Editor’s note: Lovefraud received the following letter from the reader who posts as “SocioSibs.” She asks, “what would you do?”
What if you have reason to believe that someone you know is a serious danger to others? You’ve known this person almost all your life, grew up together in the same family.
Until recently, this person had a huge menagerie of animals housed on an acre of land, including a horse, 13 dogs, 5 cats, turkeys & peacocks and possibly a parrot or 2. Yet when she abandoned the property, all but 2 dogs she took with her disappeared in a span of just weeks.
Subsequent to this person’s latest move (one of 25 or so over a half-century), you found a couple of canine carcasses hidden behind a barn and miscellaneous skeletal remains strewn about the former property, which conjured a memory of walking in on this person during very early puberty as she was holding a live wild bird over the bathroom sink with a knife to decapitate it, exclaiming upon the surprise encounter that she couldn’t cure it so was putting the poor creature out of its misery.
Then you locate childhood friends and others from this person’s past, learning that one witnessed her strangling or drowning numerous animals, with that same explanation, since age 12. Another witness tells of repeated torture of animals, including punching & kicking her horse (one of 2 that a boyfriend bought her), savagely beating her dog daily, and crushing the skulls of kittens between her fingers and tossing them out of her car onto the ground, all during her mid-teen years.
You recall visions of her often hitting & kicking family pets, to the horror and pain of her parent and sibling, who tried but never could completely curtail it. And then you find a multitude of accounts from witnesses and public records of this person accusing multiple people of stalking her from age 13 through recent years, along with reports this person has made of others poisoning her plants & pets, some of whom died as a result, which stirs memories of childhood pets that died mysteriously, healthy pets whom this person hypothesized at the time must have been poisoned by neighbors or stalkers.
An ex-spouse reports that when divorce became imminent she cooked him a “special” meal, after which he became quite ill and came down with a severe rash all over his body, never experienced before or since. Concurrently this person was attempting to entice a former lover to relocate half-way across the country, unbeknownst to the would-be-again lover that this person was also accusing him of stalking and threatening to kill her due to his mad obsession.
This person has a now-young-adult offspring who has been plagued by mysterious illnesses since infancy, and ended up in hospital emergency rooms more often than most people who live to ripe old ages. One disease that was actually diagnosed was touted to some as the first case in the state, but she may have had access to the bacteria while a biological science student at a major university in the early 90s (for which someone else paid and from which she did not graduate), prior to the meticulous tracking these days of contagious pathogens. And you hear that her ex-spouse independently came to the same conclusion as you as to how your niece contracted it.
You recollect a tale she told of a male roommate brandishing a knife with the person’s then 10-year-old child present, and another when the child was 12 and sexually molested by someone’s 15-year-old son right in the next room.
You are aware of at least 2 occasions when Child Protective Services were called on this person, but in each case she wriggled out of charges. Then, when you contact CPS yourself to inquire, the intake worker on the other end can’t tell you what, if any, reports there may be that have not resulted in convictions. However, seeing it for himself on the computer screen, he urges you to call protective services in the state where this person’s child now resides, even asking you to hold on while he looks up the phone number for you and stresses that you speak with a supervisor there if you don’t get results during the initial call.
Indeed, other authorities whom you contact say they can’t do anything now that this person is no longer within their jurisdiction, while provoking guilt for your not having done something about her sooner. Some suggest you at least try to do something where she is now, recommending entities to contact, even if it’s too little too late.
This person has vilified anyone who could threaten to expose her, portrays herself as a persecuted, sweet, innocent victim of her targeted victims, has been abusing & killing animals since childhood but has come to be known as an “animal whisperer.” You have evidence that she’s been poisoning animals and possibly humans for years, has been lying & stealing and casting blame on others since early childhood, with a criminal record for larceny since at least turning 18 (juvenile records are sealed), and a felony arson record.
Then you find out that this person has fled to another state, welcomed with open arms by family into a home where a young relative resides, knowing that they implicitly trust and feel very sorry for her, for “all she’s been through.”
What if you, too, have defended, protected, and advocated for this person all through the years, because you, too, have been blinded by the bizarre stories she fabricates and sympathy she so ably elicits? And you staunchly held onto the lifelong belief that every person has a heart. But now you can no longer ignore that truly innocent people actually are, and always have been, in danger.
What if this person, knowing you could blow her cover, preemptively already got deep into the heads of the rest of your family and convinced them that you are crazy and evil and out to get her, even though there’s not a shred of substantiation of her claims, but she’s mastered the art of manipulation and has skillfully succeeded in obliterating your credibility & character?
What if you knew all this and so much more, and this person were still on the loose seriously harming others and getting away with it, invited and naively trusted to be alone around those most vulnerable, such as children and animals? What if, having been the most consistently present over this person’s lifetime, with nobody else recognizing the danger or mustering the courage or possessing comprehensive information, you find you’re probably the best candidate to piece together the puzzle so that others might see the whole picture, thereby alerting & enabling them to protect themselves, too? Would you speak up?
Now add that what got your investigative ball rolling was the death of the parent that resulted in the threat of losing your home. Because of a fluke when the parent helped save the sibling from losing her home several years ago as aftermath of a divorce, the deed ended up in the parent’s name, so that now both siblings own it 50-50 because there was no will. The sibling can file a legal claim by which she may possibly regain title to her house, but with the family turned against her, they will likely help this person fight the sibling in court, viewing this person as the tragic victim of a greedy sibling.
Suppose this person attempted to get a sizeable advance of her presumed inheritance, prior to creditors being paid, and prior to the estate administrator discovering that she destroyed what she had been deceiving the family as being the largest asset — the house she lived in that the parent bought her and made all the monthly mortgage payments on (in addition to paying most or all her other bills, even restitution & probation fees), so that now it’s worth less than the remaining note due on it. Third consecutive house that she irreparably demolished—the first being the one she burned down; as opposed to the sibling who originally purchased her own house, for the most part paid her own mortgage, whose house appreciated in value, and who certainly never caused destruction to anyone’s property.
Then it turned out that there will be no inheritance because this person depleted or destroyed all the parent’s financial resources already. The only asset left of any value is the sibling’s house (a small cottage with 50K equity in a low-middle income subdivision, compared to her 4-bedroom 2 bath on an acre that she ruined), while outstanding debts leave the entire estate at a deficit that can force a sale by creditors, debts that can be traced back primarily to this person. Despite these irrefutable facts, this person has convinced the family that the sibling is just trying to take everything, even though there is nothing to take. All the sibling wanted was to keep her own house that she bought herself 2 decades ago and has been inhabiting, maintaining & improving, and caring for ever since.
This all started as a pursuit of the sibling to rightfully keep her home, make it a fair fight, sibling vs. sibling, without the whole family against the one sibling. Now that so much devastating new evidence has since come to light, it has grown into a pursuit to enlighten family members so that they can protect themselves, including the sibling’s own life and that of her child, from this person.
At least one family member admonished that, under the circumstances, that makes you, the sibling, the worst candidate to speak up, condemnable for even considering it, no matter how much you’ve discovered that’s led you to acknowledge that this person is very dangerous and that people — including you and your child — are in harm’s way, because it only makes you appear to have a less than noble motive.
What, if anything, would you do?
Learn more: How to report your abuser’s crimes so the police take you seriously
Lovefraud originally posted this article on Oct. 27, 2010.
Caylin:
You are entirely right about the smear campaign. It is a venue that Socipaths (in my experience) always use (as well as BPD of which I most recently have experience).
It is so fascinating that all of these Sociopaths have the same (cookie-cutter) charactistics. Utterly amazing.
Caylin,
They do the same things to all of us in different degrees, depending on the depth of the spath illness.
They will tell you how beautiful you are, how much they love you then, WHAMO, try to get you sent to the nearest institution. Tell their friends that you are crazy, etc. I was always wondering why his friends would look at me like they pitied me, well he probably told them I am mentally ill. I fed into his fantasy by becoming depressed, also having my thyroid fly south made me feel foggy and wonder why I couldn’t get a grip.
The key to these people, don’t cry and show emotion, they feed off of it. They love it when we are weak. Also, do not send those postcards to the abuser. They have a way of getting us to feel sorry for them. Why the heck should we feel sorry for them? Are we trying to be malicious or just be rid of them? Mine starts the freaking pity play daily.
Why should I feel sorry for him if he was being inappropriate with our daughter? She hates him and he says poor me. He brought it on himself. He was so sad, my wife wants to divorce me and my daughter hates me. TOOO BAD, SOOO SAD. He did it all to himself so why should I pity him. He has lied, lied, lied and still looks at me with his puppy dog, feel sorry for me look. YUCK
I am so sorry that you met such an individual and you did not deserve what he did to you. There are decent individuals out there, we just need to be more discerning and get them out of our lives if they are toxic.
Most of us here have had bad role models that taught us a distorted version of ‘normal’. We no longer need to settle for mr. wrong, a loving person does not break anothers face, EVER! If he were to suddenly find God, I still would not trust him.
I disagree with OxDrover on the above statement.
It was WRONG to waste that stamp!
Hi All,
Smear campaign, boy am I ever getting one ! My ex spath is dragging my name in the mud with his kids from his first marriage, I am actually the wicked witch of the west ! Little do they realize that it was I who MADE him pay his child support every month while I was married him.
My smear campaign is also running rampant with my ex-inlaws who are also spaths, they hate me to death, I guess me and my family are everything that they cannot be, they hate each other, but yet, because my kids are with me, and want nothing to do with their father and grandparents, they think its me. Does not matter that my daughter (18) who had directly told them that they want NO CONTACT, they do not believe her, its always me who is making them say or do things. I can feel their anger even from miles away. I do not trust them, they are the grandparents who enabled their son to do what he is doing. All of a sudden they have taken an interest with the grandkids, and they could not give two hoots about them previously. Go figure. Its all about winning, how do we remain sane ? How do we get on with normal life and let these people go on with their drama, which they love ?
Dear Survivorlady,
It’s so good that your children can see how horrible the grandparents are. Sometimes, if they have too much influence, they can turn the kids away from you. It is terribly unfair when they play dirty and have no morals.
Spath husband said I ‘coached’ my 16 year old daughter into saying she was uncomfortable around him and that I gave her my books about sex addiction and that is why she doesn’t like him. What the heck? She doesn’t need to know that information, she calls it sexual harassment. And who the heck would ‘coach’ their kid to say those sorts of things? If he really felt that were true, he should have divorced me a long time ago. If I were really the nasty person he has made me out to be, why is he kissing my butt?
Yea, whatever. Yep, they just want to win and they can never admit they are wrong. Sounds like his family is messed up and the less you have contact with them, the better. It is necessary for piece of mind and surprising when we detach from them, we find out how sick they really are.
Dear Caylin,
You are so RIGHT, NC is the only way to survive them.
Why do they hate us? It is about CONTROL. They want, they need they demand CONTROL and if we threaten that control then they become ENRAGED.
Love and connectedness is impossible for them, but RAGE, anger and vengence, all are very possible for them.
Get away from this guy and stay away from him. NC. TOTAL NC.
BTW “physical violence” is not necessary for them to be a psychopath and they can “miss” one or two qualities and STILL BE A PSYCHOPATH, so ‘IF IT LOOKS LIKE A DUCK, QUACKS LIKE A DUCK, LAYS EGGS LIKE A DUCK….you better figure it is a duck!”
Dear PEGGY!!!!!
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Hey, GF, where you been!? Glad to see you back here!!!! ((((Hugs)))) Yeap, I agree with you about some BPDs being almost if not exactly like a psychopath, and just as dangerous as well. I think there is a lot of overlap there. There are “levels” of all different diagnoses though, so some are toxic and some are SUPER TOXIC and some are SERIAL KILLERS.
Glad to have you back!!!
Caylin, I think I know why he hate and detest us so much. They are insanely JEALOUS of us. They are attracted to the LIGHT in us, but cant manufacture their own light so they suck our light out of us.
Then when they have tortured and destroyed us,they discard us, and move on to the next source of Light, and start to suck THEM dry too.
Secretly the HATE LOATHE AND DESPISE THEMSELVES but they project this hatred onto us, as they cant face the truth about how sick they are.
Thats my take on these sick creatures, and they are all the same!
Mama Gemxx
geminigirl,
I don’t know if spaths are truly attracted to the light in us -I personally think that sociopaths (and/or psychopaths) are insane. They just do what they do, irregardless of the consequences. When I remember the h-spath’s outrageous lies (covering his butt for whatever the latest crisis was), he comes across to me as completely nuts. The man takes the time to make up some asinine story to get out of or avoid something that would make him uncomfortable. Their brains are wired differently, causing them to be wacky. I have reviewed some of my experiences (brought to me courtesy of the h-spath) ad-nauseum in my mind and have concluded that these folks are insane (though they can come across as seemingly “normal”).
Looking back over the span of 20 years, and most of them were quite good. I was married to my spath and was involved in working and bringing up my kids, that life took over….alot of red flags, but was too busy and in love to see them. Thought they were personality quirks, not everyone is perfect I thought, making excuses for him. After his mask fell, I think I rushed the ruin of the marriage, becasue as much as it hurted, I did not want, or could go on. While still living under the same roof, he used to sleep downstairs, I would lock my door, that is how much hate I sensed from him. I guess, that after almost 1 1/2 years since he left home, I have reflected, on my whole relationship for the past 20 years, and every day, I find out something that I never noticed before. I guess its my mind processing 20 years worth of data, and finding errors and analyzing the grey areas, I guess 20 years has alot of memories and I need to come to terms that they were an illusion, but I think about my great kids (whom I have full custody and they want no contact with the ex and grandparents) and I realize that those memories are what counts, that was not illusion, the good thing is that had I not married the spath, I would not have them….so that part is acceptable, not an illusion. The spath, was all smoke and mirrors, when I look back even his lovemaking was not a normal bonding. I envision him as a “hollow” person, walking, very tranparant, like a ghost, you can put your hand right through him, and there is nothing. I still hurt inside, dunno if I will ever heal, I carry on and I know that I will eventually release all the anger, I simply have no time in my life for him. I look at both my kids, and cannot help think how lucky I am.