Editor’s note: The following article refers to spiritual concepts. Please read Lovefraud’s statement on Spiritual Recovery.
By OxDrover
In the Bible the story of Adam and Eve living in the Garden of Eden, in perfect paradise, is a story familiar to most children who have gone to Bible school at one point or another in their lives. If you take that same story, though, and look at it through adult eyes, you can see that there is a great moral to this tale, whether you believe it as a “creation” story or not.
Before the “fall,” Adam and Eve had only dealt with a loving God/Creator who had given them a wonderful place to live in peace and plenty. They were naked and innocent in this paradise on earth. They were given an occupation of “dressing the garden” and only given one warning that they must not disobey, and that was to not eat from the tree of the “Knowledge of Good and Evil,” for if they did not heed this warning, they would die.
The original psychopath, Satan, in the disguise of a serpent, like all villains shows up on the scene. We know about psychopaths and we know that Satan personified this personality disorder, because he saw someone who was happy and prosperous, but naïve, and he wanted to bring about their downfall. Not for any gain or motive we can perceive on his own part, but simply to have someone else believe his lies and suffer for that belief. He wanted to enjoy the downfall of someone else. That was his “reward” for telling the lies to Eve, to get Eve to disregard the warning she had received from God ”¦ just as our psychopaths lie to us to get us to not heed the instinctive intuitive warnings we get when we catch them in a lie, or something doesn’t feel right.
How did Satan accomplish his task? The story tells us that Satan was “more subtle than any beast of the field.” ”¦ ”and he said unto the woman, ‘Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?'” Satan knew this was not true, but he was setting her up with a conversation starter he knew she would respond to.
The woman said, “We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden, but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said ”˜Ye shall not eat of it’”¦or ye shall surely die.”
The serpent said unto the woman, “Ye shall not surely die, for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and she shall be as gods, knowing Good and Evil.” Here the psychopath, as they all do, tells Eve that the warning from God is for God’s benefit, because God wants to “keep the best stuff” for himself and that if she will just not heed the warning not to eat of the forbidden fruit, she will be equal with God.
Here Satan is creating a need in this woman, and holding the hope of accomplishing that need in Eve. Before Satan’s lie to her, Eve wasn’t unhappy, and she had no desires that weren’t met. She didn’t even desire to be “as gods,” but now she has started to desire something that Satan appears to be offering her.
How many times have our psychopaths held out to us a “prize” that we start to desire? A desire that they have created a fantasy of, and lied to us that they know the way for us to achieve this desire, our heart’s desire. Is it a perfect soul mate? A perfect love? A perfect marriage? A perfect business arrangement? A perfect child? The perfect restoration of something we have lost? What was the desire in you that the psychopath created with their lies?
“And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her and he did eat.”
“And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked.”
Adam and Eve immediately knew that they had been had. They knew they were naked, and they did now know the difference between Good and Evil. They knew that they had been tricked, that Satan had done them in completely, and that there was no going back to naiveté. You can’t UN-ring a bell.
While Adam and Eve tried to find a way to hide themselves from God and the consequences of their disobedience and naiveté, Satan skipped off on his merry way, having accomplished what he desired, the destruction of human kind. The taking away of the innocence of humanity. The bringing of death to the world.
However, though Satan brought evil into the world of man, humanity also received the knowledge that will protect us in that fall from grace. We have the knowledge of Good and Evil. We can choose our path.
The psychopaths in our lives who have attacked us because we didn’t have a proper knowledge of their evil intentions when they started to destroy us for their own purposes, their own selfish games, have given us the same “fruit” that Eve in her naiveté ate, the wisdom of the knowledge of Good and Evil.
While Eve in the Bible story paid a stiff price for her knowledge by being cast from paradise into the world, we also have paid a stiff price for this knowledge, some of us in terms of money and property, all of us in terms of pain and emotional devastation. Just as Eve must have berated herself for being so naïve and stupid for doing something she had been told not to, we berate ourselves for being so naïve and stupid in ignoring the warnings we also generally had all along. Why did we not heed the warnings, just as Eve did not heed God’s warning not to eat the fruit?
Just as Eve, after the fall, had to learn to live in the real world, the world that is not paradise, that contains evil people, selfish people, even her own son, Cain, who killed her other son, Abel, we as former victims of the psychopath have to learn to live in the real world and to distinguish what is good from what is evil. We have to learn from our experience with our own personal version of Satan, and our own version of our fall from grace, to know what is truly important in life. To use this hard-won knowledge of Good and Evil to make us stronger and better people.
We are no longer naïve people who don’t know about red flags of warnings of psychopaths. We are no longer willing to trust others indiscriminately or lightly as Eve trusted the lying words of her own Satan. We are no longer willing to fail to listen to the instinctive cries of our own intuition about danger.
We have knowledge that we have gotten the hard way, and hard-won knowledge is a lesson that will stick to us forever. It is up to us to use this life’s lesson in Psychopath 101 for our own and others’ benefits.
Kewl
I think it is always going to be Gods way! Like a Gift , there eyes , minds , souls are opened to recieve it!
It’s very easy to get caught up in the worldly things and not be spiritual even if you have been brought up in the church and believe! And many many many say one thing and do another! LOVE JJ
Amen JJ, Amen.
I think that “religion” and “spirituality” are defiitely NOT the same thing. I see many people who have a “religion” and faithfully adhere to the commandments, but little spirituality about it. I know people with great sprituality and no “religion” per se.
I was raised in “church” but had no spirituality about it at all. I definitely BELIEVED, but couldn’t “connect” until recently. Mainly I think because of accepting my mother’s definitions of God and religion. Now, I have cast away HER ideas of those things, and formed my OWN. So I guess you could say that though I have been a believer as long as I can remember, I have been finally “born again” as far as the spiritual part of it all.
I am glad to SHARE my beliefs, but have no desire to cram them down anyone’s throat. Or to denigrate anyone becaue they don’t share my beliefs or my views on anything. I find great comfort in my spiritual beliefs and my religion, but I know that not everyone does, and that is fine for THEM. I never really felt any comfort from it before, but only condemnation, now I feel no condemnation, but support.
It’s been a 180 degree turn around for me. Without the “trials and tribulations” I’ve had for the past few years I would probably never have come to this point of peace with my spirituality or my comfort from my religion. So, like Southernman, I can see that there has been GOOD come out of this.
The Road is narrow
Indi: I can tell you looked at Southerman’s site. Awesome. Totally awesome.
Peace.
Indi science does not say that about the eye and your use of Pascals challenge is something I hear a lot and is probably the absolute worst reason to “believe”, not to mention the fact that you lose everything if you chose the wrong “god” 🙂
Since there is no forum section for LF I will post this here. This is a small explanation of my view on “God”. The words are not mine but come from a Rabbi and his words over time that I find I agree with and just paraphrase now:
For me, and I can only speak for myself, I see “God” in a much different light than some. I’ll try to explain my view in hopes it may be of help to you.
God is the Source and Substance of all that is. God manifests as and transcends all reality. God is not other than creation, nor is God limited to creation. (I do not believe in intelligent design, I believe the design itself is intelligent.)
Self. The individual is a manifestation of God. We are to God as rays of sunlight are to the sun. Sunlight is simply the sun manifest in time and space. It is not other than the sun nor is it all of the sun. You and I are rays of God. We are not all of God, nor are we other than God. This is what the Bible means when it says we are created in the image and likeness of God.
When you know who you are as the image and likeness of God you live from love with love. You embrace each moment with gratitude, and each being with justice and compassion. Living this way is heaven. Living any other way is hell.
When we are in spacious mind we are awake to God in, with, and as all reality; we identify with all life, and find ourselves embraced by and living from ahava rabba, infinite love. In spacious mind there is no Jew or Gentile, male or female, slave or free, saved or damned. There is only God manifest in infinite variety. In spacious mind we live freely, lovingly, fearlessly, with compassion and hospitality toward all we meet. This is heaven.
When we are in narrow mind we are locked in the prison of ego, and imagine ourselves to be separate from God and creation. We live in perpetual fear, and engage life without trust, love, and compassion. In narrow mind we divide and judge, calling some chosen or saved and others infidels or damned. In narrow mind differences, God’s infinite creativity, scare us, and we worship the idol of conformity. In narrow mind we imagine ourselves to be alone, afraid, and adrift. This is hell.
We move into and out of heaven and hell depending on our state of mind. The purpose of authentic spiritual practice is to open us to heaven and spacious mind. Too often, however, we worship at the altar of ego and end up in the hell of narrow mind. It has nothing to do with God rewarding or punishing us. It has everything to do with our willingness to see what is true.
I am to God as a wave to the ocean. Each wave is unique and distinct, yet all waves are nothing other than the ocean in which they arise. Each being is unique and distinct, and yet not other than God who is all that is.
God to me is, as the Bible says, “Ehyeh asher Ehyeh,” (Exodus 3:14) the I AM that is all being and becoming. God is the water than embraces both ocean and the wave. God is the nondual Reality that embraces and transcends the duality of absolute and relative, I and Thou, front and back, good and evil. There is nothing that is other than God. Nothing that is apart from God.
To me God is not a thing that can be just or unjust, good or evil. God is Reality, and Reality can be both just and unjust, both loving and cruel. But these are human concepts. Nature is neither good or evil, it is just what it is. We humans call things good and evil depending on whether or not they serve our interests. What I am saying is that when I see myself and all beings are part of the nondual Reality I call God, I see the wisdom of engaging life with love, compassion, empathy, and justice toward all beings.
Bloggert7165
Nothing that is apart from God?
No man come s to the Father except through Me , Jesus L.O.U.
The Bible teaches that There is Good and Evil !
Evil is not a part of God , Satan and all who follow him are apart from God ! Thats where Hell is , a place where you are seperated from God!
A mother who kills her two year old child , Does’nt report her missing for a month and Parties Like nothing happend ! This I see as apart from God !
You are given FreeWill by God ! You may choose to do Good or Evil ! However , You do not get to Choose the consequences of your Choice!
I am not trying to change your views or beliefs , God will do that for you! Through your life! LOVE JJ
I didn’t mean to get a theological discussion going here so much as to use the story of “the knowledge of good and evil” as an analogy of the psychopath’s way of warping our lives for no other reason that to inflict pain on the victims, many times without even any “gain” to them selves. (that we could see as gain) There MUST be something “gained” or they wouldn’t do it, but it isn’t something WE would enjoy but they obviously do.
By whatever method each of use “sees” “God,” or visualizes a “higher power,” or a univeral spirit, etc., it increases our spirituality and the meanings of our lives, I think. Dr. Viktor Frankl’s book, “Man’s search for meaning” which he wrote after his years in a Nazi camp, was very moving and helped me see that there is “worth” in our experiences, even if they are suffering at the hands of psychopaths. How each of us sees that worth or experiences it and/or uses it for their own growth, or to help others grow, to me is at least one of the meanings of life.
To me Love is everything. Love is God.
The thing that psychopaths seem to have in common is their ability to have us question and doubt the reality of love (God).
I think its important to keep ourselves open to experiencing love, if we don’t then the bad guys win.
I am an easy Target!
I believe every person who crosses My path was supose to be there!
I believed that If I cared enough , gave enough , never gave up! I could change Him!
This experience has’nt changed my beliefs , But has Added to them !
1. We have to be working for the same goal!
a relationship is mutual not onesided! comprimise not dominion!