. Third consecutive house that she irreparably demolished—the first being the one she burned down; as opposed to the sibling who originally purchased her own house, for the most part paid her own mortgage, whose house appreciated in value, and who certainly never caused destruction to anyone’s property.
Then it turned out that there will be no inheritance because this person depleted or destroyed all the parent’s financial resources already. The only asset left of any value is the sibling’s house (a small cottage with 50K equity in a low-middle income subdivision, compared to her 4-bedroom 2 bath on an acre that she ruined), while outstanding debts leave the entire estate at a deficit that can force a sale by creditors, debts that can be traced back primarily to this person. Despite these irrefutable facts, this person has convinced the family that the sibling is just trying to take everything, even though there is nothing to take. All the sibling wanted was to keep her own house that she bought herself 2 decades ago and has been inhabiting, maintaining & improving, and caring for ever since.
This all started as a pursuit of the sibling to rightfully keep her home, make it a fair fight, sibling vs. sibling, without the whole family against the one sibling. Now that so much devastating new evidence has since come to light, it has grown into a pursuit to enlighten family members so that they can protect themselves, including the sibling’s own life and that of her child, from this person.
At least one family member admonished that, under the circumstances, that makes you, the sibling, the worst candidate to speak up, condemnable for even considering it, no matter how much you’ve discovered that’s led you to acknowledge that this person is very dangerous and that people — including you and your child — are in harm’s way, because it only makes you appear to have a less than noble motive.
What, if anything, would you do?
Learn more: How to report your abuser’s crimes so the police take you seriously
Lovefraud originally posted this article on Oct. 27, 2010.
Star,
I don’t know where you are, but I”m only ONE state away and I WISH I could drive down! that would be SO FUN!
Star, did you see ox’s post about a hotel? LOL! Funny stuff!
I’m movin right along here. I’d be lost without this place. Weird.
LL
Hens
I WOULD BE TOO! THREE ACRES??? Lots of room for the WIENERS!!
LOL….
I’d be REALLY happy to be trailer trash, Hens!! LOL
LL
Sociosibs –
I know your story was posted months ago and I don’t know what has happened to you since (I’ve just read your article this morning) BUT apart from agreeing with the advice given to you by peggy, my first impulse was to tell you to copy (verbatim) exactly what you wrote in the article here and post it (anonymously, just as it is here) to each and every one of your relatives and anyone else that you think might be in danger from this person.
Now I know there are people here who will probably think that’s bad advice and that you will place yourself in the line of fire but from what I just read, that’s where you already are. You are already the prime target – especially if your parent’s death WAS suspicious as you seem to indicate it might have been. I don;t think you have anything left to lose.
JMHO.
survivor86 –
“I still can’t believe all the red flags I ignored.”
No, none of us can. We all did it. You are in good company.
“I haven’t slept since last wed when I ended it. I wake up crying and having nightmares. I keep looking over my shoulder thinking he is going to show up at my house. I am having anxiety attacks and can’t get him out of my mind.”
PTSD my dear. Go to a doctor and get some meds and a referal for counselling – you are going to need both. Stay here and read everything you can and post when you need help, advice or reasssurance – you will get all of that (and it’s free!)
“I have been married to a sociopath before when I was 19 and then married an alcoholic and drug addict for 10 years.”
This is a fairly common pattern. Our personalities and our early life experiences set us up as perfect fodder for these monsters. We need to learn to do things differently. Get some decent therapy and stay here to round out your understanding of what has happened (just now and also in the past)
Above all, KNOW in your heart that you will be okay again one day. Time and patience and knowledge and support are what you need right now – concentrate on looking after YOU. We wil do what we can to hold your hand as you struggle with this. There are still dark days to come – but after that, you will be free. You will be yourself again. Everything will be alright.
“I have ordered a bunch of books to help me deal with all of this. ”
Great! Hope you’ve got “Without Conscience” – it’s one of the very best for helping you to process this kind of mess.
“…I am so glad I finally listened to my intuition and got out of his grasp”. ”
Good girl – this is where so many of us go wrong. We hear it but we “reason” it away or allow ourselves to be talked around. Now you need to STAY NO CONTACT.
silvermoon –
“…stories…that begin with “you know you’re a redneck if_____”
My best friend has a teeshirt with the caption, “You say Redneck like it’s a BAD thing…” LOL
LL –
What do you need to relocate? I worry about you drowning under a mudslide one day… (serious question)
ROFLOL…..OX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The way you describe things sometimes! ROFLOL!! GReat humor:ass deep to a tall elephant!! GREAT description of a hoarder!
LL
Aussie,
I know right? And it gets scarier by the day! We decided we’re going to hang here for awhile longer. My only stipulation is that if we wind up down the canyon that the office offers free hot coffee afterwards**sigh**
We’re under voluntary evacuation, but with “officials” and geologists monitoring everyday, we’re waiting to hear mandatory. It’s at that point that they would return our deposits, which for me was rather large, to move elsewhere 🙂
LL
Star remember when we were getting up a LF retreat and we got the “uniforms” which were hip boots with black and yellow bumble bee tu-tus? LOL and Matt and Henry and several of us were going to do a line dance, like a chorus line? LOL Gosh, saturday nights haven’t been the same since then! I miss Matt and his wicked sense of humor! Speaking of missing folks, wonder where Ms EB is?
BTW: everyone RIDES MY ARSE!!!! LOL
Henry, sweetie, I have an idea that your little piece of heaven is wonderfully beautiful. I don’t have the attachment to my place any more like I did before I realized that the PLACE isn’t what makes me happy….but having a “sense of place” a community that you belong to is important I know, it is just that mine was jerked out from under me pretty suddenly and though the dark cloud doesn’t hang over the place like it did there for a while, last night when I came in from town as I turned in off the gravel road into my drive way I turned off the head lights so that no one at the egg donor’s house if they had been looking could have seen me drive into my front yard. I didn’t really THINK about it before I did it, but afterward I did think about it. So I guess there is something going on inside me about not feeling totally “comfortable” here any more. I guess in the back of my mind is still the idea that he will get out of prison and I will have to move in 2-3 years, go find a place to park the RV and haul out of here. Take my little garden shed on a trailer, the dog pen and the lawn mower and put the parrot in the small cage in the RV, haul out and lock the gate behind me. But if I have to do that, then that’s what I do.
Hey Survivor86,
I’m so glad you only had 9 months with that guy…but unfortunately, it doesn’t take more than a few to really mess you up. I’ll tell my story tomorrow cause its late, but please hang in there! It sucks right now, but try and make an effort to keep thinking of other things atleast while you are trying to sleep. Melatonin (at the drugstore) helps if you cant get a scrip for Ambien (which is addictive so try the natural way first if you can…) Remember these guys are charmers…if he acted like an ass from the start and alerted your ‘red flag’ alarm you wouldn’t have been pulled in. Be kind to yourself. I had been through some losers before my spath so it is devastating to be alone and faced with how you could let it happen. You didn’t, he just hooked you. And you CAN and WILL be ok. Take care and hope you sleep with the angels tonight….
Oxy, I don’t remember the bumblebee costumes (LOL) but you must have gotten that idea from the Blind Melon video for “No Rain”. If you haven’t seen it, look for it on youtube. It’s a great song and a great video. I think a lot of us could really relate to it. I’m really sad for you that you don’t feel like you can totally put down roots there and don’t feel completely safe. I hope you can have that experience some day, whether it’s there or somewhere else.
LL, you are always welcome here. Most people find my tiny little place a peaceful sanctuary, and I love sharing it with others.
I think The Golden Skillet would be a fine name for a LF hotel. you do know about the skillet, right?
Seriously, I think I’m in this crisis because I need to make a big change in my life. I really want a cooperative type living situation with like-minded people. My vision involves a piece of land, separately living quarters in a large healing community. And it involves animals. If my vision fits with any of yours, well……you never know.
Star,
I don’t know where you are.
Um, yea, I’ve been boinked by the skillet more than once lol!
You do, Star. Isn’t going to Costa Rica though, a big change for you….or maybe will LEAD to a big change? I have a feeling you’re goign to learn a lot about yourself on your new adventure!
I understand what you’re saying about a healing community…that’s actually an interesting concept…..
Hmmm…..a healing community…. a place to go for those recovering from spathy relationshits, and those that LIVE there twenty four seven and run it…share it….and help others too….
Nice idea, Star!
LL