A Lovefraud reader using the name Dawn H posted the following comment quite awhile ago. At the end of her story, she brings up important questions.
My ex and I grew up in the same small town. We were like Barbie and Ken”¦expected to marry and live happily ever after. I watched him grow from a very nice guy into a predator and a very evil person in just a few years. After our child was born he started a new wonderful job in a bank and quickly climbed the ladder to success. I put him through law school as he became distant and harsh and wouldn’t touch me. I found out he was bragging at work about secretaries’ children being his. One of his secretaries divorced her husband to sneak around with mine in sleazy motels and the whole time he was telling her that I carried a gun in my diaper bag, etc. I met and befriended her, she started fainting at work, they both got fired, and she moved away. He begged and cried and we did major counseling for a year and I dropped the divorce proceedings thinking he was well.
Over the next two or three years he was nice and took my calls at work, came home for supper, etc, but gradually grew distant and harsh again. I found out in ’04 that he had a 10-12 yr affair with another secretary from his new position as COO of a publicly traded banking company AND a woman in every port city from here to Beijing. He had been hiding his money all this time, so that when he was caught he would not have to share. He bought all his mistresses suits, jewelry, even paid for one’s house, while I had to pay utilities, my own food, my own insurance, car payment”¦everything from my teacher salary. He kept me literally broke while he was making almost half a million per yr and telling me we had no money because he was reinvesting it all in the company. If I wanted 200 for Christmas presents, he made me postdate a check for January, and he wouldn’t let go of his check until I let go of mine.
There was no intimacy for more than 15 yrs. He lied all day every day, but the strange thing was that he turned very dark. He would leave butcher knives out on the counter facing the stairs where I came down in the morning. I found out his mistress was the one who had been phone stalking me for 7 or 8 yrs, and their phone records were like 25 or 30 calls to each other every day, even though they worked side by side. At the same time he had many other young mistresses and kept them all ignorant of each other. After he was caught and we separated, he cried and became perfect all over again for a year counseling, then got caught at a sleazy motel with someone again.
I could tell that someone was breaking into my house while I was at the gym. He brought me Ultimate Woman vitamin pills with the seal broken and some missing! I found an empty Viagra box in his vanity drawer. This guy has 150 IQ. Someone was hacking into my bank records online, and I left tape recorders at the house to see what was going on there while I was out. On the phone from the house to women, he sounded like a dirty old man, talking naughty and naked and nasty. I wouldn’t have believed it was him. One day he would cry and hug the stuffing out of me apologizing, and the next day he was rude and hateful and couldn’t remember he had apologized. I knew my life was in danger and I had to change the locks etc. I had to tape record every conversation during separation and divorce proceedings, because he lied so much to attorneys, etc, that you couldn’t prove anything without recordings.
He had NO concern for our son’s feelings in any of this. The mistresses’ children grew up with him sneaking in through the fence to sleep with mommy, and the first one’s kids were calling him Daddy too. He found out this mistress aborted his child, and he doesn’t care. He told me one time during the proceedings “the girlfriend knows I do what I want and I get what I want, and she’s fine with that.” Children’s feelings are unimportant, but he is wining and dining our son now, like we’re in a contest ”¦ climbing the pyramids in Egypt ”¦ took him to the Great Wall of China ”¦ fly fishing in the Grand Canyon, etc. Bought a barge and stocks it with bongs and booze for my son’s friends, etc. No regard for the kids ”¦ it’s all about him and winning.
My interest in cases like this is, where do you draw the line? When do you bring in the attorneys and police and IRS? What about the children? If he’s been hiding money for years in other countries, are you just supposed to forget and forgive and move on? I’ve had the hardest time with that. God is so good to me, but when I start to recall all the craziness, I get shaky and lose sleep and I just can’t really go there anymore. I want to protect others from this victimization and I don’t want to be vindictive, but then again, I don’t want him hurting other young women. I would not doubt that he might be one of these trafficking guys. Did you know most of the WORLD’S trafficking is financed by middle-aged American businessmen? We need to wake up and do something quickly. This American businessman/ sociopath/ narcissist/ predator thing is getting out of hand.
Dawn H’s story is terrible. Most people would say the story is shocking, but that’s because most people are ignorant about sociopaths. All of us here at Lovefraud know that stories like Dawn’s are much more common than the uninitiated realize.
The man Dawn H described is clearly hurting many people—Dawn, her son, the bevy of mistresses, the mistresses’ kids, even American taxpayers, since the guy is hiding his money. He may even be complicit in the sordid the sex trade.
Whether our stories are as bad as Dawn’s or not, many of us ask ourselves the same questions that she asked at the end of her email: How do we respond?
We all have to find our own answers to the question. Following are the points and issues to consider. For the sake of convenience I am referring to the sociopaths as male, but they could be female as well.
Now vs. later
When we first realize what the sociopath was actually doing, that everything he told us was a lie, that we were exploited, our emotions are at a full boil. We are traumatized, disillusioned, furious, scared. We want to strike back. We want to tell the world that he is a liar. We wonder how we are going to survive. Our emotions rage back and forth between outrage and fear, worry and determination.
At this point, we need to prioritize. We need to figure out what we MUST do now, and what can wait, in fact, what MUST wait, until later.
Survival
The most important variable in deciding how to proceed is the possibility of violence. The best predictor of future violence is past violence. If the sociopath has been violent in the past—even if it wasn’t directed towards you—you must assume that he could be violent in the future, and you may be the target.
If you (and your children) are in physical danger, you need to do whatever will protect your safety. If the sociopath has committed crimes for which he is likely to be arrested and jailed, report them. But if his offenses are such that authorities are likely to regard them as a case of “he said-she said,” or he’s likely to get out on bail and come after you—well, it may be better not to poke the hornet’s nest.
Your first priority is survival. As long as you are alive, everything else can be addressed later.
Stability
Your second priority is stability. Many of us have been financially wiped out by the sociopaths. If you’re in this position, you need to take steps to insure your economic survival. If you’re married to the sociopath, and financially entangled, you need to figure out the best way to disengage that is healthiest for you in the long run.
In considering how far to go after the sociopath legally, here are questions to ask yourself:
- Does he have any assets? Does he have a job? Does he have documented income? If there is no money, there may be nothing to gain.
- Do you have proof of his money? If not, can you get it?
- Can you afford a legal battle? If not, perhaps you should just walk away.
- Can he afford a legal battle? Does he have a history of filing lawsuits? If he does, he’s likely to relish going to court, and will drag out the proceedings, costing you money.
- Do you have children with him? If yes, one of these two scenarios is likely: Either he will abandon his responsibilities and fail to pay child support, or he will maintain contact and use the children as pawns to torment you.
Your ultimate goal should be to get rid of the sociopath and move on with your life. Any financial or legal actions you take against him should support that goal.
Emotional recovery
An experience with a sociopath leaves us feeling like we’ve been through a meat grinder. Anger, disappointment, shame, guilt, fear, outrage, even numbness—we probably cycle through all of them.
It’s exhausting.
We need to find our peace of mind. For some of us, it may be the first time that we consciously pursue peace of mind. Many of us were filled with vulnerability and turmoil, which attracted the sociopaths in the first place.
In deciding how far to go after the sociopath, therefore, we must also consider our emotional recovery. Lovefraud’s standard advice for recovery from the sociopath is No Contact—not having any interaction at all with him. No conversations. No phone calls. No email. No in-person encounters.
Going after the sociopath may entail some kind of contact. If you go to court, you’ll have to deal with him. If you want to expose him on the Internet, you may need to monitor his Facebook page. This means, as we say on Lovefraud, you are “renting him space in your head.” Thinking about the sociopath is a form of contact.
On the other hand, going after him may be important to your emotional recovery. By doing it, you are not allowing him to walk all over you. Standing up to him may benefit your self-esteem, and allow you to recover your identity.
Only you know what you need.
Making the sociopath accountable
Personally, I think it’s important to do what you can to make the sociopath accountable for his destructive actions. BUT you may want to think carefully about WHEN and HOW you take action.
If you have evidence that the sociopath committed a crime, report him to the authorities. Maybe the crime you report isn’t prosecuted, but it could help establish his pattern of behavior if another person reports a crime.
If, like many Lovefraud readers, you don’t want the sociopath to do to someone else what he did to you, you may want to warn the next victim, or expose the sociopath. I’ve written previously on both of these topics:
Letters to Lovefraud: Should I warn the next victim?
Perhaps you can’t take action against the sociopath right away because you need to attend to your own safety, stability and recovery. But maybe, when you are stronger, you can do something to stop the exploitative behavior.
Sociopaths get away with their immoral, unethical and sometimes criminal behavior because people do not stand up to them. So I think that when we can do so safely, we should speak up and take action. Sociopaths will continue their destructive behavior until they are stopped.
Yes, I am trying to understand what problem it is that we’re trying to solve. Glad to help, but need clarity.
I can’t imagine why he got everything- the house, the vacation home, etc and you only have “enough to live on”.
Perhaps we need to attack one thing at a time.
Survival for now.
Kids being turned against you later.
Legal issues. ?
You are absolutely correct and I can’t thank you enough for putting in writing.
If I hadn’t left when I did, my friends believe ex would have killed me. Children were at church camp and friends told me I needed to not be in the house with the ex or I would be “accidentally” dead.
As for the drugs, my head would fall into my food at dinner with all of my family present at the table. No one said anything, as I woke up and dragged myself up the stairs — not even my children said a word. I think my 18 year old was in on the whole thing with the ex.
18 year old would repeat how ex hates me and say the same things to me. This behavior went on for 3 years prior to me leaving the ex.
Yes, ex wants me dead, and that would be the absolute drama. THANK YOU FOR YOUR INSIGHT. All about drama and control.
I do not engage in the the emails, I read them and then delete.
The children are not well adjusted either.
Regarding why I have an attorney, I have to pay child support and have overpaid by $14,000 and want a reduction. I needed to get an attorney to get it reduced. I tried everything and need to go to court for that. Parents gave me the money.
I need to be removed from the mortgage obligations on the properties as was court ordered. Ex’s credit is trashed, I looked at Free Credit.com and saw ex’s spending $56K in credit card debt alone. I am certain he will eventually default on the mortgages and I will be left with the clean up, and my ruined credit.
3 mortgages — 2 on the primary residence; 1 on vacation home. Second mortgage of $200,000 all due to his spending.
I often wonder now, why ex never had a significant other. We were married and ex was 30. A little late for that type of thinking. Only had a short-term other who ex said called the “other” and “other” would not return the calls. After being involved with “other” for 6 mos. ex said doesn’t understand why the “other” would not talk to ex.
Ex is on Match.com. Be careful.
Any ideas.
Thank you for all so very much for all of your help.
I did not have very good attorney’s and I could not afford the best, like the ex. Ex did not comply with court orders, and still does not comply. Court ordered to pay me alimony, not happening, court ordered to remove me from mortgage obligations, not happening. All other kinds of issues. I lost the vacation home, as ex was ordered by pay my attorney fees, and did not, my attorney put a lien on the property. I could not sell it and ex then decided not to pay the alimony. I had to give the home back to ex or the home would have gone into foreclosure.
All of the furnishings were suppose to be distributed equally, but they were not. I got the furnishings from the vacation home 590SQ FT. Colorado Ski Area, not much. Ex got the prinmary residence 4700SQ FT.
I took the furnishings from the vacation home. The court then ordered that ex can refurnish the entire condo anyway ex wants and it will be deducted from the equity in the primary residence. How do you like that.
I am afraid of telling all of you the match.com account as there may be repercussions. I do not have a facebook or LinkedIN account so that he cannot find me or know anything about me.
Thank you for everything.
I never had any computer sights with information about me. Ex is a computer engineer and can get into anything — and did. He got into my bank accounts via internet banking. Proof from my credit union all the times ex accessed by account. Still do not know how ex got into the account, as I never had internet banking set up.
Ex also cashed checks drafted to both of us, and deposited into ex’s individual account. Got into my parents computer and crashed it, and my sister’s as well.
Very sick person.
Thank you for asking. Been very difficult the last 20 years. I am just so very grateful that I am no longer his victim. Reading these stories are so validating. At least I am not alone. Sadly, there are so many of them out there, hard to recongize.
What do they say it, what doesn’t kill you, will make you stronger. No one will ever take advantage of me every again. The antennas are truly up.
What is the story with you?
Why does your Mother stay with this monster?
Does she love the donor? She is afraid of leaving him? Or is she afraid of being alone? Or all of the above. She can and should get out. No one deserves that kind of treatment, no one.
I know how difficult and scary it was to leave, but I am out. I worry and pray every day and night for my daughters. I am sick over what I allowed to happen to me, and what continues to happen to my precious kids. I see so much of the very same personality characteristics in my 18 year old. I think there will be some very serious problems in the future.
Sadly, my ex’s father is just like him. Very abusive to his wife. Ex’s sister is a diva and controls the entire family and is equally abusive to her mother as is ex.
I think this behavior is learned and genetic.
Was your sperm donor diagnoised as a malignant narcissist?
I read all about that problem. My therapist from years’ ago, MD diagnoised my ex as a sociopath and told me to be concerned about my safety and be very careful, especially if things do not go well in court. Yes, you are correct that ex has the means, but will probably not do anything, would rather
continue the drama and control. If anything, ex will hire someone to do the job.
You are very fortunate to have family to take you in and teach you very important qualities. What a huge blessing. I am hoping your sisters have gotten help and are recovering. Good for you that you have married and have children. Keep working on the relationship with your wife. Marriage is very precious, work really hard on it, for the benefit of you and your wife and especially your children.
SURVIVOR AGAIN, PLEASE DO NOT E MAIL THAT PERSON, people should not just assume that someone on this blog is OKAY to communicate with off the blog or to let have your e mail address. There are “trolls” who come here from various websites that are for psychopaths. There should not be any personal e mail addresses listed here on the blog.
We may not see justice on this earth for all of the crimes of your dad and my ex. However, since I am a believer, God knows everything and there will be justice eventually for all of us.
I know God knows all and see all and justice will be served.
Good Night.
Survivor, please contact Donna at Lovefraud dot com or look into the LF resources guide for an attorney in your state or area.
I am one of the LoveFraud authors, my e mail contact address is posted on the blog under Joyce Alexander….so I did not post anything on the blog that isn’t already listed here. Donna’s e mail is also on there, as is Dr. Leedom’s etc. It is encouraged that if you want to contact another blogger off the blog, you contact Donna and ask her to forward your e mail to that person….that way BOTS cannot pick up someone’s e mail or trolls pick up victims through the blog.
It is especially important that new bloggers be aware that no blog is 100% safe and that there are problematic trolls who come through here and do their best to stir up problems on the blog or with individual bloggers.
It is usually a good idea too that questions and answers are posted here on the blog so that all can read and comment and benefit from the wisdom and advice not just one or two.
I would issue the same advice to people here on the blog that I would that were on any site or dating site…BE CAREFUL what information you give to someone you meet…on the internet or in real life either. I think we have all been trusting of others who did not deserve our trust or we wouldn’t be here on LF, so it is always a good idea to be CAUTIOUS.