A Lovefraud reader using the name Dawn H posted the following comment quite awhile ago. At the end of her story, she brings up important questions.
My ex and I grew up in the same small town. We were like Barbie and Ken”¦expected to marry and live happily ever after. I watched him grow from a very nice guy into a predator and a very evil person in just a few years. After our child was born he started a new wonderful job in a bank and quickly climbed the ladder to success. I put him through law school as he became distant and harsh and wouldn’t touch me. I found out he was bragging at work about secretaries’ children being his. One of his secretaries divorced her husband to sneak around with mine in sleazy motels and the whole time he was telling her that I carried a gun in my diaper bag, etc. I met and befriended her, she started fainting at work, they both got fired, and she moved away. He begged and cried and we did major counseling for a year and I dropped the divorce proceedings thinking he was well.
Over the next two or three years he was nice and took my calls at work, came home for supper, etc, but gradually grew distant and harsh again. I found out in ’04 that he had a 10-12 yr affair with another secretary from his new position as COO of a publicly traded banking company AND a woman in every port city from here to Beijing. He had been hiding his money all this time, so that when he was caught he would not have to share. He bought all his mistresses suits, jewelry, even paid for one’s house, while I had to pay utilities, my own food, my own insurance, car payment”¦everything from my teacher salary. He kept me literally broke while he was making almost half a million per yr and telling me we had no money because he was reinvesting it all in the company. If I wanted 200 for Christmas presents, he made me postdate a check for January, and he wouldn’t let go of his check until I let go of mine.
There was no intimacy for more than 15 yrs. He lied all day every day, but the strange thing was that he turned very dark. He would leave butcher knives out on the counter facing the stairs where I came down in the morning. I found out his mistress was the one who had been phone stalking me for 7 or 8 yrs, and their phone records were like 25 or 30 calls to each other every day, even though they worked side by side. At the same time he had many other young mistresses and kept them all ignorant of each other. After he was caught and we separated, he cried and became perfect all over again for a year counseling, then got caught at a sleazy motel with someone again.
I could tell that someone was breaking into my house while I was at the gym. He brought me Ultimate Woman vitamin pills with the seal broken and some missing! I found an empty Viagra box in his vanity drawer. This guy has 150 IQ. Someone was hacking into my bank records online, and I left tape recorders at the house to see what was going on there while I was out. On the phone from the house to women, he sounded like a dirty old man, talking naughty and naked and nasty. I wouldn’t have believed it was him. One day he would cry and hug the stuffing out of me apologizing, and the next day he was rude and hateful and couldn’t remember he had apologized. I knew my life was in danger and I had to change the locks etc. I had to tape record every conversation during separation and divorce proceedings, because he lied so much to attorneys, etc, that you couldn’t prove anything without recordings.
He had NO concern for our son’s feelings in any of this. The mistresses’ children grew up with him sneaking in through the fence to sleep with mommy, and the first one’s kids were calling him Daddy too. He found out this mistress aborted his child, and he doesn’t care. He told me one time during the proceedings “the girlfriend knows I do what I want and I get what I want, and she’s fine with that.” Children’s feelings are unimportant, but he is wining and dining our son now, like we’re in a contest ”¦ climbing the pyramids in Egypt ”¦ took him to the Great Wall of China ”¦ fly fishing in the Grand Canyon, etc. Bought a barge and stocks it with bongs and booze for my son’s friends, etc. No regard for the kids ”¦ it’s all about him and winning.
My interest in cases like this is, where do you draw the line? When do you bring in the attorneys and police and IRS? What about the children? If he’s been hiding money for years in other countries, are you just supposed to forget and forgive and move on? I’ve had the hardest time with that. God is so good to me, but when I start to recall all the craziness, I get shaky and lose sleep and I just can’t really go there anymore. I want to protect others from this victimization and I don’t want to be vindictive, but then again, I don’t want him hurting other young women. I would not doubt that he might be one of these trafficking guys. Did you know most of the WORLD’S trafficking is financed by middle-aged American businessmen? We need to wake up and do something quickly. This American businessman/ sociopath/ narcissist/ predator thing is getting out of hand.
Dawn H’s story is terrible. Most people would say the story is shocking, but that’s because most people are ignorant about sociopaths. All of us here at Lovefraud know that stories like Dawn’s are much more common than the uninitiated realize.
The man Dawn H described is clearly hurting many people—Dawn, her son, the bevy of mistresses, the mistresses’ kids, even American taxpayers, since the guy is hiding his money. He may even be complicit in the sordid the sex trade.
Whether our stories are as bad as Dawn’s or not, many of us ask ourselves the same questions that she asked at the end of her email: How do we respond?
We all have to find our own answers to the question. Following are the points and issues to consider. For the sake of convenience I am referring to the sociopaths as male, but they could be female as well.
Now vs. later
When we first realize what the sociopath was actually doing, that everything he told us was a lie, that we were exploited, our emotions are at a full boil. We are traumatized, disillusioned, furious, scared. We want to strike back. We want to tell the world that he is a liar. We wonder how we are going to survive. Our emotions rage back and forth between outrage and fear, worry and determination.
At this point, we need to prioritize. We need to figure out what we MUST do now, and what can wait, in fact, what MUST wait, until later.
Survival
The most important variable in deciding how to proceed is the possibility of violence. The best predictor of future violence is past violence. If the sociopath has been violent in the past—even if it wasn’t directed towards you—you must assume that he could be violent in the future, and you may be the target.
If you (and your children) are in physical danger, you need to do whatever will protect your safety. If the sociopath has committed crimes for which he is likely to be arrested and jailed, report them. But if his offenses are such that authorities are likely to regard them as a case of “he said-she said,” or he’s likely to get out on bail and come after you—well, it may be better not to poke the hornet’s nest.
Your first priority is survival. As long as you are alive, everything else can be addressed later.
Stability
Your second priority is stability. Many of us have been financially wiped out by the sociopaths. If you’re in this position, you need to take steps to insure your economic survival. If you’re married to the sociopath, and financially entangled, you need to figure out the best way to disengage that is healthiest for you in the long run.
In considering how far to go after the sociopath legally, here are questions to ask yourself:
- Does he have any assets? Does he have a job? Does he have documented income? If there is no money, there may be nothing to gain.
- Do you have proof of his money? If not, can you get it?
- Can you afford a legal battle? If not, perhaps you should just walk away.
- Can he afford a legal battle? Does he have a history of filing lawsuits? If he does, he’s likely to relish going to court, and will drag out the proceedings, costing you money.
- Do you have children with him? If yes, one of these two scenarios is likely: Either he will abandon his responsibilities and fail to pay child support, or he will maintain contact and use the children as pawns to torment you.
Your ultimate goal should be to get rid of the sociopath and move on with your life. Any financial or legal actions you take against him should support that goal.
Emotional recovery
An experience with a sociopath leaves us feeling like we’ve been through a meat grinder. Anger, disappointment, shame, guilt, fear, outrage, even numbness—we probably cycle through all of them.
It’s exhausting.
We need to find our peace of mind. For some of us, it may be the first time that we consciously pursue peace of mind. Many of us were filled with vulnerability and turmoil, which attracted the sociopaths in the first place.
In deciding how far to go after the sociopath, therefore, we must also consider our emotional recovery. Lovefraud’s standard advice for recovery from the sociopath is No Contact—not having any interaction at all with him. No conversations. No phone calls. No email. No in-person encounters.
Going after the sociopath may entail some kind of contact. If you go to court, you’ll have to deal with him. If you want to expose him on the Internet, you may need to monitor his Facebook page. This means, as we say on Lovefraud, you are “renting him space in your head.” Thinking about the sociopath is a form of contact.
On the other hand, going after him may be important to your emotional recovery. By doing it, you are not allowing him to walk all over you. Standing up to him may benefit your self-esteem, and allow you to recover your identity.
Only you know what you need.
Making the sociopath accountable
Personally, I think it’s important to do what you can to make the sociopath accountable for his destructive actions. BUT you may want to think carefully about WHEN and HOW you take action.
If you have evidence that the sociopath committed a crime, report him to the authorities. Maybe the crime you report isn’t prosecuted, but it could help establish his pattern of behavior if another person reports a crime.
If, like many Lovefraud readers, you don’t want the sociopath to do to someone else what he did to you, you may want to warn the next victim, or expose the sociopath. I’ve written previously on both of these topics:
Letters to Lovefraud: Should I warn the next victim?
Perhaps you can’t take action against the sociopath right away because you need to attend to your own safety, stability and recovery. But maybe, when you are stronger, you can do something to stop the exploitative behavior.
Sociopaths get away with their immoral, unethical and sometimes criminal behavior because people do not stand up to them. So I think that when we can do so safely, we should speak up and take action. Sociopaths will continue their destructive behavior until they are stopped.
No sweetie, a narcissist doesn’t wear a mask, he’s perfect already.
A psychopath needs to wear a mask because he KNOWS nobody would like him otherwise. They would run run run away if they saw his hideous visage.
Please help me. I need some advice. I was married to a sociopath for 17 very long years, who was clinically diagnoised. I have been away from my ex-spouse for 3 years (divorced) and I am continually being stalked. I have relocated 2x and the ex-spouse still manages to relocate me. This horrible person has no conscience, willfully violates restraining orders, lies in court, violates court orders and have brainwashed our children, and never own bad choices. Please, can someone reach out to me and give me some advise. I am afraid this ex-spouse may hurt me. Threats were said to opposing counsel that was shared with my counsel that if “*” can’t have me nobody will”. Threatened me that if I never filed for divorce, I would be homeless, penniless and never see our children again. All of this was done to me. Please can someone give me advice. I have had attorney’s who only took all of my money, and did nothing to represent me in court. My ex continued to get away with everything. I need peace, safety and have a life like everyone else.
My health is suffering and I am constantly looking over my shoulder. My ex-spouse has gotten into my bank account, email account and crashed the home computer 2x.
I have blocked out all of the known email addresses but the ex-spouse continues to send mail to me. Any ideas would be helpful.
First of all… I suggest to take your computer to someone who can clean it totally and secure it. Then change your email address, so that he doesn’t know who to mail anymore. (don’t use your name for the mail address). Use a different username and password (one he can never know) on accounts, so that he cannot breach anymore.
Don’t know how to give advice on the legal stuff, but at least I know you should be clearing the puter.
Thank you Darwinsmom. The computer needed to be replaced. I have a MAC now. I would like to get rid of my email address, but then I cannot communicate with my children. I was told that I need to keep that email address so that ex-spouse’s counsel can communicate with me.
What do I do about safety? I have in the hospital 1x already for domestic violence, and hit 2x, pushed down a flight of steps, locked in a room, and had a car door slammed on me. I believe there were drugs in my food just prior to me filing for divorce. My friends told me I could not even put a sentence together. I told an STD, and was raped. I had all of our money taken from me. I had to beg for money to pay for basic things. Ex-spouse is an executive with a very high income $250K+.
Any ideas would be appreciated.
Survivor – Ok, here’s a thought. Email ex-spouses counsel. Give him a new email address. Tell him this is confidential and that he is not to give it to ex on ANY account. It’s really easy to set up a new email – see Google.
Set up a new email account for your kids and impress upon them the need to keep your whereabouts totally private. I suggest that you only give the kids limited knowledge of your activities.
Sow a false seed and see if it gets back to you, then you might find out who’s leaking spath information.
I know you have ‘run’ a couple of times already – but keep running as far and as fast as you can until the danger is over.
He wants control over you. Don’t let him have it. Take back your power.
Be safe.
Hens (and other LF friends) I think you left me responses – sorry but I lost the thread.
Here’s a good one…….I was getting chatty with a guy the other night. So, my little ‘inner’ voice said ‘check him out’ and I did. Turns out he’s going out with my aunty!!! It sounds like the stuff soap stories are made of but it’s for real.
Wow! I’ve learned so much being on this site.
Survivor,
I’m sorry you are being stalked. Have you filed a restraining order or whatever it is called in your state against him?
Does he have visitation with your children?
What are your legal options (in relation to the above two answers)?
I suggest that you call a domestic violence shelter and ask for assistance. They ahve dealt with this kind of thing before and may have some suggestions for you.
SAFETY is the MOST IMPORTANT THING for both you and your children. I actually had to by a recreation vehicle and flee my home in the middle of the night secretly in order to get away from mine until they were arrested…I am back home now, and one of the three (my own son) psychopaths is still in prison and the other two are not dangerous to me now, but he still is.
So CAUTION, but not TERROR….terror makes you unable to think, but CAUTION helps you think about what is wise and best to do.
Also, I contacted a private investigator to find out how to “hide” out from anyone looking for me (by tracing public records, like utility connections etc) that would lead to my physical address. It only cost $225 for the consultation and he told me what any private investigator would be looking for, so when I ran I got a PO box for my mail (could have someone else pick it up or the post office will forward for $10 per week to various addresses if you are “traveling”) NO utilitiy hook up in my name. Drivers license registered to a different address than I actually live…my old home address…after all I wasn’t hiding from the FBI only from another private investigator or someone who knew how to skip trace someone.
There are articles here in book reviews about how to disappear if you are being stalked and helpful addresses in various states. California is one of the states that will actually help you disappear by secretly helping you change SS#, name etc. so check out what resources you can find….but I’d start with calling the DV shelter. Keep in mind that if you violate a visitation order the courts will be after you and if you were to choose to do this, you will need HELP from someone who is also willing to violate the law, that is part of what the problem with these family court issues is the courts don’t know what a psychopath is, even if they violate orders they keep getting more chances to be a “parent.” The rights of children to a peaceful and nurturing life is not respected, but the “rights” of a sperm or egg donor are.
Thank you all so very much. First, my children are 18 and 16…one in college the other a junior in HS. I haven’t seen them for 3 years. I have joint custody and joint decision-making. Ex has brainwashed them so badly, buys them everything, no accountability and no boundaries. They do whatever they want and have everything they desire.
I miss them desperately. I understand from friends the 18 year old was pushed down the steps, like me, called a BITCH to her face and yet she stays. I do not understand. I am afraid for her safety and more important afraid for her mental health —– she is so much like my ex. — a sociopath also and exhibits all the classic symptoms too.
My 16 year old is quiet and very smart. My heart breaks for both of them. I had to move in with my parents 22 hours away and the ex found me. I then moved again across the county and the ex found me again. I have a P.O. Box for all of my bills. I did not change the driver’s license yet — still from the prevous state.
Ex even travelled around the country and left the children when they were 15 and 13 alone for a week unsupervised. Yes, social services was called by a neighbor but nothing was done.
I do not have alot of money — just enough to survive.
I cannot afford a PI.
You ask what the ex wants: here it is: TO DESTROY ME. WANTS ME DEAD.
Ex got the primary residence $775K, the vacation home $350K, all of the money, furniture, bank account, stock options, dogs, etc. There is nothing else left. Ex wants me homeless or dead.
I told told by the ex, I would be destroyed if I ever left. Ex is on match.com so ladies be very careful. Very sly, charming, rich and self-employed.
Was fired from the last 3 jobs. When fired, got really angry and put a “back door” into the company’s computer system and said that they would learn a lesson and that the system could be crashed whenever ex decided to do so. Very sick person.
I cannot trust ex’s attorney as the lawyer’s have lied in court all the time. My children also cannot be trusted, they stole money and jewelry from me, got into my legal files, check register, and telephone log and told the ex everything about me. I had to sleep with my keys in my hand, and cell phone in my pillow case. My 18 year old hit me and pushed me down. My children desperately need help too.
I cannot give them my email address, they cannot be trusted either — at least not now.
Any other ideas please. I know this is not the typical situation. Ex is a text book sociopath and was diagnoised as such by a clinical MD, not psychologist. Ex has the tendency to be a malignant narcisistist. Read about it in Profile of a Sociopath. Ex will not kill me, ex will hire someone to do it instead.
I had restraining orders, but ex violated them. Ex left before I could do anything about it. When confronted by the police, police, in their report, stated they knew ex was lying to them.
Ex even had to go to domestic violence counselling and angry management. Ex told me that a lot was learned….. just how far ex could go before in trouble with the law again. So much for counselling. All used for the wrong reasons.
Ex has not broken into the house. My primary residence had to be de-bugged also.
Help please.
survivor,
it sounds to me like if your ex wanted you dead, you’d likely be dead by now. He has the resources. I think what he wants is drama. Don’t give him any. do not participate in his drama or your childrens’. He wants to push your buttons until you kill yourself, because that would be the ultimate drama.
Refuse to react or respond to anything he says or does. In each case, react 180 degrees the opposite of what he wants. If he says jump, you sit.
From what you are saying, you have lost all your possessions and your kids are not around.
If this is the case, why do you have an attorney and why are you going to court?
Dear Survivor,
I am so sorry that your kids are in the situation that they are, and that you are not able to get them the help that you feel they need. Right now you must concern your actions on your OWN SURVIVAL.
Not having to keep a kid in school, etc. then you can “disappear” and change your name, social security number etc.
There are several books on the market that will tell you how to do so. FOR NOW…since you do not have a DL that leads to your current address, is there a way you can get a place to live (rent a room in someone’s home or whatever it takes) that you don’t have utilities connected to your name….make sure that NO ONE outside of your parents if you are SURE you can trust them, knows where you are. That is VERY important that there be no human trail as well as no paper trail. If you can contact a DV shelter and hopefully they can help you “disappear” they problem comes with SS#s and that sort of thing. They are NOT supposed to be used to trace you but in FACT they sometimes ARE used that way if your X has the capability to hire a PI.
Dr. Sherry L. Meinberg’s books “TOXIC ATTENTION keeping safe from Stalkers, Abusers, and Intruders” is a great book, she was stalked by her two x husbands, both psychopaths, for 40 years (she holds the record for duration of stalking) and yet she survived. There are lists of great resources in the back of her book as well. Things you NEED TO KNOW. So get a copy of this book. Good luck and if I can be of help to you, you can e mail me directly at oxdrover1946 dot gmail dot com. God bless.